Wednesday, 25 September 2013

A reminder

Reading on-line comments (you know I have a thing about this!) I frequently notice a dismissive attitude to Political Correctness. Following yet another PC outrage it's dismissed as 'silly', 'stupid', 'nonsensical' or some such.

It is no such thing.

PC is an utterly intolerant system of control that restricts not just actions, but also speech and even thoughts. It has been carefully developed and applied over the last half century by evil and ruthless people.  Its nearest non-western equivalent was in the Soviet Union, and it's by no means stretching the case to say that. At least in the USSR a sorrowful retraction could result in forgiveness and an eventual return to normal life. For the PC enforcers in the West such a retraction serves only to whet their appetite for more blood.

Don't dismiss it as nutty.  It's anything but.

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James said...

There is nothing silly or whimsical about this.

It's pure evil.

It isn't.--nastiestuncle

It is.

You are like Putin and want to harm gay kids.--nastiestuncle

You are like Putin too- looking gayer and gayer all the time.

Anonymous said...

Yes,but in the Soviet Union,readers were encouraged to write letters to the editors but only if they complained about individual,specific abuses of power.

Then the paper could 'campaign' to right these abuses,giving the punters the impression that they had some kind of voice.

General criticism of the system,of course was not tolerated.

Not much different to the west today,now that I think about it.

Minus the internet of course.

mr.a

James said...

Is being molested by a Rabbi part of the formula for creating the perfect Jew? Is it just a continuation of circumcision trauma?

Were all these Rabbis molested by their Rabbis?

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/Judaisms-Pedophilia-Begins-with-Rabbi-ben-Yohai.html

It isn't.--nastiestuncle

I'm surprised to see you back after the total pwning you have suffered lately.

James said...

Minus the internet of course.

The internet is totally flooded with misinformation and its very difficult to separate truth from fiction.

It isn't.--nastiestuncle

Yeah right. You still think WTC7's collapse was nothing special even though I have demonstrated conclusively that even explicitly controlled demolitions hardly ever look so neat and tidy. Dumbass.

Braveheart said...

PC is all the more powerful and noxious because most people have no awareness of its real intent.

Captain Logic said...

Yes, the PC thought - "crime" is not some silly nonsense, but rather is a deliberate, grinding, moral and morale-sapping deliberate attack on normal sensibilities.

Specifically, or at the very least especially, in the West.

Nastiest Uncle said...

Political correctness is good. It keeps people in check. - James.

You're just thinking that because you're quite a weakling.

I'm bitter because of all the times you have pwned me. - James.

I know.

But I have pwned you lots of time as well. - James.

That isn't possible. You're a weakling.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 22:40

"The internet is totally flooded with misinformation and its very difficult to separate truth from fiction."

It's difficult for you of course. Not for all of us.

"Yeah right. You still think WTC7's collapse was nothing special even though I have demonstrated conclusively that even explicitly controlled demolitions hardly ever look so neat and tidy. Dumbass."

That controlled demolitions sometimes go wrong means that the WTC7 was brought down by Jews. - James.

That's why you have trouble separating fact from fiction on the internet.

Anonymous said...

Someone's had their Jimmies rustled and are displaying great butthurts.

LOL!

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

PC is a religion. It is an evil, genocidal religion. It is the religion of white genocide.

Anonymous said...

“That's why you have trouble separating fact from fiction on the internet.”

“It's difficult for you of course. Not for all of us. You should do what I always do. When I need to separate fact from fiction I first seek the advice of a couple of niggaz on the interwebs.” – nastiestuncle

ROTFLOL!!!

Frank Galton

James said...

That controlled demolitions sometimes go wrong means that the WTC7 was brought down by Jews. - James.

You think I said that? Now who is having trouble with their discernment capabilities?

Shut up, you increasingly ridiculous spoiled brat.

James said...

It's difficult for you of course. Not for all of us.

There are things I know I can't fathom, people I know I can't tell if they are lying or not.

Only a fool thinks they can never be fooled.

Only a totally insane self-love expert thinks they can never be beaten. You are taking on the aspect of a clown lately nastiestuncle.

You can't defend the idea that WTC7 "just fell over because of fires" so you start making ridiculous accusations.

What a limp dick you are when exposed.

Admit it. You were wrong about WTC7. It does look like a CD. In fact it looks like a bloody good CD that anyone would be proud of.

You only recourse now is to say it looks too good to be a CD. Go on, try THAT!

James said...

Nastiestuncle, Crapfinder-General, Debunker in Chief, Lord of all Knowledge still hasn't answered any of my more tricky questions.

Now, why would that be?

Because he's a useless shit who actually knows less than the rest of us, and only exists to make fun of whoever admits that they don't know everything.

Because he's naïve enough to think that the propaganda he believes is THE TRUTH(tm) and the propaganda he doesn't believe is OBVIOUS BULLSHIT that only normal humans would ever believe.

Get your head out of the sand dimwit.

Uncle Nasty said...

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When and how coalburners go wrong ...

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/White+Widow+Kenyan+mall+attack+calm+quiet+British+girl+tops/8954514/story.html

How a calm, quiet British girl now tops the world's list of terrorism suspects

By Sam Marsden, The Daily Telegraph September 24, 2013

Samantha Lewthwaite was a shy 11-year-old schoolgirl growing up in the Home Counties when she first developed a crush on a Muslim boy.The boy, who was several years older, was apparently uninterested and so nothing came of it, but the brief summer holiday infatuation in Buckinghamshire perhaps foreshadowed her conversion to Islam, marriage to a suicide bomber and eventual emergence as one of the world’s most wanted terrorism suspects.

Lewthwaite, now 29, was at first portrayed as another victim of the July 7 London bombings when her 19-year-old husband, Germaine Lindsay, killed himself and 26 passengers on a Tube train near King’s Cross station in 2005.

However, seven years later she was dramatically identified as a suspected member of a terrorist cell that planned to attack the Kenyan port city of Mombasa. Her alleged involvement earned her the nickname the “White Widow”, a play on the practice of referring to female suicide bombers as “black widows”.

She has since been linked to other plots in East Africa, culminating in reports that she was involved in — and perhaps even led — the al-Qaida-linked assault on the Westgate shopping centre in Nairobi.

Lewthwaite’s former friends in the Buckinghamshire market town of Aylesbury, where she grew up, expressed shock and disbelief Tuesday that the quiet, “nice girl” they knew as a child could have carried out such a massacre.


You know how people say: "I blame the parents"? Well, I blame the parents.

Which one of them was guiding the child, when at the age of eleven, she developed a crush on a sand nigger? Or were they so fucking self-absorbed that neither of them even noticed?

If there was a license needed, or an exam to write before one could have children, whites would number about one third of what they do. Most of the excluded ones, I might add, being liberals.

The good news is that niggers would be about one billionth of their current numbers. We could run both of them over and no-one would notice.

Having said that however, I should point out that the original article is from the Canadian MSM, and, therefore has all the credibility of a chocolate kettle.

Judge for yourself.

UN
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Nastiest Uncle said...

About WTC7.

If it had been brought down by explosive charges, then why would they not admit it?
It would be quite reasonable and actually expected for them to place charges in there in order to try and control the fall rather than let it fall of its own accord. After all, they did pull other buildings that day. Pulling a building means attaching cables to girders near the roof then using plant machinery to pull the building over. But pulling is only suitable for buildings up to a particular number of floors (8, if memory serves).
They suspected that WTC7 was going to fall because they had heard the building creaking and part of it had already collapsed.
But because they did not know when it was going to fall, they decided to pull the firemen who were in there, out, and not to send in engineers to plant charges, because there was a risk to their safety since the building could have collapsed whilst the men were in there.

So why there has to be such a lot of trouble about it escapes me.



Why is the WTC7 conspiracy important?

For the usual reason: it tars other people with the same brush.
There are plenty of conspiracy theories out there held by different types and groups of people. For the most part I don't care who believes what, and I'm happy for groups who are against my interests to make themselves look stupid.
The problem with the WTC7 conspiracy crowd is that since many of them also claim to be anti-immigration people, they tar the rest of the anti-immigration people with the lunatic brush.
I've spoken with people before when I've told them that I'm anti-immigration and they've asked if I'm one of those loons who believes some stupid conspiracy theory or another.

So again, it's a problem of people not seeing the bigger picture. Believing in such crap as you do about WTC7 doesn't do you or the people any favours.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Uncle Nasty 02:42

"You know how people say: "I blame the parents"? Well, I blame the parents."

The article doesn't mention that she took the break-up of her parents' marriage badly and sought solace from Muslim neighbours who she thought had stronger family ties. A moot point now, but I wonder if she would have converted to Islam had her family stayed intact.

"Which one of them was guiding the child, when at the age of eleven, she developed a crush on a sand nigger?"

People cannot be told who to have a crush on. People develop a crush on whoever they fancy. Parents cannot control who their kids fancy.

"Or were they so fucking self-absorbed that neither of them even noticed?"

Yeah, like parents know everything which goes on in their child's head. Kids of her age don't usually tell their parents that they fancy someone. It's something they keep quiet about.

"If there was a license needed, or an exam to write before one could have children, whites would number about one third of what they do. Most of the excluded ones, I might add, being liberals."

I agree. And also, national socialists should not have kids by the same logic.

"The good news is that niggers would be about one billionth of their current numbers. We could run both of them over and no-one would notice."

Niggers have the right to exist, my nigger, but just in Africa. What they get up to there is their own business.

"Having said that however, I should point out that the original article is from the Canadian MSM, and, therefore has all the credibility of a chocolate kettle."

Regardless of what any newspaper says, whatever needs and attractions that the girl had and has are better suited by her conversion to Islam, or so she thinks. Islam exists and there will always be people who will convert to it.

"Judge for yourself."

You're telling a bunch of people who think that WTC7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition just because it fell down in the direction which gravity was pulling it, to judge for themselves.
Probably better if it's spelt out to them, since their opinions rub off on all of us.

Nastiest Uncle said...

Why don't you answer all my questions. Waaah. - James.

Because I usually just scan your comments to see if there are any amusing bits when you are imagining to be me. So I miss most of your other stuff because it's usually just random bullshit that I'm not interested in.

Listen to me. Me, me, me, me, me. Or I'll scream and scream until I am sick. Then I will poo myself. - James.

Calm down my nigger. You can just pretend to be me and answer yourself, like Norman Bates did with his mother.

I'll kill myself. They you'll all be sorry. - James.

Remember: it's down the road, not across the street.

Gem Junior said...

This Nastiest Uncle and James thing is getting ridiculous. Nastiest Uncle: No it isn't James: Oh yes it is totally getting ridiculous and fucking boring too. Would you cut the shit out? It's really tiresome and ruining the site.

James said...

NU puked:

If it had been brought down by explosive charges, then why would they not admit it?


Have you not been paying attention? We are accusing them of lying about it. What a dumb question even for you. It doesn't even read like a joke.


It would be quite reasonable and actually expected for them to place charges in there in order to try and control the fall rather than let it fall of its own accord.


No. That takes days to set up, and no one would try that when the building is on fire. (Safety first) The charges would be pre-set if they were there at all. Are you stupid or something? Who would go in there to set charges? Robots? Also, in case the fact escaped your eminence's attention, CD buildings are severely weakened beforehand with saws and jackhammers so that the explosives will be effective. Thermite could do that too if it was installed throughout the building. It takes a few weeks to setup and nobody except you would go in there to do that while the building is on fire. Have you just had a brain transplant?


After all, they did pull other buildings that day. Pulling a building means attaching cables to girders near the roof then using plant machinery to pull the building over. But pulling is only suitable for buildings up to a particular number of floors (8, if memory serves).


Not applicable to this scenario. Why even mention it? More of your standard obfuscation. Sorry its not relevant or even worth mentioning here.


They suspected that WTC7 was going to fall because they had heard the building creaking and part of it had already collapsed.


You believe this yet you don't believe all the reports of explosions going off from firemen? I thought you knew the difference between propaganda and fact. Why do you give more credence to claims of creaking noises and none to evidence of a CD?


But because they did not know when it was going to fall, they decided to pull the firemen who were in there, out, and not to send in engineers to plant charges, because there was a risk to their safety since the building could have collapsed whilst the men were in there.


Whatever. You have zero evidence that they "decided" anything. All you can do is assign motives or decisions to a sequence of events. i.e. they pulled the firemen out because the building was going to collapse. That provides no evidence either way of its exact reason for collapsing, does it?

I note you have been exceedingly polite in this current exchange, much more than your terminal personality disorder normally allows. Is that because I have proven what a total shit you are in front of everyone here, and you know it?

I still hate your guts, just like everyone else does. You always wait until someone's guard is down and then go all shitty again when you think you can get away with it.

How does that make you feel?

Feelings are just electrochemical responses to imagined stimuli and are for pussies and religious idiot types.--nastiestuncle

Do the world a favour and go find a brain doctor, ASAP!

You have been PWNED big time. Don't worry, it had to happen eventually even to a mega mind super genius like yourself.

Now, send me some insults and explain how there is nothing suspicious about WTC7's awesome collapse again. One more time ought to do it.

James said...


For the usual reason: it tars other people with the same brush.
There are plenty of conspiracy theories out there held by different types and groups of people. For the most part I don't care who believes what, and I'm happy for groups who are against my interests to make themselves look stupid.
The problem with the WTC7 conspiracy crowd is that since many of them also claim to be anti-immigration people, they tar the rest of the anti-immigration people with the lunatic brush.
I've spoken with people before when I've told them that I'm anti-immigration and they've asked if I'm one of those loons who believes some stupid conspiracy theory or another.


