Tuesday, 24 March 2009

A telling progression: Update


The original post which showed the Jewish/Israeli takeover progression drew in a lot of comment. I have reproduced here one such comment which, for me anyway, was very informative and puts a new perspective on the developments.

Here's the problem with the maps: you are comparing apples to oranges.In the first map, white is actually owned by the Jews, and everything else goes to the Arabs by default.

In the last map, green is actually owned by the Arabs, and the default now goes to the Arabs [I presume he means the Jews here].Half the country is Negev. It is almost empty now and was just about completely empty in 1948. So why is it marked as Arab land in 1948?!Also, the controlling international law, the only legally binding international law is the League of Nations Mandate. All the other UN resolutions are RECOMMENDATIONS of the UN under Article 6 that purposely do not carry the power of Article 7 resolutions.

The Mandate system is what gave almost all the 20th century's new nations independence.The Arabs got the land east of the river Jordan. The Jews got the land west of the river. The Mandate called for the establishment of "close Jewish settlement" of all the land west of Jordan, including the West Bank. It called for the establishment of a Zionist government there.

And the funny thing is that originally the local Arab leaders actually accepted it. There are pictures of Zionists and Arab nationalists shaking hands and otherwise being friendly. One major local Arab leader (probably the most prominent one in 1920, though they didn't have any kind of an organization) publicly said that Palestinians welcome Zionist immigration.

Again, this is widely reported and you can find proof of it by Googling it. By proof I don't mean blogs, I mean contemporary records.The Arabs were happy to get 77% of Palestine that was east of the river. Except for one guy, Arafat's uncle who was an open Nazi. The man spent the 1940s in Germany and went so far as to organize 3 Muslim Nazi SS divisions.It was this Arab Nazi (I am not name-calling here, he himself agreed to being one, as do all historians) named Hajj Amin al-Husseini who began agitating the situation and arguing that Jews should never be allowed to have a state.The man had enormous influence in the Middle East by the 1930s and 40s, and even staged a pro-German revolt in Iraq in 1941.

So when you say that Jews took this and Jews took that, remember: the only law - not recommendation, but law - is that Jews get everything west of Jordan and the state of Jordan is the Palestinian state. At the time when the Mandate was passed, the local Arab leaders accepted it.The Mandate for Palestine is available on the United Nations web site, as well as on thousands of others sites in case you want to review it yourself.

71 comments:

Joe O'Neill said...

Seems fair enough to me ! The Jews get Israel and the arabs get everything from Morroco to Iran!!!
Did I miss something ?

Anonymous said...

That's right. Also remember that the place was a virtual shithole before the Jews moved in and developed it: Arab birthrates exploded with Jewish immigration(and all the doctors, hospitals, superior care and living standards which resulted).

Johan Potgieter

Anonymous said...

Well, they're succeeding in brainwashing you now Savant. Another notch on the pole.

Realist

Anonymous said...

Yes, I have to say Savant, you have been in grovelling mode re Israel. Are you afraid the Mossad are going to pay you a visit?

Anonymous said...

will no longer be visiting the savants blog ! he supports genocide !

sarsfield said...

Let's get this straight, you agree with the fact that a bunch of Jews (or any ethnic group) from Eastern Europe (or any geographic part of the world) can show up anywhere and plant their flag and call it their land?

Bullshit.

It was and is a land grab. The Jews problem is that they began their experiment at the end of the age of Colonialism. The French, Brits, Belgians, etc... bashed wogs for centuries and nobody cared (besides the wogs). Nowadays, people get upset about apartheid, discrimination, murder and colonies.

Israel claims to be a part of the "West." Yet Israel is hundreds of miles EAST of Constantinople.

Think Kingdom of Jerusalem. Israel will hold out for another 200 years and then succumb to the laws of demographics. Drowned in a sea of muslims.

The time frame could be accelarated if the United States goes into a depression and we get smart and refuse to prop them up any longer.

IsraeliEejit said...

