Tuesday, 26 April 2011

Oklahoma bombing: Did you know?

The story of the Oklahoma bombing always seemed fairly clearcut to me. Timothy McVeigh confessed to blowing it up with a truck bomb comprised of oil and fertilizer. Must say, I never really questioned it. Having said that, I was amazed that such a crude device could cause such damage. I compared it to the way Belfast’s Europa Hotel was regular attacked with far more sophisticated, more powerful and better placed devices than that in Ok. Yet the Europa never suffered any structural damage despite repeated attacks.

Strange, but not compelling.

Now strong expert evidence says that the MvVeigh device could not have done that damage. And it seems that in fact there were multiple devices in the building. They were reported initially by the security forces and local TV. Then a comprehensive silence descended on the topic. The multiple devices were airbrushed from the public consciousness and from the McVeigh trial. The site was then rapidly demolished and the wreckage removed and buried.

Sound familiar?

Check this clip.

Note that the "terrorism expert" and the end of this clip Dr. Randall Heather was never seen on TV again and can't be found on Google (except in relation to this appearance.)

What is going on?

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sav got an hour? You could do worse than listen to Michaelcollinspiper.podbean.com of the 20th April on OKC bombing. If you can handle that start looking into the vicsim situation.

Bemused stare said...

The US Gov. has used false flag ops as far back as the Philippines in the late 1800's. Probably long before even that.

Anonymous said...

Why would the US Gov do that? The 'white resistance' that McVeigh represented was/is miniscule (more's the pity).

Hackney said...

Quote: “As Ted Gunderson proved, the device that did the most damage was inside the building, and very sophisticated. The only kind of institutions that could get/make such a device were (and still are) either governments, or trans-national organizations with big money”.

Derek said...

Disturbing reading. Bemused stare that is a very valid point. Gulf of Tonkin or USS Maine come to mind. Not to mention countless incidents with regard to Castro's Cuba.

Anonymous said...

Savant, you can read the report submitted to Congress by retired Brig. General Benton R. Partin here: http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm
The Partin report states that the Murrah Federal Building was brought down by four demolition charges placed at key locations inside the building. Needless to say, this theory did not become the accepted explanation for the collapse.

Anonymous said...

If this story is true, it appears as all may not be as we were told:

http://www.phinehasfury.com/2011/04/my-experience-at-the-okc-bombing-recovery-effort/#more-335

Cycling Tales 2009 said...

it gets more interesting

http://a12iggymom.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/oklahoma-city-bomber-threatened-within-prison-walls/

Bemused stare said...

@Anon 23:46

I have to wonder if you have been paying attention for, say the last thirty or forty years. Or if you are both delightfully and frighteningly naive all at the same time.

Allow me to explain. The government that everyone thinks are the "good guys", are not. Those not so good guys, are a lot less tolerant of dissent than you may imagine. It may shock you to realize that there are people in that governments service who have a level of decency that would make a pimp from Lagos blush.

Did you miss the recent story about the ATF? The one in which they sold guns to Mexican gangs (one of which was used to murder a US border agent), in order to lay the grounding for increased gun control laws in the States?

I think your question ought to be, "why wouldn't the US Gov do that?"

Anonymous said...

One thing I dont get though. How do you get a large number of agents to commit a crime like this, especially when they know they'd be cut adrift and possibly face the death sentence of they got found out? There's no easy answer to this.

Anonymous said...

How do you get a large number of agents to commit a crime like this, especially when they know they'd be cut adrift and possibly face the death sentence of they got found out?

Sting operation that either backfired or was exploited by interested parties with men on the inside of the op.

Why would the US Gov do that?

Excuse for assuming more power with the legislation that followed.

Anonymous said...

Was it the ATF bomb squad who just happened to have a golf day in Oklahoma City that very day such thta the experts could be on scene in no time at all compared to if they ahd been scattered all over the US?

john said...

All and anonymous 15:15.

There is NO question that McVeigh, if even in the vicinity, was a fall guy. The ATF did this. Period. Even if you discount night janitor's testimony directly after the explosion that they SAW people in the building, in the dark, with flashlights in different corners of the building the night before, or that no ATF personnel's children happened to be in the child center that day, or that statements immediately after , by those that should know, stated flatly that this was not the work of a single individual nor a single explosion only to be contradicted almost immediately after 'briefing' , or that photos are extant of McVeigh working on a rental truck at an Army installation 6 months AFTER he was allegedly released from the military, or, or, or...Then one would HAVE to be convinced that such was an impossibility given the report by an Air Force General who proved that the physical properties of the alleged, single bomb, could NOT have even begun to do this damage. And don't you find it interesting that almost overnight, a 600+ page "anti-terrorism" bill was ready and rushed thru congress suspending and eliminating civil liberties? The alleged "white separatists/patriot" as the scapegoat was just icing on the spin cake.
I live approximately 2 hours from the site - trust me, no one in their right mind believes the official story.