Oh I spoke too soon. I missed that bit.

Prove it then. Prove WTC7 wasn't a CD job. You can't, no matter how many times you claim you can.

James said...

OK nastiestuncle, I'm prepared to forget WTC7 since as you say it doesn't really matter.

What facts, pray tell, are the facts that we can use to fight immigration then?

Give us JUST ONE!

That should be easy enough. Just one fact that will get the public t embrace the cause.

I'm still waiting. Come on. I've asked for this before, but you are full of shit. You never answer any of my questions if you think you might be wrong.

You might think you are the vanguard of white survival, but you are just as useless as the rest of us really.

James said...

OK, ignore all that. 9/11 is just a distraction anyway.


What's the plan to save the white race?

James said...

People develop a crush on whoever they fancy.

Translation:
People fancy whoever they fancy.

Another profound insight from the genius.

Anonymous said...

"The good news is that niggers would be about one billionth of their current numbers. We could run both of them over and no-one would notice."

I agree. And also, national socialists should not have kids by the same logic. Only Jewish nationalists should be allowed to have kids – nastiestuncle

Frank Galton

James said...

You're telling a bunch of people who think that WTC7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition just because it fell down in the direction which gravity was pulling it, to judge for themselves.

Funny, I've never seen a tree fall over in the direction gravity is pulling it either.

Tell us how we don't understand trees nastiestuncle.

Anonymous said...

“Niggers have the right to exist, my nigger, but just in Africa.” – nastiestuncle

Sounds just like a “national socialist type”.

And Jews have the right to exist, but only in Israel?

You can just hear the kvetching (from the “usual suspects”) from the Catskills to Golders Green.

Frank Galton

James said...

nastiestuncle simulated:
Listen to me. Me, me, me, me, me. Or I'll scream and scream until I am sick. Then I will poo myself. - James.

Don't listen to him. listen to me, me, me, me, me. I'm the only one who knows how to save the white race, but I won't tell you guise because you all suck and are the reason that the white race is in trouble. However, I think if I keep telling you guise how stupid you are, then together we can save the white race somehow.--nastiestuncle

We are so grateful. Tell us how we can do it, how we can save the white race.

James said...

Tell us how we can do it, how we can save the white race.

Funny, it's the only question nastiestuncle never answers.

Yes I did, I said the plan to save the white race is "More Niggers".--nastiestuncle

Sorry, I forgot. Right you are. Tell us how that will work, and how we can make it happen then.

Anonymous said...

James said: “I note you have been exceedingly polite in this current exchange, much more than your terminal personality disorder normally allows. Is that because I have proven what a total shit you are in front of everyone here, and you know it?

I still hate your guts, just like everyone else does. You always wait until someone's guard is down and then go all shitty again when you think you can get away with it.”

James,

“They dig a pit for others then fall into it themselves without being pushed. And when they are in it they shriek for help from the same people for whom they dug the pit.

Then, when they are rescued, they begin immediately to dig another.” – Donald S. Day

Frank Galton

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 03:56

"We are accusing them of lying about it."

But why lie? Bringing down damaged buildings with explosives is quite reasonable.

"That [planting demolition charges] takes days to set up, and no one would try that when the building is on fire."

Which is a good enough reason to believe that it was not brought down by explosives.

"Not applicable to this scenario. Why even mention it?"

Because it shows that they were willing to destroy buildings on the fly as needs be.

"You believe this yet you don't believe all the reports of explosions going off from firemen?"

In the UK the other week, there was a large car crash involving a hundred or more vehicles. A witness described the event as being like a nuclear war. I can confirm however, that a nuclear war did not occur in the UK on that day, contrary to this witness' statement of events.
BUT IT MUST HAVE BEEN A NUCLEAR WAR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT A WITNESS DESCRIBED IT AS! - James.

I do indeed believe that firemen heard explosions and also what they thought were or described as explosions. Explosions from a burning building? Tell me it cannot be true! :)
Causes of explosion sounds:

Each floor had about an acre of 3" - 4 " concrete flooring. The sound of that plus office furniture and equipment collapsing on an office below would make a very loud boom.
Steel snapping under tension would make a very loud boom.
Large transformers exploding in the building would make a very loud boom.
Large oil filled transformers exploding from the fire in WTC 7 could account for explosions heard in the building before collapsing.
Many of the people who said they heard explosions also said they realized it was the building collapsing causing the sound.
Even bodies hitting the ground sounded like explosions to some people.
Some say "It was like" before saying what they heard.
People generally try to describe something hard to describe by saying it's like something most people know. Like the sound of a hurricane is often described as a freight train by survivors.
You would expect a few people who are under attack by terrorists to think a loud boom is an explosive going off.

Nastiest Uncle said...

"You have zero evidence that they "decided" anything."

Oh dear. This isn't going very well for you :)

1.Silverstein's Quote: "I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
This is Silverstein saying that he suggested to the fireman in charge to pull his men out.

2. Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified: "In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."

3. And here it is corroborated: "They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - NYFD Firefighter Richard Banaciski

"I note you have been exceedingly polite in this current exchange, much more than your terminal personality disorder normally allows. Is that because I have proven what a total shit you are in front of everyone here, and you know it?"

No, it's because my post was not addressed to you. You fucking idiot.

"I still hate your guts"

Of course you do. I pretty much disprove everything your little mind believes in and I insult you whilst I am doing it. And I make you look stoopid here, but only so you don't have to look stoopid in real life. So I'm doing you a favour really but you're an ungrateful little shit.

"just like everyone else does."

Only the butthurted ones who are in this for the sexual thrill, because I interfere enormously in their wanking.

"You always wait until someone's guard is down and then go all shitty again when you think you can get away with it."

No I don't. - Nastiest Uncle.

"How does that make you feel?"

It would feel like an Anglo Saxon warrior who, upon finding a white woman being molested by a gang of niggers, smashes the niggers' skulls, comforts the lady then cooks her a bacon sarnie and pours her a cup of tea until her family turn up to take her home.

"Do the world a favour and go find a brain doctor, ASAP!"

I have no need.

"You have been PWNED big time."

I've not been pwned once on this site. I don't think it's possible. I'm immune to your efforts. You guise, with a few exceptions, are national socialists and their hangers-on. Such people couldn't pwn an asthmatic three-legged shrew whilst he was carrying a particularly heavy relative across a fast flowing river.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 03:56

"Prove it then. Prove WTC7 wasn't a CD job. You can't, no matter how many times you claim you can."

No one can prove something didn't happen, any more than they can prove that you weren't conceived by anal sex.

The whole point is that there is no reason to think that it did happen.

Can you prove that you weren't conceived by anal sex? No, you can't. So by your logic then there's every reason to think that you were.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 03:59

Good lord, my nigger. Discussing such things with you would be an exercise in futility.

Chuck Hammer said...

Nastiest Uncle
It would be quite reasonable and actually expected for them to place charges in there in order to try and control the fall rather than let it fall of its own accord. After all, they did pull other buildings that day. Pulling a building means attaching cables to girders near the roof then using plant machinery to pull the building over. But pulling is only suitable for buildings up to a particular number of floors (8, if memory serves).
They suspected that WTC7 was going to fall because they had heard the building creaking and part of it had already collapsed.
But because they did not know when it was going to fall, they decided to pull the firemen who were in there, out, and not to send in engineers to plant charges, because there was a risk to their safety since the building could have collapsed whilst the men were in there.


Well, I didn't expect that. NU licking the windows on the short bus.

You should stick to snark because you've just revealed yourself to be a total fucking idiot. My bad, I thought you were smart, turns out you're just a narcissistic Dunning-Kruger type.

You dumb fuck..."engineers with charges"..."pulling" buildings with cables. Are you out of your mind? Nothing like that would have been remotely possible on 9/11.

Just stick to your ludicrous "one failed column caused the entire building to immediately collapse" theory. That way you won't hurt yourself.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 04:03

A person cannot force himself to fancy a particular person any more than they can force himself to fall in love with a particular person.

Two years ago I fell in love with a woman who was not a suitable candidate for marriage or for being the mother of any of my future children, but still I fell in love with her. I just fancied her rotten I suppose. The illusive love at first sight.
Not a single thing I or anyone else could do could change anything about the situation. No amount of TV would have stopped me loving her, not even the kind of TV which makes the friends and family members of national socialists turn gay and fuck niggers.

James said...

@James 03:59

Good lord, my nigger. Discussing such things with you would be an exercise in futility.


Nastiestuncle standard dodge method 5.

Nastiest Uncle said...

I agree. And also, national socialists should not have kids by the same logic. Only Jewish nationalists should be allowed to have kids, but only so I can spunk about it. – Frank Galton.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 04:05

"Funny, I've never seen a tree fall over in the direction gravity is pulling it either.

Tell us how we don't understand trees nastiestuncle."

Trees are rigid objects which tend not to crumble and come apart like concrete and steel girders, so they fall over to the side. It's also possible for buildings to fall over as well, but depends on their rigidity and how they are demolished.

D'uh.

James said...

A person cannot force himself to fancy a particular person any more than they can force himself to fall in love with a particular person.

Why are you telling me this?

I pointed out your circular logic, your tautology. You said "People develop a crush on whoever they fancy.", which is a fine example of redundancy. I didn't disagree with it since it is obviously true. Circular logic like this always is - that's why it's called circular logic.

This is not the issue in this regard though. The issue is whether someone will act on these affections because they do not care about their race. That is the issue.

There was a time when I would have. There was a time when I didn't care about the white race. Now I do, so if I fancy someone - and let's be realistic, if you live in a bit city you fancy about 500 people a day- that doesn't necessarily mean I will even so much as talk to them.

When a choice is to be made - and choices are always made in love- then the TV influences these choices, peer pressure influences these choices.

100 years ago the father would say "Over my dead body". Now, because of the TV and other modern social pressures, he will try to pretend he doesn't care that his daughter is marrying a black and might do nothing about it. Then he ends up as the proud grandfather of a little mulatto kid after the often inevitable breakup.

That's what we are talking about. You on the other hand like to imagine that other people understand nothing.

As everyone here knows, but you don't yet, you are a total dickhead.

James said...

Trees are rigid objects which tend not to crumble and come apart like concrete and steel girders, so they fall over to the side. It's also possible for buildings to fall over as well, but depends on their rigidity and how they are demolished.

I understand that, and that is why I looked at lots of vids of CDs to compare.

Buildings sometimes ROLL DOWN THE STREET if the CD goes wrong.

However, they NEVER fall apart like a wet sponge cake as WTC7 did unless the CD was done by experts.

If all the damage was on the lower floor of building 7, then why would the collapse be so nice?

You can't even bring yourself to even admit that the collapse LOOKS LIKE a CD?

It does look like a CD doesn't it?

Not that I haven't even argued that it is a CD, just that it looks like it could have been one.

Buildings don't just fall to pieces like that. They are more rigid than that.

Watch the videos, they just don't do that.

Anonymous said...

Nastiest calls people "national sociaist" for one reason and one reason ONLY.

He calls them that because they're white.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 04:02

"What's the plan to save the white race?"

Well, my nigger. There wouldn't be much point in discussing it here. The usual suspects the national socialists and their type have fucked up nationalist politics for the last 40 years and have been incapable of learning from their mistakes. Their CV is not impressive.

So best leave things for people who aren't stupid and actually want to save the countries and people. Such people do exist though, just not many of them. Maybe not enough of them. Maybe nature has selected us for extinction after all. We'll see.

James said...

Note that I admit that I haven't proved that WTC7 was a CD.

Can NU admit that he hasn't proved that it wasn't?

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Anonymous 04:15

"And Jews have the right to exist, but only in Israel?"

Well my nigger. I would prefer that most Jews did exist in Israel (including Sinai, West Bank and Gaza Strip to give them some room and since they conquered those areas), but since quite a few of them are talented types and create jobs and new technology and other sheeit, I'm ok with some of them living in my country as long as they behave themselves for the most part.

James said...

Well, my nigger. There wouldn't be much point in discussing it here. The usual suspects the national socialists and their type have fucked up nationalist politics for the last 40 years and have been incapable of learning from their mistakes. Their CV is not impressive.

So best leave things for people who aren't stupid and actually want to save the countries and people. Such people do exist though, just not many of them. Maybe not enough of them. Maybe nature has selected us for extinction after all. We'll see.


So why waste your time here then being a total asshole? What's the point of that?

I agree that the WN cause is a load of shite that does more harm than good, but no one else has a plan that would work. Jews actually promote Nazi BS for that reason.

Jared Taylor does good work though. Do you agree with that?

However, Jarod Taylor gets called a Nazi anyway. It's hard not to be called a Nazi. You'd get called a Nazi too.

So, how can this problem be solved?

Nastiest Uncle said...

Mea culpa, I have seen the light. I plea the forgiveness of white christian men on this blog, I have been pwned, I nurse butthurts, deep throat hurts, and hurts in general.

I admit I know nothing about buildings and refuse to admit that WTC 7 was a CD, my mind just cannot fathom how deep the rabibit hole really goes.

I took James advice and visited a psychiatrist, and they diagnosed schizo ascociative disorders, the psychiatrist a Dr shlomo, said there were 2 cures for my condition, the expensive one, which would involve expensive medication for the rest of my life, or a much more pleasurable solution, only taking 15mins, I told him the 2nd option would be better due to my financial constraints, that's when I heard the dead bolts fire in the door, wrist restraints, magically swung over my wrist from under the arm rest of the chair I was in, and ankle restraints too, then the whole chair, moved, and put my over his desk, and the seat moved away, from my nether regions.