Yes, this supports what I already wrote. The Arabs got the land that became Jordan (which is totally Jew-free) and the Jews got what is now Israel.
Later on the UN proposed a plan to divide the "Jewish part" up and give the Arabs half (even though the Arabs had already got Jordan). This was the UN Partion Plan. The Jews agreed to the proposal but the Arabs rejected it. They wanted all the land. If they had accepted it, 61 years of bloodshed would have been saved.

SAVANT said...

guys, guys GUYS! Stop it! I'm not 'grovelling' to Israel, nor do I support genocide.

I published this comment as a post because it's contained factual (so far as I can establsih) infomration which is VERY relevant to the whole justification issue.

I'm encouraging debate. And it saddens me when a reader such as anon 1.04 (and there have been others) say they'll never visit the blog again.

That's just like the PC brigade who wont debate issues like race/IQ but instead shout abuse and leave.

Bear in ind that a few weeks back i was accused of being anti-Israeli by several readers, and yes, one American reader did say she'd never log on again for that reason.

This is a great pity. Too many blogs are just echo chambers. I do have an agenda on various issues but do try to be different and encourage debate. Even now, if there were for instance new evidence to show that there was no genetic basis for IQ i'd publish without hesitation and encourage discussion.

You know deep down I'm right on this.

Anonymous said...

The Mandate (who drafted that? Anglo-America perhaps?)permitted a Jewish State in Palestine; not a Jewish State replacing Palestine.
The British Mandate was very careful that unlike Northern Ireland, or the Falklands, that the Palestinian majority in the mandate would not have the status, or the experience, of parliamentary democracy.
Today there are 5 million Israeli jews, and 9 million Palestinian gentiles.
A democratic Israel would be similar in size to Lebanon.

Anonymous said...

Since when has there ever been democracy among the Mohammedans? They always vote(when they get the vote) for Islamic fanatic parties, eg Algeria, Gaza, Turkey.

If all the Jews left Israel tomorrow, how long do you think "Palestinian democracy & freedom" would last? About as long as it takes Mohammed Abu-Ali Al-Shalmuda to load up his AK-47 and spray bullets into the ranks of those less zealous Muslims.

Keep up the good work, Savant - I for one greatly enjoy your erudite pontifications!

Johan Potgieter

Anonymous said...

For those readers unfamiliar with Benjamin Freedman, here in part, is a little history lesson relating to the Palestinian question. This speech was given in 1961, so appears not much has changed since those days.

For example, this quote:

"Every time we do something, you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear.

Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

Freedman was a Jewish man who should know what he was talking about .......because he lived those times, whereas many of us on this thread did not even exist in body.

Anonymous said...

Here're the relevant parts of the Mandate, the same thing that established most of the states in existence today and that was accepted by the local Arab leaders at the time:

"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country"

"The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self -governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion."

Notice that the political, administrative and economic powers are to be given to the Jews, while the others get only "civil and religious rights".

"An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine"

"The Zionist organisation, so long as its organisation and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the cooperation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home."

"The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power."

Notice that this says that all the land west of Jordan must be given to the Jews and that neither Britain nor anyone else may give it to anyone else.

"The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency. referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews, on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes."

"The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine."

"The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration."

The Arabs are never mentioned in the Mandate. The only parts I omitted deal with British rule as a Mandatory power in charge of transferring the land to the Jews.

You should read the Mandate from start to finish. Britain is supposed to maintain the territory while doing what needs to be done to create a Jewish state with a Zionist government.

Here's a link: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/The+Mandate+for+Palestine.htm

Anonymous said...

Also please read this agreement between the top Zionist leader Chaim Weitzman and the top local Arab Nationalist leader Emir Feisal: http://www.mideastweb.org/feisweiz.htm

They agreed that: " All necessary measures shall be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil."

Here's a picture of the two men, with Weitzman wearing Arab dress as a sign of respect for the man he's visiting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Weizmann_and_feisal_1918.jpg

Feisal also wrote:

"The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper."