Franz said...

Only a few short years ago, I had little patience for those claiming that 9/11 was an inside job. Well, since then our betters have done their best to amply demonstrate their evil intentions.

I now no longer have doubts that our overlords would willingly sacrifice some "little people" in a false flag attack in order to advance their agenda.

However, one little detail gives me pause when indulging in such thoughts: Given how inept governments generally are (beginning a war in Lybia and promptly running out of ammunition, for example), how could they pull of the 9/11s, the Oklahoma Cities, the London subway attacks without it becoming public knowledge?

Granted, mainstream reporters and editors wouldn't know what to do with a cache of 9/11 conspiratorial data if it bit them, but there are myriads of bloggers - not to mention wikileaks - which would gladly seek their 15 minutes of fame by exposing a false flag attack.

Something feels wrong about those "inside job" theories, but I can't point out what exactly.

One thing which always struck me as odd about Oklahoma City is that we are supposed to believe that Timothy McVeigh thought it a good idea to begin the second American revolution by blowing up a building which he knew to contain plenty women and children.

If the attack had been a genuine outgrowth of the militia movement in the 90s and a "revenge for Waco", it's likely target would have been some highly symbolic, nationally known building WITHOUT a daycare center within. After all, white Americans, even white American revolutionaries commonly abhorr the notion of killing babies.

The only thing I am sure of is that the official explanations for events such as Oklahoma City or 9/11 will be commonly accepted as bunk 20 years from now. Much like the Warren report about the Kennedy assasination.

P.S. I just watched the chairsatan Ben Shalom Bernanke stumble through his first press conference. Hillarious! Every word he uttered drove my gold and silver positions to new highs. Too bad he and his ilk are intent on dragging all of us down the toilet with them.

OCCLUDED said...

ANON 17.39. HOW DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION RE WHY SHOULD AGENTS DO SUCH AN EVIL/RISKY THING?

Anonymous said...

Bemused stare said...

<i>@Anon 23:46

I have to wonder if you have been paying attention for, say the last thirty or forty years. Or if you are both delightfully and frighteningly naive all at the same time.

I am afraid I have to agree.

I, once again, give you the name Lon Horiuchi. The Hawaiian born FBI agent who murdered Vickie Weaver in front of literally dozens of witnesses and who has never lost a day's pay or received even one day's suspension ... never mind being tried.

The wikipedia version:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

A slightly less adulatory version:-

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=1440

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Bemused stare said...

Occluded, please don't type so loudly, you're deafening my eyeballs.

@ Anon 15:15
To get your answer you have to understand the level of corruptness in the government.

Take a look here,
http://www.treygarrison.com/2011/03/atf-bottom-feeders-supplying-guns-to-mexican-gangs/

These are ATF people (who are supposed to protect you from guns being used by criminals), supplying criminals with guns. Some of the guns killing people in crimes taking place in American cities were supplied by the ATF!

You might be shocked to find there are some world class scumbags in the government.

Barack's non-existant birth-certificate said...

You folks are gonna have to come up with more solid stuff to "prove" the conspiracy angle - most people will simply find it too incredible. I most certainly do, and I don't think I have a closed mind.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

One thing I dont get though. How do you get a large number of agents to commit a crime like this, especially when they know they'd be cut adrift and possibly face the death sentence of they got found out? There's no easy answer to this.

I thought I had responded to this, but my post seems to have vanished.

Two Words: Lon. Horiuchi.

Wikipedia entry:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

An FBI sharpshooter who not only murdered Randy Weaver's wife, Vickey in front of literally dozens of witnesses -- never receiving a day's suspension or even being docked a day's pay but was in on the kill at another little federal clusterfuck -- the Branch Davidian massacre the following year in Waco (1993)

The surviving members of the Weaver family received $3.1M in 1995 to settle their civil suit brought against the U.S. government for wrongful deaths of Sammy and Vicki Weaver. In the out-of-court settlement, the government did not admit any wrong-doing. Harris received $380,000 in 2000*

*Wikipedia -- my emphasis.

Also recommended -- should you wish to read of how thoroughly subverted are all branches of the US Justice department:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

I should point out that Wikipedia cannot be accused of hostility or unfriendliness toward the US govt. So, coming from them, this is pretty condemnatory.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

PS. Hopefully this goes some small way to answering OCCLUDED's question.

UN

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Savant, you can read the report submitted to Congress by retired Brig. General Benton R. Partin here: http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm

One thing that cannot be emphasised enough is that Partin (above) was and is regarded as the authority on military and commercial explosives ... in fact anything that goes Kaboom. He is the expert's expert.