That's when Dr shlomo got a crazed twinkle in his eyes, the last thing I remember is Dr Shlomon sliding his pants down, and a blast of some mysterious gas blasted up my nose, coming from a bust of eibstein he had on his desk, my inherited collective memory, made me see, a sign that said arbeit macht frei.

I woke up on the chaise longe, with Dr shlomo comfortably seated in a leather wing back chair

I feel so violated, and foolish, now realising everything you said was correct.

But being the glass half filled type of bloke that I am, Dr Shlomo was correct, he did give me enlightenment, his good friend Sai Baba, said that this approach was prefered for especially reluctant subjects, who would never stand a chance of enlightement thru traditional meditative avenues, Dr Shlomo said, the universe didn't have the time required to achieve enlightenment thru traditional methods, so he decided to use the Sai Baba technique, and he said, having smooth non goyim buttocks, helped in the decision.

So friend, can you admit a new convert into your midst, I promise not to be cloyingly annoying.

I have seen the light

James said...

Well my nigger. I would prefer that most Jews did exist in Israel (including Sinai, West Bank and Gaza Strip to give them some room and since they conquered those areas), but since quite a few of them are talented types and create jobs and new technology and other sheeit, I'm ok with some of them living in my country as long as they behave themselves for the most part.

Fair enough, but still we need to defend ourselves against the Jews that want the white race gone, or are you still claiming that such don't exist?

Anonymous said...

Two years ago I fell in love with a Russian man who was not a suitable candidate for marriage or for being the father of any of my future adopted children, but still I fell in love with him. I just fancied him rotten I suppose. The illusive bum-love at first sight. – nastiestuncle

Frank Galton

James said...

Susan Sonntag said women need to be freed from men.

She also said the white race is the cancer of history.

Could she be a Jew who is jealous of white achievements, the way we are supposedly jealous of Jews now?

Or could she just hate white people, half of whom are the women she pretending to defend?

Personally, I think she is evidence that feminism was designed to destroy the white race. Pretty simple when you look into it. After all, why else would Ms. Sonntag mix the two concepts together like she did?

James said...

RT is Putin's mouth piece.

I am Putin's codpiece. I wanted to prove to him how good gayness is. Now he goes on RT with his shirt off all the time.--nastiestuncle

So he looks gay, but wants to bash gays up?

Crazy.--nastiesuncle

I thought you knew all about Putin?

James said...

So Nastiestuncle, since Susan Sonntag hated the white race (she called us cancer), and was a feminist pretending to fight for White women's rights, in your opinion was she using feminism as a weapon to destroy the white race or was she just an idiot?

James said...

Maybe she was just trying to save the female half of the White race, but still thought the white race was cool and deserved to survive?

Is that it?

I feminism a non-event? Does it not turn anyone into a man-hating lesbian?

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 04:33

"Tell us how we can do it, how we can save the white race."

Well my nigger. It would be pointless to just give it to you, because you'd fuck it up.

But I can say that it's entirely possible and not as difficult as some would believe.

The first stages of the process have been proven to work on a small scale and could be rolled out nationally and to each country individually and are reasonably simple to the point that I'm surprised that I haven't heard of those ideas before. I can see why the usual suspect national socialists wouldn't like the process to be implemented but since their fucking up of nationalist politics for 40 years was easily avoidable I would question their motives anyway, and wouldn't want them involved at all. Their involvement in anything worthwhile would be the death kiss of it from the start. The domination of nationalist politics by mostly retards is really what stops any progress from going forward at this point. The retards have a small number of years to work out for themselves what's important to them.

The later stages cannot be tested yet although the concept and ideas have met with general approval from a fairly large sample group.

So, Joe Public, in terms of indigenous white people and even immigrant white people, is keen for the saving the people and the country to begin right away. Given the timescales though it's pretty much a one shot attempt, so for now it must be handled like a delicate flower.

If and when you get a chance to get involved (please don't because you'll fuck it up) you'll never know of my part in it because I'll be anonymous throughout.

Franz said...

Gem Junior said...
This Nastiest Uncle and James thing is getting ridiculous.


Seconded!

I just did a quick run-through and Savant might as well do the wind 'n tides report every two days and the comments will be about the same.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Chuck Hammer 05:02

"Well, I didn't expect that. NU licking the windows on the short bus.

You should stick to snark because you've just revealed yourself to be a total fucking idiot. My bad, I thought you were smart, turns out you're just a narcissistic Dunning-Kruger type."

I never knew you were so sensitive about WTC7. Was one of the girders named after you or something?

"Nothing like that would have been remotely possible on 9/11."

Well actually, I was wrong to say "on the fly" because they weren't demolished until afterwards, but it was only safety concerns stopping them from being pulled on the day.

But I'm glad that you think that WTC7 could not have been destroyed by charges planted on the day, because there's no reason to believe that it was destroyed by charges planted before, meaning that you accept that it collapsed due to fire damage.

But no need to get so emotional about it.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Gem Junior 03:55

Well my nigger. I never asked that fucking doofus to go all Norman Bates and start thinking he was me. His brain just went like that on its own after he had been made to look really stoopid here so that he didn't have to look stupid in the real world.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 05:10

Standard doge method with you, but not everyone is as stoopid as you, so they get different answers.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 05:18

"Why are you telling me this?"

Because you do not understand it.

"This is not the issue in this regard though. The issue is whether someone will act on these affections because they do not care about their race. That is the issue."

The issue was nothing of the sort. Nasty Uncle said "Which one of them was guiding the child, when at the age of eleven, she developed a crush on a sand nigger?". And I said it was nothing to do with guiding the child because the parents wouldn't have known who their child fancied and could not have changed it if they did.

If you want to talk about the decisions people make regarding whether to fuck outside of their race, then get Savant to make a thread about it and I'll join in and make you all look stupid again.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Anonymous 05:23

Thanks for that, brainbox. If that were the case then I'd have to call every white person a national socialist, you fucking idiot.

Anonymous said...

LITTLE PUNKY JEW nastiestuncle said: “It would feel like an Anglo Saxon warrior [Hahaha] who, upon finding a white woman being molested by a gang of niggers, smashes the niggers' skulls [Hahaha], comforts the lady then cooks her a bacon sarnie and pours her a cup of tea until her family turn up to take her home.”

What nastiestuncle meant to was: “I would feel like Cohen the Barbarian who, upon finding a shiksa being molested by a gang of niggers, would incite the niggers even more (just like the rest of my tribe do), pickpocket the shiksa (you've got to pick a pocket or two), cook myself a nice bacon sarnie (I know.. I shouldn’t!), pour myself a nice cup of tea, pull my trousers down and start knocking one out over the niggers.”

LOL!

Frank Galton

James said...

Still no plan, just stuff about keeping NS types out of it.

It's hard to believe you have a plan.

BTW, why, exactly do you think I am a NS type who would fuck the plan up? I'm quite capable of not talking about Jews and Hitler.

If and when you get a chance to get involved (please don't because you'll fuck it up) you'll never know of my part in it because I'll be anonymous throughout.

Don't worry about me, worry about the 1488 NS types that will show up as soon as the plan starts rolling.

That's if you even have a plan. The only decent plan I've ever seen is Bob Whitaker's plan.

James said...

Because you do not understand it.

Why did you say that? Of course I understand it, it is pretty simple.

AnalogMan said...

Well, that was a total waste of time. After removing the James-and-Nastiest (and now also Frank) puppet show, there's bugger-all left to read. Good job, lads. It's the blogging equivalent of having niggers in your house.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 05:39

Of course some Jews hate whitey, my nigger. I met one once on an anti-jihad blog back in 2004. He wanted to nuke Europe and all the Arabs.

So he could probably just nuke Europe and kill both groups. Boom boom.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@James 05:37

"So why waste your time here then being a total asshole? What's the point of that?"

Well my nigger. It's to make you all look stoopid here so that you don't have to look stupid in real life.
Once you've all learned how to not look stupid in real life, we can get on with saving the country and people.

"So, how can this problem be solved?"

The enemy is all out of glue. The only way they can make labels stick is if we give them the glue. And the usual suspect national socialists love handing out glue.

Anonymous said...

James,

For once I have to agree with nastiestuncle when he says “The usual suspects the national socialists and their type have fucked up nationalist politics for the last 40 years...”

Just take a look at some of these “national socialists” (the “usual suspects”):

Andrew Britt Greenbaum aka Davis Wolfgang Hawke
http://www.subvertednation.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/davis-wolfgang-hawke-jew-nazi.jpg

Francis Joseph Cohen aka Frank Collin
http://firstlightforum.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/frank-collin-211.jpg

Dan Burros
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzrwZSFbBH70A5B4Ekgshujbkiz2-MoRVARc20b-xJf2QGmig06g

LOL!

Frank Galton

James said...

Frank, I've said that many times.

We can't escape the NS types, because the enemy will always provide them for us if we don't.

Maybe NU can provide a solution to that problem... How do we stop Jewish Nazis from discrediting pro-white activities?

Anonymous said...

Where have all the skinheads gone?

http://www.anti-semitism.net/wp-content/gallery/hate-media-anti-semitism/white_image20.jpg

LOL!

Frank Galton

James said...

And how do we stop the media from magnifying the smallest, most insignificant Nazi into a big problem.

How do we stop the media from portraying pretend Nazi spoilers as a part of whatever demonstration they attach themselves too?

How would nastiestuncle prevent infiltrators from making his movement look like just another NS type group?

That's what happens, how is it to be avoided?

James said...

Actually here is the solution

parisclaims said...

Sav,
I think you're going to have to ban these two. Give each one the other's email address and they can rabbit on to each other from now till eternity. You raise an interesting topic, and then they hijack the thread. Both have, in the past, made some interesting contributions, but they are abusing your hospitality and are both exceedingly tedious.

Anonymous said...

LITTLE PUNKY JEW nastiestuncle said: “So best leave things for people who aren't stupid and actually want to save the countries and people. Such people do exist though, just not many of them.”

One less now.

Godfrey “Bongo Bongo” Bloom quits as UKIP MEP
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24222992

James,

Best leave things for people who aren't stupid, you know the sort people – the people who get their information from “a couple of niggaz on the interwebs”.

LOL!

Frank Galton

Nastiest Uncle said...

I can't help if the two niggers have a hard on for me.

Anonymous said...

Some good comments in The Telegraph:

The middle-classes, the politicians and their activists, as well as the majority of the media see a world of diversity and multiculturalism, yet for the life of me I cannot find any empirical evidence to support that world-view. The world of multiculturalism and diversity exists only in their imaginations. Every piece of real-world evidence shows that the country is partitioned into mono-ethnic and mono-cultural ghettos. It's hardy surprising that the imaginary world of the Establishment bears no resemblance to the real world that the rest of us live in, since members of the Establishment do not live on inner-city council estates, or visit the areas that they claim are working examples of multiculturalism and diversity, nor do they see the evidence of ethnic cleansing and racially-motivated crimes committed against the native British by immigrants.

Their is no evidence whatsoever that a functional multicultural society exists or has ever existed anywhere on Earth. The evidence shows time and time again, that many ethnic groups and cultures occupying the same piece of land always resort to war, ethnic cleansing, and genocide; the Arabs and Jews of the Arabian peninsula; Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Albania; the Byzantine Greeks and the Turks; India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh; the Inca and the Spanish; the Aztecs and the Spanish; Rome and Carthage; the Arabs and the Phoenicians; the Arabs and the native Egyptians; the Yamato Japanese, the Ainu, and the Ryukyuan; Sudan and Darfur; Somalia and Somaliland; the Hutus and Tutsis of Rwanda; etc... etc...

Those of us who grew up on council estates or in the inner-cities, or still have family there, don't see multiculturalism and diversity at all. What we see with our own eyes is mono-ethnic and mono-cultural groups of people that have taken over large parts of our towns and cities, including those areas where we once lived. What we see with our own eyes and hear with our ears is one ethnic group and language spoken in one area, and another ethnic group and language spoken in another area, that are not native British or English speaking. The native British were driven out of the area by a combination of state-policy (e.g. Labour's Pathfinder scheme), alienation, violence, forced to observe foreign cultural practices and dress-codes, or were simply made to feel unwelcome.

continues....

Anonymous said...

continued....

Based on the evidence of history, and the evidence of what ordinary people are actually experiencing, Britain is not, nor will it ever be, a diverse and multicultural society. Britain is instead already in the process of breaking-up into hostile states based on ethnicity, culture and religion. Most mammals are instinctively territorial, and humans are the most instinctively territorial of all the animals on Earth. Our politicians have messed about with forces they cannot control, nor do they understand how the Natural-World really works.

The actions of our politicians and the Establishment have set in motion a series of events that will go down in history as the most savage, destructive, divisive, and bloody conflict in the history of the world. The instinct of people to be with their own kind, speaking their own language, and observing their own culture is considerably stronger than the dreams and ideals of a small elite of arrogant, sociopathic, and power-crazed politicians and their sycophantic courtiers.

The war has already begun. In a few short years we will be fighting for our lives, our country and our way of life. Our apathy and our inaction have condemned us and our children to a life of war, misery and poverty. Our children will never know peace in their lifetimes, instead they will lose their lives, their culture and their land to people who should never have been allowed to settle here in the first place! The politicians, on the other hand, will have moved elsewhere to avoid the consequences of their actions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10333477/After-Kenya-no-more-turning-the-other-cheek-to-those-who-hate-us.html

Anonymous said...

James said: “And how do we stop the media from magnifying the smallest, most insignificant Nazi into a big problem.”