Notice that at the time, both Arabs and Jews accept the name "Palestine" to mean "Jewish land". It wasn't until the 1950s when Palestine became a synonym for Arab.

In fact, in the 1930s, the Arab League issued a statement that there is no such thing as Palestine.

kulak said...

To: anon@26 March 2009 06:24

"the top local Arab Nationalist leader Emir Feisal"

Local? He represented Hedjaz, not the people living in what would become Israel.

Since the Jews wouldn't be living next to him at first, it didn't cost him much.

I think he was just doing business.

The agreement, which remained secret for several years, quickly became inoperative, as neither signatory proved to be in a position to "deliver the goods" to the other. The authenticity of the agreement was challenged by some Arabs during the 1930s when Zionist leaders sought to gain propaganda advantage by publishing the text. Recent historical research has established that the document is genuine enough; thus, only Faisal's motives remain the subject of some debate.

kulak said...

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/
bookauth/zionism/mackay.htm

As originally published in
The Atlantic Monthly
July 1920

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine

by Anstruther Mackay (British military governor of Palestine, WWI)

Anonymous said...

"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001"

This quote is a hoax. If this would ever be uttered, it would be the biggest scandal ever.

It is a bad hoax too, and only amateurs could believe it.

Politicians never talk this way. It sounds like something Dr. Evil would say in a comedy.

Finally, nobody ever believes that they control others as much as they should, so it's impossible that Sharon believes it even if it were true.

The first rule of economics is that your desires have no limit. You can see that all around you: if you have food, you want better food, if you have better food, you want a nicer looking restaurant, etc.

The US frequently votes against Israel at the UN and pressures Israel into doing things it doesn't want to do (see the Wye Accords, for instance, as well as the US forcing Israel not to sell a $250 million radar to China, even though Israel had already entered into a contract and looked really bad having to break it and pay penalties to China).

No country that can be forced to break a contract by a bigger power will go on thinking that they control it. Israelis always complain that the US is abusing its power over Israel to force it to do things like stop building military air planes after the first prototypes showed themselves to be better than comparable American planes.

There is no way that a single person in Israel, or a single supporter of Israel, believes the above quote.

If you don't believe me, pretend to be Jewish and go into an online forum to see what people there have to say. Even in the privacy of what they believe to be an all-Jewish, all-Zionist audience, they will never say anything like the above quote.

In fact, they will bitterly complain about all the times when Israel has been forced to go along with the US wishes against its own interests, and also that Israel votes for the US in the United Nations 100% of the time, but the US votes against Israel at least a third of the time.

Finally, if UN votes are any guide, then it is Israel which is completely controlled by the US. No country in the world always votes for Israel. Europeans and Canada vote against the US 30-60% of the time. Arabs vote against the US 70-90% of the time. Israel never votes against America.

So who's controlling whom here?

Arielyourbreakfastiscold said...

Not all Muslims are fanatical, the Malaysians, Indonesians, Turks and North Africans seem to be pretty decent people, with exceptions of course. It is possible that the Palestinians are also decent people, but the Judeonazis don't let them out of their open air prison for anyone to see them as anything other than the niggers of the Middle East. By the way Israeleejit, nothing you have said has had any bearing on my and probably others' misgivings regarding your vile nation. Waffle on at your leisure.

Anonymous said...

I think anon 17.10 is a bit disengenous. Control is a bit more subtle than that.

See earleir post by Savant here
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2009/01/overplaying-your-hand-its-dangerous.html

Anonymous said...

No Savant, the problem and the one major flaw you have is that you are completely ignorant of the Jewish Question. Israel is not an under-sieged South Africa or a prodestant plantation surrounded by hateful paddies. Now don't pull a Joe Duffy "ah but in fairness" or a Faux News "fair and balanced" shit on us. We don't buy it.

Anonymous said...

"Who is controlling who here?"

In case you haven't noticed the presidential cabinet of the U.S of A since the 60's has been predominantly comprised of a majority of Jews (i.e, neo-cons, etc). So to put a long story short it is simply a case of the Jews telling their fellow Jews to keep a fuckin' punch pulled on their genocidal practices in Israel.