Partin's own words to Trent Lott:-

"Conclusion: Based on my experience in weapons development and bomb damage analysis, and on my review of all evidence available, I can say, with a high level of confidence, that the damage pattern on the reinforced concrete superstructure could not possibly have been attained from the single truck bomb. The total incompatibility of this pattern of destruction with a single truck bomb lies in the simple, incontrovertible fact that some of the columns collapsed that should not have collapsed if the damage were caused solely by a truck bomb, and, conversely, some of the columns were left standing that should have collapsed if the damage had been caused solely by the truck bomb.

It is my hope and request that, as a Member of Congress, you will support a Congressional investigation to determine the true initiators of this bombing, which could not have occurred the way in which it has been portrayed as having happened. Further, it is requested that you defer action and reserve judgment on socalled antiterrorism legislation that has serious civil liberties implications, and which would not be passed except for the Oklahoma City bombing until the causes of the Oklahoma City disaster are determined by independent investigators.

Both the Federal Building in Oklahoma and the Trade Center in New York (See New York Times, October 28, 1993, p. A1) show evidence of a counterterrorism sting gone wrong.

No government law enforcement agency should be permitted to demolish, smash and bury evidence of a counterterrorism sting operation, sabotage or terrorist attack without a thorough examination by an independent, technically competent agency."


Notice the reference to burying evidence ... something that happened with almost indecent haste after 9/11.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the 9/11 rubble actually exported out of the country?

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

SAVANT said...

All, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. I just cite a few very odd facts which raise suspicions.

SAVANT said...

Uncle Nasty - the Lon Horiuchi thing is totally different. Whatever way you look at it, Ruby Ridge was a gunfight between two sides. Split second decisions may have to be made. There will always be ambivalence in such cases.

The OKC bombing is totally different. This would have to have been planned well in advance with the certain knowledge that huge numbers of innocects, including children, will be killed and maimed.

In such cases an agent will know, assuming he's evil enough to go along with it, that he faces terrible punishment if it goes wrong. He also knows that the powers that be will hang him out to dry in order to protect their own asses.

Anonymous said...

Dr Judy Wood has just published her book.

hooker said...

A lot of suspicious stuff here but in my mind theres no masjor conspiracy. Too much risdk for too little to gain.

Anonymous said...

As this thread seems to attract quite a few non sequiturs from anonymous posters, it seems that we should perhaps define the word "Conspiracy"

From Merriam -- Webster:-

con·spir·a·cy
Pronounced:
Function: noun
Inflected forms: plural con·spir·a·cies

Meaning:
1 [count] : a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal

2 [noncount] : the act of secretly planning to do something that is harmful or illegal

While we're at it:

Definition of NON SEQUITUR

1: an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically: a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent

2: a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said.

Now we can move on.

Uncle Nasty.

PS ... and while we're at it:

hooker said...

A lot of suspicious stuff here but in my mind theres no masjor conspiracy. Too much risdk for too little to gain.


What risk?

When you own the police, the military, literally dozens of regulatory and enforcement organisations and NGO's, the so-called justice system, the control of currency and wealth, the mainstream media and are working full time on having the only credible monopoly on armed violence ... what fucking risk?

And "too little to gain"? How about everything to gain?

UN

Anonymous said...

Here, by the way is a bit of chilling news.

The Thug Report ... a blog that publishes the news -- in particular the racial makeup of crime -- that the MSM do not dare touch has either been hacked or shut down.

http://www.thugreport.com/

this was reported in Stuff Black People Don't Like
who also pointed out that McDonalds, the Ptomaine Palace have just started their 365Black campaign (this is not a joke) ...

What Happens When a Nation goes 365Black: One Million People Apply for 50,000 Jobs at McDonald's.

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

Another favourite race-realist site that's gone wonky is deadniggerstorage.

Message:- Hostname lookup for "deadniggerstorage.org" failed

Chimpout and Iamanenglishman are still okay for now.

Savant ... be careful. I think this may be the beginning of a trend. Hope there's backup in place.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

SAVANT said...

@UN: Thanks, I know the risks. In fact I frequently experience a variety of problems which to me seem like interference but I'm not 100% sure. I don't doubt that the Power sees the Internet as the one area outside their thought control remit and are actively pursuing ways to control it, just like they did with the MSM. Thanks for the heads -up anyway!

SAVANT said...

Just had an email from Teacher Paris saying he's been blocked from posting/commenting on any Google site. So it seems now they're tracking 'offensive' commentators as well, not just offensive sites. This is getting scary.

RegThe Hedge said...