Neo-Nazi Plans To Run North Dakota Town

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Jeff+Schoep&oq=Jeff+Schoep&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&espvd=210&ie=UTF-8#psj=1&q=Jeff+Schoep+American+National+Socialist+Dakota

The National Socialist Movement in the US has only around 400 members in 32 states (roughly 12 members per state) yet this group is now headline news around the world,

What’s the betting that this Jeff Schoep character (commander of the American National Socialist Movement) turns out to be another “Frank Collin”?

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

US Jew who posed as neo-Nazi sues ex-SS officer

http://www.jpost.com/International/US-Jew-who-posed-as-neo-Nazi-sues-ex-SS-officer

The “usual suspects” (nastiestuncle’s tribe) are quite adept at passing themselves off as neo-Nazis.

Frank Galton

Thor said...

UN says 'Samantha Lewthwaite was a shy 11-year-old schoolgirl growing up in the Home Counties when she first developed a crush on a Muslim boy.The boy, who was several years older, was apparently uninterested'

Um....she was probably too old.

Thor said...

Nastiest Uncle. Sometimes I give you credit for bringing a valid opposite view. But generally you seek to hide the truth and divert away.

The WTC 7 issue is a case in point. I could knock multiple claims you make (for instance it takes WEEKS to set up a building for demolition).

But anyone who tries to claim the WTC 7 collapse was not a CD is lying. Plain and simple.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Thor 10:09

"I could knock multiple claims you make (for instance it takes WEEKS to set up a building for demolition)."

Sorry my nigger, but I'm not claiming the building was destroyed by a controlled demolition.

Well if it was a controlled demolition then here's what happened, and I have it straight from the local Rabbi.

WTC7 was set up with explosives sometime in August.
The plan was to fly airliners into the WTC so that a bit of flaming debris would fly off at the exact right angle to set fire to WTC7.
It was a bit risky because firstly the plane could have been forced down by passengers like the one in Pennsylvania, or it could have missed, or it could have struck a part of the building such that a flaming bit didn't fly off at the right angle or it could have hit the right part of the building and still a flaming bit might not have flown off at all.
The demolition engineers and their families were killed so that no one could be a whistle blower.

There we have it. what an elaborate plan, all resting on a tiny chance that everything would have gone to plan so that a bit of flaming debris would have flown in the right direction at the right velocity to set fire to a building.

katana said...

For those readers interested in the views of real experts in building design and construction regarding 9/11, you need to consider the 2,047 architects and engineers who say that the buildings were brought down by Controlled (explosive) Demolition. They are seeking a full and proper investigation into that day's destruction of the buildings.

They do not speculate as to who did it or exactly how.

[BTW: readers are encouraged to copy the below points and repost them whenever 9/11 Controlled Demolition Deniers pop up.]

Some points the A & E raise:

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
[http://www.ae911truth.org/]

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:

1. Rapid onset of collapse

2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction

3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration

4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint

5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds

6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional

7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY


In the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:

1. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

2. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses

. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples


WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:

1. Slow onset with large visible deformations

2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)

3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel

4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed


As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:

1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration

2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution

3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction

4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes

5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally

6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking

7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds

8. 1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found

9. Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front

10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame

11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises

12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples

13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples


And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:

1. Slow onset with large visible deformations

2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)

3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel

4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed.


For more: Frequently Asked Questions
[http://www.ae911truth.org/en/faqs.html]

Anonymous said...

Savant,

Your whole site is being ruined by these two idiots.

Anonymous said...

"There we have it. what an elaborate plan, all resting on a tiny chance that everything would have gone to plan so that a bit of flaming debris would have flown in the right direction at the right velocity to set fire to a building."

WTF - has our little hasbarat been drinking? Being owned is not pleasant - but he should try to stay in control.
All the evidence points to Building 7 being a CD. Even the controlled MSM prefer to remain silent on the matter.

Rick

Anonymous said...

Barrack Hussein Obama had National Bi-Sexual Awareness Day behind closed doors.
Says everything about him does it not?

Chuck Hammer said...

Nastiest Uncle
There we have it. what an elaborate plan, all resting on a tiny chance that everything would have gone to plan so that a bit of flaming debris would have flown in the right direction at the right velocity to set fire to a building.


You have a point. If there were a conspiracy which included demolition of WTC7 by pre-placed demolition charges, there was a risk that WTC7 would not receive sufficient damage from the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 to make a WTC7 collapse look credible.

Which is exactly what happened. WTC3, 4, 5 and 6 all received massive damage from falling debris and did not collapse. WTC7 received minimal damage from falling debris and did collapse.

For the record, as I am not God I am not certain WTC7 was a CD. But I am certain WTC7 looked like a CD and that the official explanation (not that there really is one) for WTC7's collapse is very sketchy, depending as it does on an explanation that is not credible. i.e. a retarded engineer designed the building structure with no redundancy and small fires caused a first world steel-framed building to collapse.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Anonymous 14:38

"All the evidence points to Building 7 being a CD."

So if it was a controlled demolition, and it takes weeks to set these things up, then it all relied on a bit of burning debris crashing into the building to set it on fire sufficiently so that they could demolish the building with explosives and blame it on the fire.
What a lot of effort to go through, and and with such a low chance of it actually working. Fucking genius that pilot to get that bit of his plane to fly out of the tower at just the right velocity and direction to strike WTC7 and set it on fire.
I bet they couldn't get the same result if they tried again a hundred times.
Must have sucked when they had to execute all the demolition engineers and their families as well though.

Demolition engineer: Hey honey, I had to set charges in WTC7 today.
Wife: Why, are they going to fly planes into the WTC so that a bit of wing flies into WTC7 and sets it on fire, giving them an excuse to blow it up?
Demolition engineer: Yup, something like that. Shit, I shouldn't have told you. Now they will have to kill us all to keep it quiet.

Gem Junior said...

So, when Larry Silverstein said "pull it" or "we decided to pull it" and by that Silverstein is supposed to have meant "pull all the firemen out of the building so there is no further loss of life". He said "pull it" rather than "pull them out".
Yeah ok.

sooth sayer said...

I like reading the exchanges between James and NU,

I remember hearing the term politically correct on a sitcom in the early 90's

Political correctness stifles thought, it makes hypocrites of people, who candy coat what they want to say.

A typical devious way of conducting yourself-thanks to the people who make deviousness an art form, and thrive in devious social environments

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Chuck Hammer 16:11

"Which is exactly what happened. WTC3, 4, 5 and 6 all received massive damage from falling debris and did not collapse. WTC7 received minimal damage from falling debris and did collapse."

Well let's see.

WTC3 was split in half by the collapse of the South Tower and then was completely destroyed by the collapse of the North Tower, with the exception of a little three storey bit on its south side which had been upgraded after the 1993 attack.

WTC4 was damaged beyond repair.

WTC5 received severe damage and partial collapse. Total loss.

WTC6 received severe damage and partial collapse. Total loss.

WTC7 damage from debris, then collapse from fire damage.

"WTC7 looked like a CD"

Which isn't enough reason to think that it was a CD.

"i.e. a retarded engineer designed the building structure with no redundancy"

It was built to rely on a sprinkler system, which didn't work.

"and small fires"

Large fires, actually, and widespread.

"caused a first world steel-framed building to collapse."

Well, steel tends to lose its strength when it gets hot.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Gem Junior 16:55

Is Larry Silverstein a demolition engineer? Because if not, why would he be using the technical term "pull", which actually means to attach cables to the top of a low rise building then pull it over with plant machinery?

'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' - is what he said whilst the men were in there. Pull the building over whilst there were men in there?

Chuck Hammer said...

Nastiest Uncle
Well, steel tends to lose its strength when it gets hot.


Unfortunately for you I am a mechanical engineer with a degree from a College you would be very familiar with - #6 in the world - and so this silly generalization is 100% unconvincing for me.

I would like to believe the official 9/11 story. I really would. Then I could go back to my previous innocent state of patriotism and trusting my government. Coming to the realization that my country is Israel's bitch and is run by criminals has fucked up my life.

Chuck Hammer said...

Nastiest Uncle
We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.


I have listened to that Silverstein clip a hundred times. I want to give Lucky Larry the benefit of the doubt, I really do. I just can not get "pull it" to mean "evacuate the firemen."

Nope. By "pull it" Larry meant "demolish it."

And since there was no means whatsoever to demolish it on the day, down the rabbit hole you go.

Anonymous said...

Some good news. Well for me anyway. I was talking to my son earlier today who is an out and out lefty. Just finishing university and gone through the whole of the system. Anyway, after talking to him he said I had made a good point and perhaps things were not as he thought.

Chuck Hammer said...

And then of course there is Barry Jennings' eyewitness testimony that the WTC7 lobby was "full of bodies."

A story which he later retracted.

Barry is now dead.

Keiser said...

One of Autumn Pasquale's nigger killers is freed.

Well punishing them for TNB is now racist after all. In the Confederate South he would have only been cut down now.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/09/26/nj-neighbor-older-of-two-brothers-freed-in-autumn-pasquale-murder-case/

Anonymous said...

James.
I have defended NUs right to say what he believes. I still do defend that right.
However, I also have the right to ignore it. I have come to the conclusion that NU has nothing to offer and skip his posts. I think he thrives on being insulted.
Best ignored and he will go away.

Anonymous said...

Which one of them was guiding the child, when at the age of eleven, she developed a crush on a sand nigger? Or were they so fucking self-absorbed that neither of them even noticed?

Or they believed that race mixing was a good thing and Islam was the religion of peace. We can't really blame the brainwashed just the launderers.

Anonymous said...

As stated earlier I skip NUs posts.
Did he really ask :-

If it had been brought down by explosive charges, then why would they not admit it?

I was right to skip his posts if he did. I can't be arsed to check myself.

You will never learning anything by missing my posts. NU

Anonymous said...

Barrack Hussein Obama had National Bi-Sexual Awareness Day behind closed doors.
You have to be behind closed doors to come out of the closet.

Chuck Hammer said...

Anonymous
As stated earlier I skip NUs posts.
Did he really ask :-
If it had been brought down by explosive charges, then why would they not admit it?


He did. Revealing his total lack of grasp of reality.

NU believes it would have been possible on 9/11 to bring "engineers" to lower Manhattan, pick up some "charges" at, well, who knows where, and rig WTC7 for demolition. All in a few hours in the middle of the utter chaos of the 9/11 attacks.

I liked NU more when I thought he was a professional disinformation agent. Now he's revealed himself as a dimwitted troll he's a lot less interesting.

My apologies to those of you who knew this all along.

Anonymous said...

nastiestuncle: Niggers have the right to exist, my nigger, but just in Africa.

And Jews have the right to exist, but only in Israel?

nastiestuncle: Jews create jobs. I'm ok with them living in “my” country.

Indians (Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Christians), Turks, Chinese etc create jobs in the UK.

Nastiestuncle: Africa for Africans, Europe for Indians, Turks, Chinese etc.

So no real change on the streets of the UK

Thanks for clearing that one up, nastiestuncle.

ROTFLOL!!!

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

Is this girlie Irish?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2433100/F--country-What-accountant-Claire-Moloney-told-Asian-man-Tube-rant.html

Anonymous said...

nastiestuncle, if we turf out the Indian newsagents, who’s gonna distribute the Jewish propaganda (newspapers, magazines) to the gullible goyim?

ROTFLOL!!!

nastiestuncle, which other group do you believe could replace them (Indians)? Are whites capable of running a newsagent?

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

So, when Larry Silverstein said "pull it" or "we decided to pull it" and by that Silverstein is supposed to have meant "pull all the firemen out of the building so there is no further loss of life". He said "pull it" rather than "pull them out".
Yeah ok.



Well duh! Of course that is what he meant. Silverstein being one of the Cohosen would regard the firefighters as subhuman and therefore refer to them as it instead of them.

Shaunantijihad said...

Sometimes the online comments at The Express sound like us.

James said...

There we have it. what an elaborate plan, all resting on a tiny chance that everything would have gone to plan so that a bit of flaming debris would have flown in the right direction at the right velocity to set fire to a building.

There are videos of firemen going into the front of WTC7 and there is no damage to the building. No big chunks of WTC1 or WTC2 hit it. (It was quite far away)

Explain that.

Fix your manners.

James said...

Nastiestuncle quoted and postulated:

"WTC7 looked like a CD"

Which isn't enough reason to think that it was a CD.


But you deny that it even looks like a CD, when in fact it looks exactly like a very well executed CD.

It's ridiculous to deny that it looks like a CD. Only a complete religious true believer in the official story would believe that.

And you claim other people are gullible. WTF?

It may not be enough to think it was a CD, as you say, but it certainly isn't any kind of proof that it wasn't a CD. Do you have the brain power to see the distinction?

Shaunantijihad said...

What the Hasbarat show here accomplishes is to make the blog unappealing to new readers. Old stalwarts may plough through the Yid shit, but Savant is probably not getting many new readers and spreading the message.

James said...

Well, steel tends to lose its strength when it gets hot.

And all steel within a 100 m radius of the fire loses its strength at exactly the same time. Even the top floors with no fires fall apart like wet spaghetti, just because.

You need to do better.

There was really no reason for WTC7 to fall like it did. You offer nothing to back up you argument besides insults. Nothing.

You are running on empty.

On the other hand, if you tell me your plan, I'll help with that. If it's a good plan, I'll sell my house, go to the UK, and help you do it.

Keiser said...

For the benefit of people who still believe that

"steel tends to lose its strength when it gets hot."

Yes it does BUT lets qualify the statement by putting it in context...AGAIN


The type of steel used (ASTM E119) in the twin towers could not be heated sufficiently by Jet A1 as the open air burning temperatures of Jet A1 is 260–315 °C and to soften (anneal) steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above 1100°C.