(Ps): The Council of Foriegn realtions, the IMF and the UN are comprised of a Jewish majority in their ranks.

--Watcher--

Anonymous said...

The equation is quite simple. The settlers control Israeli politics and Israelis/Jews control American politics. How do we know this? Has there EVER been a politicain that dared speak out, even in the most gentle terms aginst our unqualified support for whatever israel does, and who hasnt disappered?

Name but a few - Pat Buchanan, Paul Wellstone, and going back afew dcades, John Connolly. All wre done in within months of taking such a stand.

Thats NOT being paranoid

Anonymous said...

Pat Buchanan is alive and kicking, last I heard.

Anonymous said...

Aside from checking Savant's blog every day, I also read "Smoking Mirrors" Blog whereas he often writes essays about the Jews...and not always in the most complimentary light.

Perhaps Israel's little foot-soldiers who battle in cyber-space claiming "this a hoax, that a hoax, everything a hoax" with their cut & paste diatribes may want to check him out.

Anonymous said...

Re Pat Buchanan - I was not referring to physical wipeout - although the Wellstone 'accident' does have some unexplained features. I'm referring to the immediate ending of their political careers.

Anonymous said...

"

"Who is controlling who here?"

In case you haven't noticed the presidential cabinet of the U.S of A since the 60's has been predominantly comprised of a majority of Jews (i.e, neo-cons, etc). So to put a long story short it is simply a case of the Jews telling their fellow Jews to keep a fuckin' punch pulled on their genocidal practices in Israel.


(Ps): The Council of Foriegn realtions, the IMF and the UN are comprised of a Jewish majority in their ranks."

They aren't Israelis, they are Jews, most of whom have never been to Israel, which would lead one to believe that they have no interest in it.

One would expect that high IQ people would be at the top, wouldn't one?

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous @ 26 March 2009 01:47

"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001


Although the above quote is all over the blogosphere, Ariel Sharon NEVER MADE THE REMARK!! (Same as many other false quotes)

Read CAMERA's take on it:

"False Zionist Quote: Sharon Quote is Fabricated

The following is an example of statements misquoted, taken out of context or otherwise manipulated to present a distorted view of Zionist intentions and actions. The misquotes are found in op-eds in campus newpapers and mainstream press as well as on anti-Israel websites.

MISQUOTE:

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as quoted in an op-ed by nationally syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer, allegedly said at an Israeli Cabinet meeting in autumn, 2001 and reported by Kol Yisrael radio:

“Don't worry about American pressure, we control America.”

“Don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”

FACT:

These quotes originated with the pro-Hamas American group Islamic Association for Palestine in an Oct. 13, 2001 press release, which claimed its source as Israeli radio Kol Yisrael:

According [to] the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col Yisrael Wednesday, Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the US against us. At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying “ . . . I want to tell you something clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”…
Elsewhere in the press release, the quote was repeated, albeit slightly altered to: “we control America.”

CAMERA received confirmation from Kol Yisrael political correspondent Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, that he never made such a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement."
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=21&x_article=373


This false Hamas quote has been repeated so many times that people are sure its true. IT IS NOT!

IsraeliEejit said...

Anonymous @ 27 March 2009 17:39

re" Smoking Mirrors blog


"You know about the faked rescue in Entebbe and about all the phony holocaust memoirs."

Well, I only got as far as the above. It sounds a highly intelligent blog. Great reading for the brain-dead!

Perhaps you should check out littlegreenfootballs.com

IsraeliEejit said...

How come there's no debate here on Catholic conspiracies?

That notion is as ridiculous as a Jewish conspiracy, but just "google" the term "Catholic conspiracies" and you'll be surprised.

Kilbarry1 said...

To IsraeliEejit

Actually there were recent debates in Ireland on alleged Catholic conspiracies including ones that resembled medieval Blood Libels. Has everyone forgotten the claims that large numbers of children were murdered by the Christian Brothers in Letterfrack and Artane? A lot of these accusations relate to times when no boy died of any cause! Try Googling the phrases "Murder of the Undead" and "Victimless Murders".