Sorry for the diversion (yet again)


http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/equipo/Atapuerca/considera/hay/revisar/mapa/evolucion/humana/elpepusoc/20110428elpepusoc_3/Tes

I found a blogg that discusses the above link. Not a friggin single article about this very important work because of the bastard multicult zealots. Guess where the opposition to publication is strongest, yes, the Anglo saxon scientific community. What the fuck is wrong with English speaking people?

The thought that we are all from Africa must be comforting to the parents of a stupid white girl who takes to a negros bed. Imagine if we have nothing to do with negros, further imagine if whites evolved completely separately. Would the stupid white girl (or boy for that matter) then look at their partner and see an ape?

Anonymous said...

Occluded, I'll answer that by answering Franz.

how could they pull of the 9/11s, the Oklahoma Cities, the London subway attacks without it becoming public knowledge?

Was the election of Obama a conspiracy?

He had backers, and an election team, certainly.

And he had voters.

And the voters only knew what they needed to know.

It's just not necessary that most or even many people involved in some action know who else is involved or what they are doing or why they themselves are doing what they're doing.

They just need to stay on task.

Low level state agents are as oblivious as the average voter. Their egos and self-importance are stroked just like voters', so they don't ask questions.

The logistics of executing what are called conspiracies are no different than the logistics of any other op. The only difference is the honesty and loyalty of a few key people.

RegThe Hedge said...

Forgot the link....
http://smnws.blogspot.com/2011/04/branch-of-hominids-european-identity.html

white4ever said...

@RtH. I've read about this research before and am amazed (shul I be?) at how the mainstream scientific media have avoided it. This, if true, would undermine one of the founding myths of anthropology - that we all originated in Africa. The fact that it has not been med by a fusillade of abuse and vituperations suggests to me that the so-called scientific community believe it to be a legitimate finding. Hence best ignored.

OCCLUDED said...

LOOK, MY POINT AND THAT OF THE OTHERS IS THIS. WHY SHOULD A LOW/MEDIUM LEVEL AGENT PUT HIS LIFE IN DANGER BY TAKING PART IN SOMETHING LIKE THE okc BOMBING? THINK ABOUT IT. HOW DO YOU INDUCE A GUY TO ACTUALLY DO THAT? AND HOW LIKLEY IS IT THAT HE'LL TALK OR GIVE THE GAME AWAY SOME WAY?

JUST SAYIN'

Anonymous said...

WHY SHOULD A LOW/MEDIUM LEVEL AGENT PUT HIS LIFE IN DANGER BY TAKING PART IN SOMETHING LIKE THE okc BOMBING?

They same reasons they put their life in danger for any other op.

AND HOW LIKLEY IS IT THAT HE'LL TALK OR GIVE THE GAME AWAY SOME WAY?

It's not in evidence that he's in on it.

Anonymous said...

testing...

I wonder if the google cunts are censoring again.

Simon Q said...

Testing...

Ammonium Nitrate

Bomb

Mugabe

Bemused stare said...

Occluded, before I enter that I would like to ask you a question or two.

1) Is your capslock key stuck?
2) Are you of majority age?
3) Would you be comfortable with an explanation using block diagrams or would a format similar to the layout of a Dr Seuss book be more appropriate?

I am a patient man and will endeavor to enlighten you on such matters but I will need some input on how best to go about that.

OCCLUDED said...

@REG THE FUCKING HEDGE. I USE UPPERCASE BECAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER AND ITS MY INTENTION TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.

NOW HOW EXACTLY HAVE YOU ANSWERED OUR QUESTION? APART FROM SOME VAGUE TALK THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE NOT ALL GOOD PEOPLE AND HAVE DONE FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS AGAINST FOREIGNERS BEFORE. THAT DOES NOT EXPLAIN OUR QUESTION.

WHICH IS: HOW CAN ORDINARY AMERICAN AGENTS BE INDUCED TO CARRY OUT ATROCITIES AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE, OFTEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN? I EMPHASIZE ORDINARY AGENTS - THE FOOT SOLDIERS.

SO THE KEY POINTS ARE: ORDINARY AGENTS, ATROCITIES, ANND THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Franz said...

@ Occluded & Bemused Stare

Actually I think it should be rather easy to recruit agents for such false flag attacks such as Oklahoma City.

Many disturbed individuals - and not only in the USA - gravitate towards law enforcement and the armed forces. I'm sure you have noticed yourself that a certain percentage of those donning uniforms and/or badges are bullies, suffer from inferiority complexes or carry other mental baggage.

My point is this: How would you - were you the guy in charge of the flase flag department - make sure that all of the disturbed individuals whom you utilized in a flase flag attack will shut up and do so for the rest of their lives?

You could not liquidate them all, for this would cause a mutiny within the ranks of, say, the CIA. You could pay them off generously, but still not be sure that none of your foot soldiers wants to get famous or make a death bed confession.