Given that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119 and the time temperature curves for this standard requires the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 1093.33°C (or 2000°F) for several hours then 260–315 °C is nowhere near hot enough to even weaken ASTM E119 to the point where it is derated and unsuitable for standard loads.

Also Jet fuel doesn't burn particularly hot in open air even though it is "Jet Fuel"

Some people think "ooohhhh wow Jet Fuel that must be incredibly hot since it is used in a Jet".

It's not, a house/office fire could even get this hot (260–315 °C) and building have raged for hours under these conditions without collapse.

Also a substantial amount of the fuel did burn off initially in the crash and "vented to atmosphere", and there was a low oxygen environment which was evidenced by the black smoke.

So given this it is unlikely that the max temp 260–315 °C would even have been reached by the Jet fuel burning with black smoke.

In short neither the office fires nor Jet A1 could have achieved sufficient temperatures to anneal the ASTM E119 steel.

James said...

I liked NU more when I thought he was a professional disinformation agent. Now he's revealed himself as a dimwitted troll he's a lot less interesting.

My apologies to those of you who knew this all along.


Personally, I truly think he's got a few screws loose. I've met one other person who acts like he does and that guy was on pills and seeing a shrink. He told me what his condition was and knew it made him intolerable to other people at times.

Nastiestuncle has the same condition, I'm 99% sure of it.

(The other 1% is the chance he might have a different but similar condition)

He really does need to seek help.

I mean, honestly, have you guys ever seen anything like him on the net before?

Anonymous said...

“I liked NU more when I thought he was a professional disinformation agent. Now he's revealed himself as a dimwitted troll he's a lot less interesting.”

BREAKING NEWS

nastiestuncle recalled to Hasbara HQ, Tel Aviv, to face disciplinary hearing after being outed as a dim-witted, gullible twat.

PHOTO: nastiestuncle, head held in shame, EL AL flight 6,000,000 to Tel Aviv

davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/JEW-IN-A-BAG.jpg

LOL!

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

WTC5 received SEVERE damage and PARTIAL collapse. Total loss.

WTC6 received SEVERE damage and PARTIAL collapse. Total loss.

WTC7 SLIGHT damage from debris, then COMPLETE FREEFALL SPEED collapse from fire damage.

OK that's makes complete sense

rob

Shaunantijihad said...

" Gem Junior said...
This Nastiest Uncle and James thing is getting ridiculous. Nastiest Uncle: No it isn't James: Oh yes it is totally getting ridiculous and fucking boring too. Would you cut the shit out? It's really tiresome and ruining the site. "

Ruining the site is the point Gem. Same old, same old.

Nazis were right

James said...

Also Jet fuel doesn't burn particularly hot in open air even though it is "Jet Fuel"

Jet Fuel is basically Kerosene, like Indian housewives use to cook meals, and Indian husbands use to cook their wives sometimes. This latter circumstance is often triggered when the steel stove collapses from the 260 deg C to 315 deg C burning temperature. These collapses happen about 3 nights out of 5, and generally ruin the evening.

It's not like petrol. It burns hotter than spirits, but not too much hotter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_fuel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

James said...

Did he really ask :-

If it had been brought down by explosive charges, then why would they not admit it?


Yes he did actually say that.

James said...

And then NU goes on about "pulling" meaning using cables (but only on 8 story buildings).

Maybe I'm dumb but I can't see the relevance.

Is he trying to say Larry Silverstein thought WTC7 was 8 stories high and wanted to pull it over with cables?

WTF is he on about? Is it just more of his obfuscation? Why even talk about that in this context?

potgieter said...

"Controlled Demolition Deniers "

Heh, like that, katana. Turn the bastards' weapons against them selves.

James said...

Rick Rule thinks the people in charge of America are evil, and that their actions with cause massive widespread suffering amongst the American people.

They deserve to suffer because they are stupid and I'm a genius.--nastiestuncle

Well here's the link.

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/9/26_Big_Picture_Great_For_Gold_But_Bad_For_Millions_Of_Americans.html

Evil? There is no scientific evidence for the existence of evil. You guise probably think Obama is the anti-Christ.--nastiestuncle

Uncle Nasty said...

Anonymous said...

PHOTO: nastiestuncle, head held in shame, EL AL flight 6,000,000 to Tel Aviv

davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/JEW-IN-A-BAG.jpg


This is wonderful. A few years ago I bought soup-in-a-bag. You microwaved it.

Much less messy than the old method of roasting in ovens. No ash to dispose of.
Ain't progress wonderful?

I suppose the tribe would call that a tasteless remark. Quite the opposite. The soup was delicious.

UN
.

James said...

Just checked Henry Makow's site. He's an evil Jew but has some good articles.

Today there was one about the Polish air crash that killed all the Polish government.

It didn't.--nastiestuncle

OK, moving on, here is what Henry said:

Is the Smolensk crash conspiracy still an open wound in Poland or are people resigned to accepting the official story?
I put this question to a Polish reader. This is his answer.


by Alojzy Feliński
(henrymakow.com)

A short answer is: the MSM are ramming into people's minds that the counter-official interpretation of the Smolensk crash is a dangerous conspiracy theory and its proponents are psychiatric cases. How come the pattern is so similar to 9/11?...

Exactly.--nastiestuncle

Yes, exactly.

http://henrymakow.com/2013/09/Letter-from-Poland.html

I think, therefore I am right.--DescartesUncle

Anonymous said...

Moving slightly away from the two idiots that capitalize this blog ( please Savant – do us all a favour and toast these guys )
The two Ronnie’s – Nasty & James , who I seriously think are the same person – whichever way you look at it – both are totally disruptive and detract from a thoroughly intelligent and well compiled blog that you , Mr Savant, have carefully created over a number of years.
Each one of the faithful have to sift and scroll through several reams of absolute bullshit that these two conjure up before we get to anything that resembles an intelligent read. ( thank you UN and others )
Moving on – I have just finished watching ‘The Wonder of dogs’ on BBC TWO. Sarah Humble hosts a very entertaining program about man’s best friend.
What I found fascinating was that the question was posed – “ is one breed of dog more intelligent than another” – the program then went on to discover that – Yes - some breeds are a lot more clever than others!!
It made me ponder the question of why the almighty BBC does not produce a similar program about ‘breeds of people’ – and ask the same question – are some people more intelligent than others?
Of course this would never happen since human beings, unlike dogs or any other animal on the planet are “all the same” – we are “all equal” “ and the same inside “– none of us are any more intelligent than another.
One other thing I noted on this program which I will be writing to the BBC editors about is the distinct lack of black or brown research people on this program – this is outrageous !
All the researchers and really really clever people that contributed to the academic part of this show were all hideously White. Why is this I ask myself?
The only conclusion I came to is that all the Black and Brown doctors, teachers, and academics that we normally see on BBC, were otherwise occupied on other programs like Eastenders, Casualty, and Waterloo Road.

James said...

What I found fascinating was that the question was posed – “ is one breed of dog more intelligent than another” – the program then went on to discover that – Yes - some breeds are a lot more clever than others!!

Like we've never heard this before on White Nationalist sites.

Thanks for your contribution.

Sponge Cake said...

It was only a matter of time.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/growing-numbers-of-teens-being-gangraped-report-29612424.html

James said...

It was only a matter of time.

Porn might have something to do with it. It might warp Muslims minds.

It doesn't. Muslims don't watch porn.--nastiestuncle

Ha ha ha ha. They watch it more than we do.

James said...

What I found fascinating was that the question was posed – “ is one breed of dog more intelligent than another” – the program then went on to discover that – Yes - some breeds are a lot more clever than others!!

Read "The Descent of Man" by Charles Darwin. It's on the internet, and Part One is not very long.

He goes into quite some depth about whether the different races should be regarded as species, sub-species, or just races.

It's worth a read.

Chapter VII - On the Races of Man

Nastiest Uncle said...

@katana 12:06

And here's the problem with copy/ pasting any old shit and passing it off as fact.

"2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction"

The Ground floor of the building didn't collapse as it was an electricity substation. It only collapsed as far as about the 8th floor. So any explosions heard were likely to have been exploding transformers, although there would have been other explanations also.

"3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration"

It didn't fall through the path of greatest resistance nor did it fall at free fall speeds.

"4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint"

Again, not true. It fell in such a way as it tore off teh facade of the building opposite and damaged another.

"5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds"

Consistent with lots of smoke, ash and dust.

"7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY"

As if the media would have been told in advance! Why not just let them report it as it happened? They didn't need to be told in advance. Good lord.

James said...

Another economic collapse worse than 2008 might be coming.

http://www.deviantinvestor.com/5014/5014/

It isn't.--nastiestuncle


"Our highest priority going forward is to fix our broken political system. Short of that, there is no viable long-term solution to our badly warped economy."

Alan Greenspan

Dan said...

Samantha Lethwaite.

I strongly suspect that the Kenyan Foreign Minister Amina Mohamad is simply desperate to have a white Debbil to blame. After all Amina Mohamad is a Muzzie just like the Animals who invaded that mall full of white expats.

Blaming a chav is probably the first thing the cunt learned when she did her post doc work at Oxford. The British press, instead of being sceptical about a rather dull girl suddenly turning into Goldfinger are happily lapping up the story.

James said...

Another pointless post:

"Oy vey! Vee tried so hard but zee Palesteenians dont vant peace!"

James said...

These leaders have all called for a "New World Order"

So? That doesn't mean anything.--nastiestuncle

You don't mean anything.

James said...

Underwater waterfall.

Impossible.--nastiestuncle

Anonymous said...

The Daily Mail seems to be going into overdrive.

Check out the Mail’s HOMEPAGE. Four “stories” about the NAZIS, two articles about WW2, and one article about right-wing thugs.

Are the “usual suspects” panicking?

Homepage
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Nazis offered peace with the Allies in 1941… but only if they were allowed to invade Russia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2433733/How-Nazis-offered-peace-treaty-World-War-II-meant-selling-Russians.html

Operation Munchkin: Bizarre Nazi plan to breed giant Angora rabbits in concentration camps for fur-lined clothes for Hitler's men

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2433171/Operation-Munchkin-Nazi-plan-breed-giant-Angora-rabbits-clothes.html#ixzz2g2dGwi9t

'Former Auschwitz guard', 93, charged with being accessory to murder as German prosecutors continue attempts to bring low-level Nazis to justice before they die

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2434034/Nazi-war-criminals-Hans-Lipschis-Former-Auschwitz-guard-93-charged-accessory-murder.html#ixzz2g2dW4mxb

The Nazi women who were every bit as evil as the men: From the mother who shot Jewish children in cold blood to the nurses who gave lethal injections in death camps

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2432620/Hitlers-Furies-The-Nazi-women-bit-evil-men.html

'I see you've been in quite a lot of films': D-Day veteran, 90, meets Brad Pitt but has to admit he doesn't know who he is

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2433060/Brad-Pitt-D-Day-veteran-90-meets-actor-explains-doesnt-know-is.html#ixzz2g2eZerEb

The real-life 'Allo 'Allo! Teenage tail gunner spent three months hiding in French cafe after his Lancaster bomber was shot down during raid

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2433313/The-real-life-Allo-Allo-Teenage-RAF-gunner-spent-months-hiding-French-cafe-Lancaster-bomber-shot-raid.html#ixzz2g2ej5dzv

Caught on CCTV: Dramatic moment gang of right-wing thugs ambushed anti-fascists going to a benefit concert

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2434088/Video-shows-dramatic-moment-group-right-wing-thugs-ambushed-anti-fascists-going-benefit-gig.html

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

“Porn might have something to do with it.”

Ramallah, West Bank - Porn movies and programmes in Hebrew are being broadcast by Israeli troops who have taken over three Palestinian television stations of Ramallah, irate residents of the besieged West Bank town said on Saturday.

'Deliberate psychological damage'

Anita, a 52-year-old mother of three children, complained about "the deliberate psychological damage caused by these broadcasts".

"I am furious, these are the people who are shooting at us that also play this disgusting trick on us," she said.

"We are desperate for news and constantly flipping channels and get these terrible pictures instead," adding that videos of the intifada were also shown backwards with "ideal terrorism" written in red across the screen.

"Luckily, there is no electricity in half of Ramallah," she said from her house in east Jerusalem where the channels are also available.

A fourth local station, whose premises were not seized by the army, ran a written message across its screen letting people know it was the Israelis who were behind the graphic scenes.

"Anything currently shown on Al-Watan and other local TV channels has nothing to do with Palestinian programmes but is being broadcast by the Israeli occupation forces, we urge parents to take precautions," the message said.

Israeli military denies allegations

The Israeli military denied that it had anything to do with the pornographic programming and instead BLAMED THE PALESTINIAN LEADERS (ROTFLOL!!!!).

http://www.news24.com/xArchive/Archive/Porn-the-new-weapon-of-choice-20020330

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

The Jewish Quarterly

Smut peddlers

A story little told is that of Jews in Hollywood’s seedier cousin, the adult film industry. Perhaps we’d prefer to pretend that the ‘triple-exthnics’ didn’t exist, but there’s no getting away from the fact that secular Jews have played (and still continue to play) a disproportionate role throughout the adult film industry in America. Jewish involvement in pornography has a long history in the United States, as Jews have helped to transform a fringe subculture into what has become a primary constituent of Americana. These are the ‘true blue Jews’.

Jewish activity in the porn industry divides into two (sometimes overlapping) groups: pornographers and performers. Though Jews make up only two per cent of the American population, they have been prominent in pornography. Many erotica dealers in the book trade between 1890 and 1940 were immigrant Jews of German origin. According to Jay A. Gertzman, author of Bookleggers and Smuthounds:The Trade in Erotica, 1920-1940 (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999), ‘Jews were prominent in the distribution of gallantiana [fiction on erotic themes and books of dirty jokes and ballads], avant-garde sexually explicit novels, sex pulps, sexology, and flagitious materials’.

Read more...
http://www.jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38

Frank Galton

James said...


Operation Munchkin: Bizarre Nazi plan to breed giant Angora rabbits in concentration camps for fur-lined clothes for Hitler's men


How terrible.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Keiser 20:40

I'm not sure why you keep posting that crap when just an easy peasy search on Google will show you that jet fuel burns at way higher than 260–315 °C.

But it wasn't the jet fuel fires which caused the failure of the steel supports; it was the hydrocarbon and plastic fires which burned at 1100 °C.

"Given that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119 and the time temperature curves for this standard requires the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 1093.33°C (or 2000°F) for several hours then 260–315 °C is nowhere near hot enough to even weaken ASTM E119 to the point where it is derated and unsuitable for standard loads."

The steel beams with the half inch fireproofing were only rated for 45 minutes. Many of the beams had had their fire proofing scraped off or it was not there in the first place, reducing the rating even further.

"It's not, a house/office fire could even get this hot (260–315 °C) and building have raged for hours under these conditions without collapse."

The jet fuel only burned for about ten minutes.

"Also a substantial amount of the fuel did burn off initially in the crash and "vented to atmosphere", and there was a low oxygen environment which was evidenced by the black smoke."

Actually it was a high oxygen atmosphere and black smoke is not indicative of low temperatures. Black smoke fires can burn at 2000 °C.

http://www.debunking911.com/fires.htm
http://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-black-smoke-and-orange-flames-as-an-indicator-of-an-oxygen-starved-low-temp-fire.2373/
http://www.911myths.com/html/black_smoke.html

You can save so much time by using Google just once.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Anonymous 18:23

"If it had been brought down by explosive charges, then why would they not admit it?"

My nigger. My poor, poor, nigger.

There are two scenarios under which WTC7 had demolition charges planted in it.

1. On the day of the attacks. They thought the building would collapse but they wanted to control its fall to minimise damage to other buildings and casualties. In this case, they could have admitted that they planted the demolition charges because there's no fault in planting charges in a building in order to bring it down more predictably and safely.

But no, this wasn't possible because according to one of the brainboxes here it takes weeks to plant demolition charges. So that leads to scenario two.

2. The charges were planted weeks or months ahead of 911 and for the charges in WTC7 to have been able to have been set off so that the collapse of the building could be blamed on fire, the rest of the dastardly plot would have to go exactly according to plan. That means the hijacking of the plane had to go smoothly, it could not be retaken by passengers, the plane had to fly into a particular point of the WTC at a particular speed and at a particular angle so that a portion of the wing could fly off and set fire to WTC7, all of the demolition engineers and their families would have to be killed to prevent leaks, and so on. You could run 911 many many times and never get the same result twice and yet the organisers were so confidant that it would go exactly to plan, even though it was not possible to predict that a piece of plane or which peace would fly out of the WTC and start a fire in WTC7, that they took the chance of filling WTC7 up with demolition charges.

So, it was either scenario 2, or no demolition charges were ever planted in WTC7 and it came down because of failure of structural supports caused by damage due to fire.

Anonymous said...

James said: “Maybe NU can provide a solution to that problem... How do we stop Jewish Nazis from discrediting pro-white activities?”

Frank Galton

James said...

Nastiestuncle postulated:

I'm not sure why you keep posting that crap when just an easy peasy search on Google will show you that jet fuel burns at way higher than 260–315 °C.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT.

Google "Jet Fuel".

Top result is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

About one page down is the following:

--------------------------------
Typical physical properties for Jet A and Jet A-1[edit source]

Jet A-1 fuel must meet:
DEF STAN 91-91 (Jet A-1),
ASTM specification D1655 (Jet A-1), and
IATA Guidance Material (Kerosene Type), NATO Code F-35.

Jet A fuel must reach ASTM specification D1655 (Jet A)[7]

Typical physical properties for Jet A / Jet A-1 [8]

Jet A-1 Jet A
Flash point 38 °C (100 °F)
Autoignition temperature 210 °C (410 °F)[9]
Freezing point −47 °C (−53 °F) −40 °C (−40 °F)
Open air burning temperatures 260–315 °C (500–599 °F)[9]
Density at 15 °C (59 °F) .804 kg/L (6.71 lb/US gal) .820 kg/L (6.84 lb/US gal)
Specific energy 43.15 MJ/kg 43.02 MJ/kg
Energy density 34.7 MJ/L 35.3 MJ/L
--------------------------------
Pwned.

Now you are really looking ridiculous.

James said...

That means the hijacking of the plane had to go smoothly, it could not be retaken by passengers, the plane had to fly into a particular point of the WTC at a particular speed and at a particular angle so that a portion of the wing could fly off and set fire to WTC7, all of the demolition engineers and their families would have to be killed to prevent leaks, and so on

Or if you can't trust the Goyim, get Mossad agents to do it. They won't tell.

The other option of course is to get someone to spray fireproofing or asbestos locking films all over the building, but provide them with spray-on nanothermite.

Then all you need is a detonator. Agents could do that.

All this is possible. You simply lack imagination. Also, you are dead wrong about the jet fuel.

James said...

The daily mail weighs in...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html"

Robert in Arabia said...

Ban abusive duo.Please.

Anonymous said...

Seeing as nastiestuncle has posted a link to the website 911 MYTHS.com, I thought I’d post a link to a website with an article titled ‘20 Zionist MYTHS Exposed’.

20 Zionist Myths Exposed

http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/ZionistMyths.html

LOL!!!

nastiestuncle (Her Majesty) tells us that we shouldn’t trust any website that contains the word “truth” in its title. Does this also apply to the word “myth”?

nastiestuncle, what’s your opinion on what M.B. Qumsiyeh has to say re Zionist myths? Is M.B. Qumsiyeh telling the truth, or is it all just anti-Semitic lies?

Frank Galton

Uncle Nasty said...

.
Frank Galton says:-

Caught on CCTV: Dramatic moment gang of right-wing thugs ambushed anti-fascists going to a benefit concert

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2434088/Video-shows-dramatic-moment-group-right-wing-thugs-ambushed-anti-fascists-going-benefit-gig.html


Interesting link, that. One has to assume, by implication, that there are no left wing thugs?

Shades of the arselicking allied term for Josef Stalin ... Uncle Joe.

Equally interesting is that the lefty term for these little angels with dirty faces ... "Antifa" has been quite happily adopted by the right. Bit of an own goal, there.

UN
.

Uncle Nasty said...

.
James said...

The daily mail weighs in...

Even more interesting that the article -- obviously published to coincide with the anniversary of the event -- has drawn such harsh criticism.

Go to the "comments" section .... now closed of course, and read the comments -- not only almost unanimously calling "Bullshit" -- but, in turn, receiving hundreds of positive endorsements (Thumbs-ups?) from non-commenting readers.

Pretty much nobody believes the official story any more. Which then begs the question ... if the disbelief and distrust in the PTB has reached such depths regarding 9/11, one wonders at the real opinions of the Great Unwashed re: the current economic meltdown, the EU, Mass illegal immigration and all that.

The Boston Bombing, the oh-so-dodgy Pommy nigger beheading, a string of US mass shooting incidents ... all are currently being severely questioned.

Even the Nairobi Mall cock-up is prompting a few embarrassing questions -- one of which is how come an israeli SWAT team was on the spot to assist, so ... quickly?

UN
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Anonymous said...

UN

Check the end of the article,

“Members of the public with any information or concerns regarding domestic extremism, are asked to call the Confidential Anti-Terrorist Hotline on 0800 789 321.”

Anti-Terrorist Hotline?

Right-wing “thugs” are now on a par with “Muslim terrorists”.

LOL!

Are the “usual suspects” (nastiestuncle’s tribe) getting the jitters?

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

Dozens dead at Kenyan mall

Yaki Lopez, Deputy to Israeli Ambassador to Kenya, told Ynet Monday that gaining full control on the structure is still beyond reach. "WE ARE IN THE FIELD, TRYING TO SEE HOW WE CAN HELP, GIVING SUPPORT," he said.

ROTFLOL!!!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4432607,00.html

Israeli police head to US to aid in Boston Marathon bombing investigation

rt.com/usa/police-israel-investigation-boston-009/

Boston bombing will boost U.S. support for Israel, says Netanyahu aide

www.haaretz.com/blogs/diplomania/boston-bombing-will-boost-u-s-support-for-israel-says-netanyahu-aide.premium-1.516721

Frank Galton

James said...

Pretty much nobody believes the official story any more. Which then begs the question ... if the disbelief and distrust in the PTB has reached such depths regarding 9/11, one wonders at the real opinions of the Great Unwashed re: the current economic meltdown, the EU, Mass illegal immigration and all that.

The Boston Bombing, the oh-so-dodgy Pommy nigger beheading, a string of US mass shooting incidents ... all are currently being severely questioned.

Even the Nairobi Mall cock-up is prompting a few embarrassing questions -- one of which is how come an israeli SWAT team was on the spot to assist, so ... quickly?


Celtic Rebel postulated that we are supposed to know its all fake. Then we feel even more powerless, because they are rubbing it in our faces and we can't do anything about it.

Nastiestuncle is above all that though.

James said...

Its all part of the Masonic pyramid agenda.

The blacks at the bottom.

Then the rest of the Goyim.

Then come the Jews.

Then the Rabbis.

Then the Royal Family.

Then the Anti-Christ.

Then God.

And above all that lot sits nastiestuncle.

Uncle Nasty said...

While we're on the subject of false flags, this is from a commentator whom I have referenced in the past.

The Slog cannot be called a right winger by any stretch of the imagination, but even he is smelling a big, fat, fucking greek rat.

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/

GREECE EXCLUSIVE: Murder of Leftist Pavlos Fyssas ‘was a set-up’ – sources.
‘ORCHESTRATED’ RIGHTIST COUP WARNING SEEN AS FAKE


Murderer’s motives in question
Samaras Coalition quick to benefit from murder

Despite the non-coverage in Western media of the current post political-murder crisis in Greece, readers of this site should be in no doubt about the seriousness of the situation. A growing suspicion here is that the Samaras Government (and/or its security force allies) may have stage-managed the killing for political gain.

I reported earlier in the week having witnessed a Syriza/KKE anti-Golden Dawn demonstration in the Messinian capital of Kalamata last weekend. I opined at that time how I felt the Greek Left had become distracted from its real task, following the murder of one of its activists by a high-profile Golden Dawn supporter. It now looks likely that this was at least part of the intention behind the murder.

On September 18th, nine days ago, 45 year old Giorgos Roupakias (left) stabbed 34 year old Leftist hip-hop singer Pavlos Fyssas to death. The incident took place in front of dozens of witnesses outside a cafe near to the town centre square of Piraeus suburb Keratsini. Roupakias (a) made no attempt to hide his identity (b) left his weapon at the scene covered in fingerprints, and (c) made no serious attempt to escape.

Far from benefiting in any way, Golden Dawn is embarrassed by the killing. Police have established that Roupakias made several attempts to phone prominent GD members, and was largely rebuffed.

Shortly afterwards, an article was posted on the Internet purporting to come from reservist Special Forces. It called for the overthrow of the Greek constitution, and the immediate resignation of the government. And it made a plea for a partnership between Greek patriots and the army. As it appeared to suggest a joint op between the army and Golden Dawn, the post turned up the political heat.


The narrative wears a little threadbare, methinks?

Interesting, no? I have often entertained a sneaking suspicion that certain barely-stable types are cultivated (for want of a better term) by certain PTB handlers and put away for a rainy day, when they can be wound up (in all senses of the term) and unleashed with a bomb or a rifle to go out in a blaze of, let's be frank, useful glory.

"I'm just a patsy ..."

Lee Harvey Oswald, November 23, 1963.

UN
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katana said...

For more information on WTC 7 this article gives a good overview on the issue of that building's period of freefall collapse.

Freefall and Building 7 on 9/11 By David Chandler
[http://911speakout.org/Freefall.pdf]

Chandler confronted NIST on the period of freefall of WTC 7 at a technical briefing and eventually forced them to admit that it did in fact occur. Here are some quotes:

* "We know that the falling section of Building 7 did not crush the lower section of the building because the top section of Building 7 fell at freefall. It didn’t just fall at something close to freefall. It fell for about 2.5 seconds at a rate that was indistinguishable from freefall. If the falling section of the building had crushed the lower section, the lower section would have pushed back with an equal but opposite force. But that would have slowed the fall. Since the fall was not slowed in the slightest, we can conclude that the force of interaction was zero... in both directions. ..."

* "NIST is scrambling to find a plausible scenario that will allow it to escape the consequences of what is plainly visible. (If you have not seen the collapse of Building 7, find it on YouTube and watch for yourself. For most people simply watching it collapse is all it takes. Most people are not stupid. Most people can recognize the difference between a demolition and a natural building collapse with nothing more being said. ..."

* "Freefall is an embarrassment to the official story, because freefall is impossible for a naturally collapsing building. In a natural collapse there would be an interaction between the falling and the stationary sections of the building. This interaction would cause crushing of both sections and slowing of the falling section. ..."

* "Freefall was so embarrassing to NIST that in the August 2008 draft release for public comment of their final report, the fact of freefall was denied and crudely covered up with the assertion that the collapse took 40% longer than “freefall time.” ..."