Total silence seems impossible to achieve. If not so, we wouldn't know that there is such a thing as a "Cosa Nostra". If a Sicilian secret society cannot shut up forever, who can?

That is the reason why I still retain an amount of scepticism towards some of the more outlandish theories about false flag attacks.

P.S. Ben Bernanke aka Benocide aka Chairsatan aka The Bernank has done it again: He gave a speech at the "Community Affairs Research Conference" (whatever that is) and !poof! Gold went to the moon. Just prior to plunging the world into the abyss, he shall make me rich for few fleeting seconds before I spot the mushroom clouds on the horizon... Thanks Benocide!

Jeremy said...

That's a good point Franz about disturbed individuals and the 'security' services. I've noticed that myself. Wonder how they make the transition though to saying 'right, we're going to blow up 150 innocent American men women and children.'

Franz said...

@ Jeremy

I think a majority of cops/agents/soldiers ply their trade because it is a job and you can retire early and so all is good.

Then there are the 110 percenters who seem to have an inborn desire to protect something, anything. They are like well bred sheperd dogs who instinctively are constantly looking out for persons, animals or objects to be shielded from danger. The best cops probably recognize themselves in this description.

Finally there are the formerly troubled kids and now grown up tyrants who should have been prevented from reaching a position of authority.

They want a uniform because it allows them to boss others around, demand deference where respect is not freely given and have the opportunity to use baton and gun and get away with it.

Those are the guys that gleefully jump at any opportunity to "neutralize" people's dogs because they purpotedly "endanger" the law officer. I guarantee you: In 50 percent of the cases where cops shoot some citizen's pet, the cop in question is a sick individual who could have hit an aggressive animal with his maglite but used his gun because he likes to see the owner crying.

People like that - and the East Germans had a lot of experience with them - really don't need much convincing to blow up 150 women and children. They get an order, have fun executing it and boast afterwards that the could have "done" 150 more.

They are creeps. Every society has them. Even if advanced pschological tests were able to prevent them from aussuming positions of authority, I fear governments would continue to employ these disturbed people for they seem to be useful tools to control and intimidate the hoi polloi.

Anonymous said...

OCCLUDED said...

LOOK, MY POINT AND THAT OF THE OTHERS IS THIS. WHY SHOULD A LOW/MEDIUM LEVEL AGENT PUT HIS LIFE IN DANGER BY TAKING PART IN SOMETHING LIKE THE okc BOMBING? THINK ABOUT IT. HOW DO YOU INDUCE A GUY TO ACTUALLY DO THAT? AND HOW LIKLEY IS IT THAT HE'LL TALK OR GIVE THE GAME AWAY SOME WAY?

JUST SAYIN'

Franz makes an extremely valid point regarding disturbed individuals acquiring corporate or official power and influence so they can finally do the bullying that they have never had the credibility -- or the balls -- to do on their own.

"I'm sure you have noticed yourself that a certain percentage of those donning uniforms and/or badges are bullies, suffer from inferiority complexes or carry other mental baggage.

Too true, kangaroo. I dealt with more than my fair share of the type when encountering the old SA Police. In particular the Brixton Murder and Robbery squad. Howzit, you bunch of fucking thugs?

Anyway, back to the KAPSLOCK KING.

It's very simple. A certain type of person works for -- and thrives in -- government. The kind of person who is not too encumbered with critical faculties. The kind of person whose world revolves completely around his paycheck. The kind of person who, deep in their shrivelled little souls, are aware -- more than anyone else -- of their complete and utter lack of anything approaching talent, integrity competence or initiative. They love being told exactly what to do -- which is why they work for the state.

The kind of person whose only ambition is to move up the ladder, secure his pay -- plus thirteenth cheque, pay off his credit card, have a larger swatch of carpet and a bigger pot plant in his office and one or two menials to boss around and the word "Supervisor" on the door. The kind of person who, if male, watches Top Gear, and if female watches Oprah.. Both of them will watch "Dancing with the Stars" and "CSI"

Taking that further, the kind of person who will give an 80 year old pensioner a thousand pound fine -- and a heart attack -- for putting her rubbish in the wrong container.

The kind of NGO spokesthing, who, when caught in a particularly egregious act -- like allowing dozens or hundreds of wrongful deaths from difficile infection at NHS hospitals because the Nigerian and Filipino nurses couldn't be arsed to, you know, clean the hospital; will deny all wrongdoing until told to give up and utter the time-worn (particularly pommie) weasel phrase:- "Lessons have been learned. Let's move on."

The kind of person who, let's say, shoots -- together with a half-dozen colleagues (or accomplices, if you will) -- a Brazilian electrician several times in the head on the London Underground and then swears blind that he was carrying a bomb and wearing a jacket with wires dangling from it.

The kind of person who is sick of being a low/medium level agent and wants, after ten or fifteen years of mediocre performance, and is now desperate to move one rung up the ladder. Or, failing that, drag everyone else down.

You know. The kind of person who keeps referring to "our" question when he means "my" question, as though he heads a committee of trolls, rather than being one on his own. The kind of person who thinks he makes a stronger point by typing in caps.

You know. A desperate mediocrity with delusions of adequacy and a touch of ambition.

Just answerin'

Uncle Nasty

Bemused stare said...

@Franz

blackmail tends to be a fairly effective tool in maintaining silence. Remember, if you have a habit of recruiting sick puppies, then a certain percentage will have past exploits that don't bear mentioning in polite company.

Anonymous said...

Franz said...

@ Occluded & Bemused Stare

Actually I think it should be rather easy to recruit agents for such false flag attacks such as
Oklahoma City.

Many disturbed individuals - and not only in the USA - gravitate towards law enforcement and the

armed forces. I'm sure you have noticed yourself that a certain percentage of those donning
uniforms and/or badges are bullies, suffer from inferiority complexes or carry other mental
baggage.

My point is this: How would you - were you the guy in charge of the flase flag department - make sure that all of the disturbed individuals whom you utilized in a flase flag attack will shut up and do so for the rest of their lives?


It is frighteningly simple, Franz.

Inform them that they are part of an elite, and that the lower ranks -- and outsiders -- will never
understand the sacrifices they are making here, today. Flatter the ego and sense of inclusivity as
well as exclusivity.

Look at the brainwa (God damn, I could use stikeout), sorry, training given to the US Marines. It is the cult of the group against the barbarians. The group against the designated enemy du jour.

The group against the outsider; the Unbeliever; The Infidel.
Finally, the group against everyone. Everyone else who is not the Group.

Convince a non-thinker that he or she is an unsung hero ... tell them every day of the sacrifices
they are making. Tell them that the great unwashed will never understand ... and must never
know. Repeat as necessary.

And never forget the value of training, grinding, into them ... instant and unquestioning obedience.
And you've got them. Right there in the palm of your hand -- whenever you need them.
Fundamentalist religions use this every day and have done so for millennia.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Jeremy said...

That's a good point Franz about disturbed individuals and the 'security' services. I've noticed that myself. Wonder how they make the transition though to saying 'right, we're going to blow up 150 innocent American men women and children.'

Every "Security" person is given training and a weapon of some sort ... a symbol of power. It may just be a badge and a baton -- or it may be full body armour and an MP5.

They take their first step on the road to murdering one person, or 150, or 1500 on the day that they belt someone with the baton ... and don't get belted back.

... and find that they quite enjoyed it.

After that, it's just a matter of degree and conscience -- if any.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

john said...

@ bemused stare - in re first post. False flag operations before the late 1800's are probably pretty rare to non existent in this country. America was still America before 1865.
@ occluded. your question is somewhat difficult to give anecdotal or empirical evidence for, as no one here would ever consider doing such. BUT, its very easy to imagine, even without theories of mind control. The agents are sold a bill of goods that its for "the greater good" . Or that "ya gotta break some eggs to make an omelet". Or "its your duty".They are promised promotions. Their superiors have something on them. The actual saboteurs are not ATF agents themselves, but "sympathetic allies" like mossad. "Theyre just doing their job". The directly responsible individuals are given an entirely false set of stories and once the deed is done must be quiet to cover themselves lest they be fed to the wolves and implicated individually, because we all KNOW that the govt wouldnt do such a thing... The list is endless and really doesnt require much imagination to envision.
And dear Mr Savant, I must respectfully disagree in that ruby ridge was NOT a gunfight where split second decisions had to be made. It was well planned and orchestrated for political gain at the cost of innocent civilian citizens.

Anonymous said...

I recommend this fellow ... Fred on Eveything. A good sane writer.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Baltimore.shtml

especially this article:-

Bad Time in Baltimore
A Time for Attention

I found on the Drudge Report yesterday a cell-phone video of yet another attack against whites by feral blacks in the cities, in this case Baltimore, where in a McDonald’s two black females kicked a white girl into convulsions, presumably due to brain damage. It seems there was a dispute over precedence for the rest room.

We all know of the incident. Read Fred's comment in the rest of the article.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

RegThe Hedge said...

OCCLUDED said...

@REG THE FUCKING HEDGE. I USE UPPERCASE BECAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER AND ITS MY INTENTION TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.

It looks better? Not to me or anybody else reading it.
And, since you are posting for others to read your comments then you should temper your input for others not so you can reread what you post.
Either way do what you want I won't be reading your capitalised posts any more.

btw you mixed me up with Bemused stare, it doesn't matter really because I along with most others here (I'm sure) don't think a jammed caps lock is a good thing.