* "Their analysis demonstrates either gross incompetence or a crude attempt at a cover up. The scientists at NIST are clearly not incompetent, so the only reasonable conclusion is to interpret this as part of a cover up. ..."

* "I had an opportunity to confront NIST about the easily demonstrated fact of freefall at the technical briefing on August 26, 2008. I and several other scientists and engineers also filed official “requests for correction” in the days that followed. When they released their final report in November 2008, much to the surprise of the 9/11 Truth community, they had revised their measurements of the collapse of the building, including an admission of 2.25 seconds of absolute freefall. However, they couched the period of freefall in a framework of a supposed “three phase collapse sequence” that still occupies exactly 5.4 seconds. ..."

* "So, NIST now acknowledges that freefall did occur. How do they explain that? They don’t. They simply state, without elaboration, that their three-phase collapse analysis is consistent with their fireinduced collapse hypothesis. ... In other words, they make no attempt to explain the 2.25 second period of freefall. They just walked away from it without further comment. ..."

* "The freefall of Building 7 is one of the clearest of many “smoking guns” that proves explosives were planted in the World Trade Center buildings prior to 9/11, 2001."

Chandler's own 9/11related web site is: 911SpeakOut
[911SpeakOut.org.]

(Chandler has taught physics, mathematics, and astronomy since 1972 at both the high school and college levels and is active with the video and writing teams of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.)

SAVANT said...

Nastiest Uncle and James.

Guys, I'm coming around to the view that both of you are hijacking the threads and turning off a lot of readers. All too often the subject of the original post is lost which kinda defeats the objectives of the comment feature.

So would you tone it down a bit? By this I mean try to keep to the subject at hand and don't feel that every comment from one automatically calls for a rejoinder.

katana said...

We know you've been reluctant to intervene Savant, but this is about time and will be welcomed by all. Thanks.

AnalogMan said...

James said:

Celtic Rebel postulated that we are supposed to know its all fake. Then we feel even more powerless, ...

Which, mirabile dictu, brings us back to the subject of the post: Political Correctness. Theodore Dalrymple wrote:

Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same [intentional] effect.

Keiser said...
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Keiser said...

@NU

"I'm not sure why you keep posting that crap when just an easy peasy search on Google will show you that jet fuel burns at way higher than 260–315 °C."

in a turbofan engine it does NU. In the open air it does not I'm afraid but what would I know I'm only a Chemical Engineer and you have Google.

Keiser said...

@NU
"But it wasn't the jet fuel fires which caused the failure of the steel supports; it was the hydrocarbon and plastic fires which burned at 1100 °C."

So in other words an office fires did it?

Also that temperature is a little high for a hydrocarbon and plastic fire without the presence of a strong oxidising agent. O2 in air would not stoke it as high 1100 °C and generally plastics don't burn above 550°C.

Also hydrocarbon is fuel NU like methane or petrol, what other "hydrocarbon" fuel was present other than Jet A1.



"The steel beams with the half inch fireproofing were only rated for 45 minutes. Many of the beams had had their fire proofing scraped off or it was not there in the first place, reducing the rating even further."

Actually no that's where you're wrong, the ASTM E119 standard requires several hours testing at 1093.33°C (or 2000°F).


"The jet fuel only burned for about ten minutes."

Exactly. Not enough time to derate the steel.

"Actually it was a high oxygen atmosphere and black smoke is not indicative of low temperatures. Black smoke fires can burn at 2000 °C."

No your comparing apples and oranges here, when a fuel burns with black smoke it is indicative of carbon being produced. Therefore that carbon is not being converted into CO or CO2 and therefore the fuel is not producing the maximum amount of energy it can. The carbon also has a cooling effect as it carries away some of the heat thus reducing the temperature.

Black smoke fires can burn at very high temperatures but that depends on the fuel and even if the fire is burning at a high temp it is still not burning at its maximum temp because the production of carbon instead of CO and indeed CO2 (for maximum calorific output).

You could save so much time by spending 4 years getting a B.Sc in Chem Eng.

Anonymous said...

Savant your blog. Has always being one of the most informative , and loads of information was usually obtained from your comment section, but it should be clear as daylight that NU and team brought a certain agenda with them. It is however very informative as a lesson in how a good blog gets infiltrated and made unpopular. However you're readers certainly caused NU some " butthurt".

Anonymous said...

It has probably already been stated, but most of the jet fuel was burned up on impact. That is the huge fireball you have seen in videos. Puff, the jet fuel was mostly gone upon impact.

Keiser said...

"It has probably already been stated".

Yes I mentioned that too Anon "vented to atmosphere" :-)

Anonymous said...

"The war has already begun. In a few short years we will be fighting for our lives, our country and our way of life."

Indeed. Here in the US blacks kill more Whites than the number that the UN considers as meaning an ongoing war in that country is taking place. Only the jew controlled media has managed to keep a lid on this. They entertain the gullible and unknowing Whites with smiling blacks on TV, smiling blacks judging, courts, dancing,selling products, jumping with balls or throwing balls, running with balls and with blacks screaming "White racist". All of this controlled by the sinister and diabolical jew.

Gem Junior said...

Anonymous 12:47
"Here in the US blacks kill more Whites than the number that the 'UN considers as meaning an ongoing war in that country is taking place' --

Is there really such data as numbers by the UN indicating war deaths? Where did you find it, I want to take a look. The blacks are on a hellbent mission to kill more whites than they ever did before and it's being ignored on an absolutely criminal manner by the anti-white government media Pravda tass complex. I really like the your last sentence "They entertain the gullible and unknowing Whites with smiling blacks on TV, smiling blacks judging, courts, dancing,selling products, jumping with balls or throwing balls, running with balls and with blacks screaming "White racist". All of this controlled by the sinister and diabolical jew" - well-said and well-put. Sums it ALL UP. But every day, every 24 hours which pass I see more and more whites waking up to this, more and more that are angry and willing to do something almost crazy, and more people talking against this. The simmering pot is starting to bubble.

Gem Junior said...

anyone who believes that larry silverstein wanted the firefighters to be taken out of the building so it could fall THEN, is a fucking asshole, moron, and retard, and cuntyhooks.
larry silverkike had the shit all wired up, and there is no other explanation. There is really no point in responding to this because in response the only answer will bee a post of bad language.

Thank God the Poontang Brothers have been given a mild warning to STFU or get moderated or banned, stupid whores.

Does anyone ever notice that so many Jewish names start with Pearl, Gold, Silver, Ruby, and other Jewels? And then the link between Jew and Jewelry and Jewry? I wonder if there is a link between them but it might be anti-Semitic to suggest it. I think they had their hands in trading jewelry almost as long as they were known as Jews.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Keiser 12:23

"So in other words an office fires did it?"

Yup. Lots of paper, wood and plastic.

"Also that temperature is a little high for a hydrocarbon and plastic fire without the presence of a strong oxidising agent. O2 in air would not stoke it as high 1100 °C and generally plastics don't burn above 550°C."

Au contraire: http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Jet_Fuel
The temperate at which the fired burned, however hot it was, was enough to weaken the steel structure of that part of the building so that all the floors above could collapse.

"Actually no that's where you're wrong, the ASTM E119 standard requires several hours testing at 1093.33°C (or 2000°F)."

Au contraire: http://www.debunking911.com/fires.htm <--- read the third image down, "results from nist sponsored tests".

"Exactly. Not enough time to derate the steel."

Correctamundo. The office fires took over the heating after this.

"No your comparing apples and oranges here, when a fuel burns with black smoke it is indicative of carbon being produced. Therefore that carbon is not being converted into CO or CO2 and therefore the fuel is not producing the maximum amount of energy it can. The carbon also has a cooling effect as it carries away some of the heat thus reducing the temperature."

Wrong: http://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-black-smoke-and-orange-flames-as-an-indicator-of-an-oxygen-starved-low-temp-fire.2373/

"Black smoke fires can burn at very high temperatures but that depends on the fuel and even if the fire is burning at a high temp it is still not burning at its maximum temp because the production of carbon instead of CO and indeed CO2 (for maximum calorific output)."

Who said it needs to burn at maximum temperature to still heat the steel?

"You could save so much time by spending 4 years getting a B.Sc in Chem Eng."

And you'd save so much time if you didn't need to believe that 911 was some kind of government/ Jewish plot.
There seems to have been an enormous amount of butthurt caused because of me saying that these buildings weren't brought down by a controlled demolition. I haven't seen that level of pain caused since I used to troll the Muslim forums ten years ago and debunk all the scientific claims of the Qu'ran. Then there was this Christian guy who went nuts because I explained to him the logical fallacies of his assertions.
This whole 911 thing is just another religious type belief, like how socialism became one or like how climate change became one.

You're one of the more reasonable people here and yet you still choose to stick to the absurdities. We're not going to win this war against the cultural Marxists unless we can be capable of putting forward logical, correct, bullet-proof cases. What chance do we have of being able to do that when the best of our talent is away with the fairies, convinced that every single event is some government/ illluminati/ Jewish conspiracy.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Gem Junior 14:13

"anyone who believes that larry silverstein wanted the firefighters to be taken out of the building so it could fall THEN, is a fucking asshole, moron, and retard, and cuntyhooks."

So you think he'd want the firefighters to stay in the building whilst it has the possibility of collapsing?

"larry silverkike had the shit all wired up, and there is no other explanation."

That's right, because he had a crystal ball which told him that a bit of burning plane would land on his building at some point in the future so that he could get an insurance payout which wouldn't cover the cost of reconstruction.
After he demolished the building he was absolutely kicking himself, because he then realised that he could have saved the multi-million dollar cost of the demolition by just letting the fire burn, rendering the building a total loss anyway and necessitating its demolition at a later stage.

"There is really no point in responding to this because in response the only answer will bee a post of bad language."

Bee? The only explanation for you writing that is that you are controlled by bees. Anyone who believes otherwise is, as you said, "a fucking asshole, moron, and retard, and cuntyhooks."

"Thank God the Poontang Brothers have been given a mild warning to STFU or get moderated or banned, stupid whores."

I haven't seen this yet. I shall go and have a look. See if all the whining and crying and self-harming paid off.

"Does anyone ever notice that so many Jewish names start with Pearl, Gold, Silver, Ruby, and other Jewels?"

Yes. That's some power of observation you have there.

"And then the link between Jew and Jewelry and Jewry?"

OMG I never noticed that :)

"I wonder if there is a link between them but it might be anti-Semitic to suggest it."

No, it isn't. It's just an observation.

"I think they had their hands in trading jewelry almost as long as they were known as Jews."

The horror of it. Imagine that! Trading in shiny stones which people like to buy! Whatever shall we do?

OMG I JUST NOTICED THAT YOUR NAME IS GEM JUNIOR. A GEM IS A JEWEL. YOU MUST BE A JEW. THIS IS AN UNDISPUTED FACT.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible to remedy the NU problem like this:-

Have a filter. The reader chooses to filter out comments from authors selecting by name e.g. 'NU'.
The content of the comments would not be shown.

Everyone can see who was blogging, but without the crap.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Keiser 11:38

Yeah, but you're a chemical engineer who believes in unscientific absurdities also.

I mean, a non-religious physicist is more credible than one who believes that pink ponies visit him at night.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@SAVANT 09:43

I can try and do that, but people are always coming out with stuff and posting links to stuff which is unrelated to the topic at hand, and people are always replying to them.

Are we supposed to ignore all posts which are unrelated to the stated topic?

Keiser said...

"...convinced that every single event is some government/ illluminati/ Jewish conspiracy."

I wouldn't go that far. However I notice that you critize people for using "truth" websites and yet you defer to "debunking911"

http://www.debunking911.com/fires.htm

I had a look at the NIST tables.

The standard rating is 45 mins with safety margin but they are tested for a lot longer than that.

This is however the standard rating with a temperatures at 2000 degrees F (1090 deg C approx). The NIST tests were at a maximum of 1300F and the towers burned a lot cooler so ASTM E119 would therefore offer longer than 45 mins.

Before I even read the blurb next to that table I noticed on the table itself the "failure did not occur" three asterisks.

This was conveniently explained by the writer as this

"if you note the test under "Failure to support load" there are three asterisks (***) which indicates that failure did not occur. What they don't stress is the fact that all four tests have fire proofing on the trusses. Note the fire rating with 1/2 inch spray on fire proofing is 45 minutes. Some trusses and columns in the towers impact zone had none."

"Some trusses and columns in the towers impact zone had none."

Even if they were exposed those temperatures both in the NIST test (1300F max) and a hot office fire (max about the same) should not have weakened ASTM E119 to cause catastrophic failure.

I could be wrong but I think that even looking at the videos and all the other evidence that the buildings were demolished by a very unique and specialist process.

I think it is more a international cabal of bankers (they just happen to be Jewish) that are behind it if that makes you feel better. It was engineered as a crisis and ties in with the preservation of the petrodollar. I think it was a neo-con effort to stir the Middle East, a New Pearl Harbour.

Isn't that obvious or did a few magic Arabs do it all.

Just like Libya, just like Syria, and now Iran (the world can't let them become Nuclear, Oh no, shock horror)

When is Israel going to give up its biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, which it has. John Kerry is very silent on that.

Keiser said...

"who believes that pink ponies visit him at night"

Actually the ones that visit me are White you asshole. :-)

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Keiser 14:55

"I wouldn't go that far. However I notice that you critize people for using "truth" websites and yet you defer to "debunking911""

That's because debunking911 is a truth website, not a "truth" website.

"The standard rating is 45 mins with safety margin but they are tested for a lot longer than that."

Some of the beams in the towers had no foam, even before the impact.