Henry IX said...

Jesus, if that barrage doesn't get poor old OCCLUDED to drop his caps lock, nothing will!

Franz said...

Uncle Nasty corrected my sin of omission by pointing you all to the work of Fred Reed. He is - in my humble opinion - the greatest collumnist since H.M. Mencken.

The fact that Fred Reed does his writing sans pay and in relative obscurity while Paul "never-had-an-original-thought-and-proud-of-it" Krugman gets the big bucks for spreading his drivel via the New York Times tells you all you need to know about the twisted world we live in.

To spare some of you disappointment: Fred Reed is not a white nationalist, but simply an extremely gifted and intelectually honest realist.

Franz said...

@ Uncle Nasty

While we - you very eloquently, me struggling as usual - are venting about the bad apples in law enforcement, we should not fail to point out that there are many valuabe individuals in uniform.

A couple of weeks ago I was stopped by a lady cop, because I was talking on the cell phone while driving. I could tell that she was irked to hastle a member of "team citizen" as opposed to someone from "team bad guys". Consequently she oversaw the fact that I didn't have any seatbelts on which is - in Germany at least - a violation and grounds for another fine.

That showed me once more that many cops do not agree with the politically correct idea of police work which seems to consist of extratcting fines from citizens and leaving the criminals alone.

I do hope that - in the case of a "camp of saints " confrontation - large numbers within the uniformed castes will passively disobey orders by playing dumb and aiming high or actively object and end their career right on the spot.

Have you heard of John Steward Rhodes in the USA? He formed an association called "Oathkeepers" which has several thousand members among cops an the military. The oathkeepers openly announce their intention to disobey unconstitutional orders, like disarming the populace.

If it was for me to decide, I would replace all appointed police bigwigs with popularly elected sherrifs.

Places with hardworking, godfearing inhabitants would elect sherrifs who are tough on crime but lenient on traffic stops.

Places inhabited by delusional liberals would elect therapists as sherrifs and reap the consequence of a vast crime wave which in turn would go a long way toward correcting liberal delusions.

Places like Detroit would likely elect crooks who promise "no 'mo arresting da black children" and see law enforcement as an entrepreneurial activity. Such a choice would only hasten Detroit's descent into the Congo basin, but that was inevetable anyway.

Of course, electing sherrifs in South Africa would probably result in a case 3 scenario, so scratch that.

thor said...

I think Franz and UN have given me a new insight into how the mind's of many 'law enforcers' work. I'm more acceptable now that people could be turned to do these awful things.

Anonymous said...

@ BemusedStare

MI5 had the habit of sending policewomen dressed as hookers to hotels and asking businessmen to carry a package to a friend in Spain.

Businessman would be picked up by airport police and to spare his embarassment of his wife and colleagues finding out he would be told that it would be forgotten if he helped MI5.

Anonymous said...

A little bit of good news ... the Thug Report is back:-

http://www.thugreport.com/

If you're a regular reader, you probably noticed we've been gone for a week. This was due to the tornado which hit St. Louis on Good Friday. We had some property damage, but fared better than many of our neighbors, whose homes are now uninhabitable.

A refreshing dose of realism ...

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Bemused stare said...

Anon 11:53

No surprise there. I knew a gorgeous young lady who used to "work" the point in Durban almost twenty years ago. Turns out her boss was one of the lot that sold us down the river. The rot IS actually fucking everywhere!

Nowadays when some little lamb grasps his head and says, "I can't believe they would ever do such a thing!" I want to hurt his sphincter a bit!

Anonymous said...

I think you will like this fellow's thinking ...

http://www.washingtonreb.com/

Scroll down to:-

New Laws for the Republic of the Reb

and ...

If A Patriot, Also A Criminal

In fact, what the hell, just bookmark him. Highly recommended.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Here's a thought.

We often read about the inquisitions and Star Chamber trials of the middle ages, or the Soviet show trials of the thirties and forties, and ask ourselves "How could the world know about these things and never say anything?"

This is how.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

High court overrules district court in case about comments about Muslim men

The Eastern High Court today fined Lars Hedegaard, the president of the Free Press Society, 5,000 kroner for making racially offensive comments in December 2009.

“Girls in Muslim families are raped by their uncles, their cousins, or their fathers,” and “When a Muslim man rapes a woman, it is in his right to do so,” were among the comments Hedegaard made during a 35-minute interview at a Christmas party with the author of the blog snaphanen.dk, who subsequently published the comments on the blog.

Today’s decision overturns a decision in January by the Frederiksberg District Court, which stated that while it found Hedegaard’s comments to be insulting, Hedegaard did not know that his controversial comments would be made public.


Originally published in the Copenhagen Post.

Strange how things never change ... only the names, places -- and the excuses.

Not to mention the uniforms of the Inquisitors. Odd how they still wear robes.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Uncle Nasty when those very same things are said to people from Dukes of Hazzard land or when Ipswich Town or Norwich City are taunted with "Your sister is mother
Your father is your brother"
people do not have a problem with it.

To quote Viz (badly) It is as if there is one law for one set of people and another for another.

Thor said...

The case of Lars Hedegaard has attracted a lot of attention in Denmark and probably will go to the highest courts. Hopefully it will be thrown out.

Anonymous said...

Thor said...

The case of Lars Hedegaard has attracted a lot of attention in Denmark and probably will go to the highest courts. Hopefully it will be thrown out.

A very interesting comment. Mainly, one gets the impression -- from recent reports of sweeping political changes -- that Denmark, like so many others is split ... nationalists and right-wingers (to use the old terms) moving into government and power, while the insane left -- terrified beyond all rational thought -- fights a rear-guard action in the courts.

I definitely get the impression that the loony left see their power base crumbling in Scandinavia -- first Finland, now Denmark.

Or is it just wishful thinking and I am reading too much into this?

Could a Danish observer or reader clarify?

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Not strictly on-thread, but:-

EU FLAG RULE: BIG FINES IF OUR PUBLIC BUILDINGS FAIL TO MARK EUROPE DAY

EUROCRATS last night faced an angry revolt over attempts to force Britain to celebrate the EU’s Europe Day next week.

Scores of public buildings around the country are being ordered to fly the blue-and-gold European Union flag to mark the occasion next Monday.

Officials will be expected to ensure the flag remains hoisted for a week, with a swingeing fine from Brussels threatened for those that disobey.

Astonishingly, they even have to take a photograph of the flag flying and email it to the European Commission to ensure the regulations are being observed.


Hey, it could be worse, folks. Next year you could be required to kneel before it, and kiss it ... and, maybe lick it?

Don't you begin to wonder just who you're reporting to?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/244599/EU-flag-rule-We-re-poles-apartEU-flag-rule-Big-fines-if-our-public-builidngs-fail-to-mark-Europe-Day

Once again, 'scuse the monster link.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Interestinger and interestinger, as Alice almost said:-

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/jewish_crime_network_shekels

Scroll to:

What’s the significance of the Obama-Osama drama?

In which one hears, among other things, the right questions being asked:-

The significance of the two major news items isn’t that Obama has to go; his replacement won’t solve our problems.

The significance is that we can make a number of naïve individuals and fence sitters start questioning, and gravitating toward the light, without mentioning certain ethnics who predominantly control the MSM and international banking.

Mention these ethnics and the naïve/fence sitters are liable to persuasion by the one and only Abe [Foxman] lamenting the accursed canards plaguing his community.

But expose the public to a blatantly forged long-form birth certificate released three years after people started clamoring for it and some will question why the MSM are backing Obama to the point that they are complicit in the deception ... wait, how did an obscure senator end up as leading Presidential candidate and then become President?


At last, the right questions are being asked.

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

I find a very strange and interesting thing happens to me from time to time. A weird sort of synchronicity

I discover an interest in something ... or rediscover an old interest, and lo and behold -- a day or a week later, it pops into the news. Does anyone else have this happen to them? Sort of a cosmic consciousness ...

Remember our thread on Jack the Ripper as a conspiracy?

Looks like Jackie's back.

http://tiny.cc/9nh55

Police make bizarre legal battle to keep Jack the Ripper files secret so Victorian sources keep their 'confidentiality'

Having said that, tell me if the bluecoat's decision -- on a 120-year-old cold case -- makes any sense whatsoever?

Oh. Wait. I wonder if Mrs Battenberg's extended family are back in the frame?

Cheers,
Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

McVeigh was a patsy plain and simple. There were several bombs and they admitted it live on TV that day. What guy would be so intelligent to pull it off then drive down the highway in a clunky old beat-up car with NO license plate, seemingly drugged out of his mind to make his escape? This was done to exert more orwellion control over America and cause stricter gun laws. There are good documentaries out on this that can help clear up some questions for those not familiar. The ATF just "happened" to all be out of the building that day too.

Anonymous said...

7/7 there were 4 bombs and four bombers.

On the day itself there were much more than that at the BBC acknowledged on broadcasts.

Anonymous said...

McVeigh as a patsdy. There was not enough explsove power in "his" bomb to do the damage that was done as it was too far away.

Did you know that on that very day the ATF were having a golf day on a nearby golf course and were able to rush to the scene to give their expertise to the situation?

Anonymous said...

McVeigh parked the bomb on the far side from the ATF offices.
His bomb did not knock walls nearest the truck because it had not the rquired power but somehow managed to get in the building and knock walls internally.