"This is however the standard rating with a temperatures at 2000 degrees F (1090 deg C approx). The NIST tests were at a maximum of 1300F and the towers burned a lot cooler"

The towers did not burn significantly lower than 1300F; they burned higher. A standard fire can burn at 1050C, which is 1900F. Even if we assume that the maximum temperatures were not reached, the temperatures were still high enough to weaken the steel.

"so ASTM E119 would therefore offer longer than 45 mins."

Even if the temperatures in the towers were lower than the NIST tests, that much of the steel was not covered by foam means that the 45 minute tested rating is now meaningless.

"Even if they were exposed those temperatures both in the NIST test (1300F max) and a hot office fire (max about the same) should not have weakened ASTM E119 to cause catastrophic failure."

ASTM E119 is a test, not a type, of steel. Hot office fires do not burn at 1300F; they can burn at 1900F. There was sufficient heat in the building to weaken the beams to the point that they failed.

"I could be wrong but I think that even looking at the videos and all the other evidence that the buildings were demolished by a very unique and specialist process."

Yeah, I've seen the videos too. Little flashes of light further down in the building, caused by panes of glass coming out and momentarily catching the sun. Little bangs here and there which could of course only be demolition charges going off, lol.

"I think it is more a international cabal of bankers (they just happen to be Jewish) that are behind it if that makes you feel better."

Of course, you have no evidence at all for this or any reason to believe it, and yet you do.

"It was engineered as a crisis and ties in with the preservation of the petrodollar."

Here you go again. No evidence, no actual reason to believe it. Just a feeling. A hope.
The thing is that they didn't need to go to even a fraction of the trouble of 911 in order to preserve the petrodollar. In any case, the petrodollar is in decline as a result of actions taken by countries which could not have been stopped by events on 911. China is busy setting itself up as the reserve currency.

"I think it was a neo-con effort to stir the Middle East"

Yeah right. no evidence and no actual reason to believe that apart from a feeling and a hope.

"a New Pearl Harbour."

Let me guess. That was a US government' Jewish plot as well.

"Isn't that obvious or did a few magic Arabs do it all."

Why do they have to be magic?

"Just like Libya, just like Syria, and now Iran (the world can't let them become Nuclear, Oh no, shock horror)"

It isn't smart to allow Muslims in general to have nukes, let alone allow your enemies to have nukes.

"When is Israel going to give up its biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, which it has. John Kerry is very silent on that."

Why should it? The moment it gives them up is the moment it ceases to exist. Would you throw your gun down if someone was trying to kill you?

Nastiest Uncle said...

Anyway, about political correctness.

It's being enforced like never before although today a woman was found not guilty of being racist for telling an Asian man to go back to his own country: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2433100/Commuter-told-Asian-man-f--country-Tube-outburst-caught-camera-NOT-GUILTY.html

People are fighting back against it though. Even on dating sites some people are stipulating that they don't want PC people to contact them.

katana said...

With Savant finally requesting order below and above decks, … here are some figures on user names and comment numbers for this month of September 2013 so far (the 27th).

Not exact, as it's just a guide. Apologies if I missed your user name.


TOTAL Comments 1818

TOTAL Identified Comments 1585

James said... 414
Nastiest Uncle said... 235
Keiser said... 170
Anonymous said... 156
Uncle Nasty said... 104
Frank Galton 98
Chick Hammer said... 53
Sponge Cake said... 43
Dan said... 41
DJF said... 24
Shaunantijihad said... 24
AnalogMan said... 21
SAVANT said... 21
kulak said... 17
Allan@Aberdeen 16
Marcion said... 16
parisclaims said... 16
katana said... 13
Gem Junior said... 12
Franz said... 9
Heraclitus said... 8
eleos said... 7
Nero said... 7
The Truth Will Out said... 6
Invictus said... 5
CongoMan said... 4
Lemmyhead 4
Robert in Arabia said... 4
Heathen Bastard said... 3
Iron Felix said... 3
marie said... 3
ProudPakistaniMan said... 3
Rick 3
Setanta said... 3
Julian said... 2
Mick said... 2
Rob said... 2
Roem said... 2
beppo said... 1
BJKahn said... 1
Brummie said... 1
Bull said... 1
Elaine said... 1
F McCool said... 1
Ivan said... 1
John W said... 1
merovingian said... 1
mischling said... 1
northern athiest said... 1

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Nastiest Uncle said...

@katana 16:08

Does mine included the ones who pretend to be me?

Keiser said...

@NU
"Why should it? The moment it gives them up is the moment it ceases to exist. Would you throw your gun down if someone was trying to kill you? "

Yet they expect Syria to?

"Even if the temperatures in the towers were lower than the NIST tests, that much of the steel was not covered by foam means that the 45 minute tested rating is now meaningless."

This is the problem misintrepretation.
ASTM E119 is tested without foam so the raing is valid.

Keiser said...

"ASTM E119 is a test, not a type, of steel"

Yes but for the sake of brevity it is convention to drop the "rated steel" after ASTM E119 Rated Steel.

Keiser said...

That's a lot of counting Katana but yes I agree quality over quantity.

Anonymous said...

Keiser said: “When is Israel going to give up its biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. John KERRY is very silent on that.”

“John KERRY is very silent on that. “

I wonder why?

John “Kerry” Kohn

Another “Paddy” to be added to the manifest to be...how do you say...”relocated” when the time comes.

LOL!

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

Re WTC7

Anyone with a pair of eyes can see it was a controlled demolition. Even Stevie Wonder said it was an inside job.

nastiestuncle should have gone to Specsavers.

ROTFLOL!!!

Frank Galton

Nastiest Uncle said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApqTko15BwI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr18PYagUIo

More controlled demolitions. - Stevie Wonder.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Keiser 18:44

"Yet they expect Syria to?"

It's reasonable to want your enemy to throw down his weapons.

"This is the problem misintrepretation.
ASTM E119 is tested without foam so the raing is valid."

The beams in the NIST test were tested with foam, not without it.
Some parts of beams in the towers were not covered by foam, meaning that they lost their strength even more quickly than the tested beams.

Anonymous said...

Jet fuel burns at 260 - 320 degC in open air but burns considerably higher in the turbine because the air of combustion is compressed. You see that fan-like thing at the entry to a jet engine - that's the first stage of a compressor and compressed air has more oxygen per unit volume than uncompressed air. Gas turbine blades are made of special alloys which have very high melting points.

For NU's benefit, this is a building fire, totally consumed but did not collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B1OnhSucP8

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVB4qvgon7M

Allan@Aberdeen

Anonymous said...

Keiser.

General Wesley “Clark” Kanne (Kohen) talking about a meeting in 1991 with Paul Wolfowitz , policy coup, PNAC etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha1rEhovONU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

LITTLE PUNKY JEW nastiestuncle said: “It's reasonable to want your enemy to throw down his weapons.”

Hear! Hear! nastiestuncle.

As Keiser said: “When is Israel [our enemy] going to give up its biological, chemical and nuclear weapons.”

LOL!

Israel 'supplied arms to Argentina DURING Falklands War'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8463934/Israel-supplied-arms-to-Argentina-during-Falklands-War.html

'A deep-rooted hatred of the British': How Israelis 'armed junta' in Falklands conflict

Gas masks, radar alert systems, air-to-air missiles and fuel tanks for fighter bombers were sent from Tel Aviv to arm General Galtieri’s forces. The most audacious deal involved supplying 23 French-built fighter aircraft – Mirage IIICs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379008/A-deep-rooted-hatred-British-How-Israelis-armed-junta-Falklands-conflict.html#ixzz2g7nXmXIP

Frank Galton

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Anonymous 20:36

Well, that all different buildings don't react to different fires in the same way proves that WTC was brought down by explosives. HAHA.

I was watching some car crash videos earlier as well. Most of the cars just crumpled at the front but one car was ripped in half. My conclusion is that it had demolition charges planted in it prior to the crash. HAHA.

Anonymous said...

LITTLE PUNKY JEW nastiestuncle said: “I was watching some car crash videos earlier as well.”

You weren’t by any chance watching Crash, nastiestuncle?

After getting into a serious car accident, a Tel Aviv gay rights activist discovers an underground sub-culture of scarred, omnisexual car-crash victims who use car accidents and the raw sexual energy they produce to try to rejuvenate his sex life with his Russian boyfriend.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115964/

ROTFLOL!!!

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

Again..... NU's coherent and honest analysis of 911 physics proves that he is indeed............ a DickHead .

SAVANT said...

katana, wow, that's some analysis.

Says it all really.

James and NU, please continue to comment. But just don't hijack the threads as katana's analysis underlines.

The main problem I think is that both of you seem obliged to come back on whatever the other one said, a kind of a yah/boo syndrome.

Anonymous said...

http://exitwhitepower.com/

A site that is likely a faecal peristaltic product of the BnaiBrith.

Read "Do jews control the media".

jewgel 'abc symbol'..

Read its history.... A lissajous ? go figure....

See the "Double cross" ? Note that ABC sums to 6..

Conclusion.... The Australian Broadcasting Commission is a Zionist 911 IXXI event designed to mislead and damage the interests of European Australians. Its content is largely Kosher Filth and Pious Priggery. Judaism demands the diasporisation of the Goyische world and a fully 'jewish' global government

Exit White Power, (Code for exit specifically White self determination ) confirms it is headed by a jew as is the SBS. The feigned indignation of the liar confirms that EWP is fully jewish.

Heraclitus said...

But every day, every 24 hours which pass I see more and more whites waking up to this, more and more that are angry and willing to do something almost crazy, and more people talking against this. The simmering pot is starting to bubble.

Gem Junior: IT IS! I can see it. A great beast is awakening. No, there is little evidence of a fight back yet. But THERE IS AN AWAKENING. God grant it will grow until we can throw off these fetters.

I also retain the hope that we can undo the damage without excessive violence, ideally with none at all. I realise many here would not subscribe to this position but it would be better for society were it to be.

Having said that the thought of Blair and his co-conspirators locked up would bring me great joy.

Keiser said...

This is the last I will say on this

NU said...
"Some parts of beams in the towers were not covered by foam, meaning that they lost their strength even more quickly than the tested beams."

Correct but the ASTM E119 rating is still valid so that steel would not have been derated sufficiently by the temperatures present in an office fire or a Jet A1 open air fire.

Baloo said...

Beautifully succinct. I've reblogged it here, with an appropriate greme (graphic meme).
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2013/09/political-correctness-is-even-worse.html

Noachideous said...

The jews are right at the moment on the telavision whining that 'guns' create a culture of violence.

They won't admit, that in the metaphysical, their lies, virtuous in Judaism, are the root cause of all 'violence'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmOIzXZyIYo

The jews fly the flag of Saturn, Father of Truth...., yet rape the daughter of the very god whom they claim to revere, be a friend and drink at his table.

Bully, who thought 13 was his lucky number as taught in judasim, was not so 'fucking' lucky after all.

And yet they blame all things on the "Goyim" and "Anti-Semitism".

Anonymous said...

Savant said: “katana, wow, that's some analysis.”

Savant, the league table doesn’t include ‘own goals’. If did nastiestuncle would be at the bottom of the table, just below ‘ProudPakistaniMan’.

ROTFLOL!

James said... 414
Nastiest Uncle said... 235
Keiser said... 170
Anonymous said... 156
Uncle Nasty said... 104

ProudPakistaniMan said... 3

Frank Galton

Anonymous said...

Not to mention the specific heat of steel.

How much jet fuel burned perfectly with loss free transmission of its heat content would it take to heat 1 kg of steel 1 degree centigrade.

Anonymous said...

The jews believe themselves to be 'god' incarnate. They do as they please, providing they're not brought into ill repute.... as was Bully. Ironically, the gematria of Uncle Bully equates to 21 by 2 or 42..... the number of the jewish 'god'...... or so they say.

False Flag ?

When arguing the 'holler oost' we can argue one thing truthfully.... That the number '6 million' is as much a forensically verified fact that this Jesus Christ, JC or gematria 13 was born on the 25 th of the 12 th , derived of the fact that 25 12 is the sum and gematraic product of 13 out of JC....

The truth of the 6 million is that it is a religiously derived number.

Europeans are disappearing because they have no interest in Truth and the protection of its virtues. Statues are often in the image of a tastefully near naked and virtuous female.

The jews have our females doing the slut walk... Gematria 42. Not wives, mothers and bearers of the future, but shagged out and STD infested wholes who've seen more pricks than a second hand dart board..... Beauuuuuutiful....

The jews have great interest in truth, but only for the purposes of its rape, defilement, filthification and suicide.

Uncle Nasty said...

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Anonymous said...

Is it possible to remedy the NU problem like this:-

Have a filter. The reader chooses to filter out comments from authors selecting by name e.g. 'NU'.
The content of the comments would not be shown.

Everyone can see who was blogging, but without the crap.


Oh, Lord ... I'd pay money. By the time I've clicked off the hasbarat's posts my finger wants to fall off ...

While we're at it, Katana's post of comment frequency is a killer. Is that an app, a feature, or did you count the buggers by hand?

Having said that, I note with amazement, my count of 104 posts ... too many?

Also interesting, I have noted -- and am sure that many others have as well -- that all one has to do is mention "9/11" in any thread to evoke a virtual shitstorm (and I mean that, literally) of endless hasbara comment.

No other subject triggers this hair-trigger reaction.
Obviously a very sensitive one for the handlers -- "9/11 = panic. Stomp on it at all costs."

Action ... immediate counter-reaction -- and obfuscation.

This alone tells a story.

UN

James said...

Sure Savant,

actually I've had enough of this crap.

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