I told Conor Cruise O'Brien in 1996 that his anti-clerical friends would soon become anti-Semites and so it has proved!

Anonymous said...

The Jewish conspiracy fact(not theory) is a reality whether Jews of all ranks and classes are conscious of it or not. It has been out in the open since the end of ww1 and is there for everyone to withness. This includes all Jewish and secularised crypto Jewish Sayanim, who are just as bad if not conciously worse than their traditional counterparts - since these dont even have a tradition to keep them in check.

Every organisation of any subsersive nature to society(read; white civilisation) is maintained by Jews(porn industry, hollywood, "gay rights" movements, neo-cons, open-immigration lobbyists-Ireland's Ronit lentin, communism etc). The Jew promotes these anti-civlising memes in gentile societys because it weakens them and benefits the Jewish group at the behest of the "enemy"(whatever that may be). These people act on infra-human drives that are morally irreprehensible to the average white of European decent.
Jews act as a group survivalist organism, that only act on "what is good for the Jews" and not what's good for humanity in general. If any other race would openly try that strategy they would be shouted down as "racist" and "hateful" by the very same people that do the very same thing.

Thus the schizo-like behavoir of the Jew has one face for their own people and another for the Goyim
(cattle - as theu call the gentiles). By this brief analysis their extreme criminal behavoir can be rationalised.

Folks, I present to you the Cohen Report:

http://cohenreport.blogspot.com/2006/12/why-it-can-happen-again.html

Anonymous said...

Christ, does someone(JIDF?) pay this IsraeliEejit to post his lying shite on blog comments all day?

Anonymous said...

Do check out the Cohen Report. Cohen has one helluva resume. To wit:

I am one of the leading experts on foreign affairs in the United States. I have a Bachelor of Arts Degree from Brandeis University and a LL.M (Master of Laws) degree from Harvard Law School.

Formerly a senior partner in Goldberg, Weinberg, Cohen & Silverberg, Attorneys at Law, NY, NY., I am now co-founder of the Plymouth Rock Institute of Research.

I am also Senior Fellow and former chair of the Jewish Endowment for World Dominance (JEWD), and founder of several organizations including The American Pie Center for International Art Student Exchange, American Mothers for Torture, The Old Glory Commitee to Promote Foreign Aid for Middle Eastern Friends, and the American Eagle Center of American/Israeli Security Information Exchanges. Presently, I am also the publisher of the prestigious COHEN REPORT

Anonymous said...

I don't feel good about this one, savant. Kind of a "pay attention to these facts, but disregard those facts" thing. It can be clearly demonstrated that the only organized voice pushing for massive immigration of non-European people to the U.S in the mid 1960s was the voice of the jews. As a group, they hold that position to this day. The problem is that they are beyond criticism - no group of people should ever be afforded such an "immunity" status, especially when so many of their members, who clearly identify as such, hold positions of such influence and power.

Incedently, in the U.S., the various lobbies are very influencial regarding policy and yes, AIPAC is right at the top. The U.S. Is often the only country backing Israel 100% in the U.N. On the contrary, I do believe that U.S. Policy - foriegn and much domestic as well, is largely governed by Jewish interest groups - groups who are largely exempt from scrutiny.

SAVANT said...

anon 22.38. I dont disagree with you. I've referred on numerous occasions to the influence of the Israeli lobby in the US. I've had numerous posts on this and think - fear - that it could result in a serious rise in anti-semitism if things get worse there.

My point really is that if someone, on either side of the argument, comes up with reasoned and seemingly factual input, it should be considered on the blog.

Again, i'll repeat the point that you'll find Jews on both sides of every argument. It seems to me that many, and a growing number of, Jews have little support for Israeli policies.

Anonymous said...

Savant - I agree with your posting protocol. That's perfectly reasonable. I've also heard that one will find Jews on both sides of the issues, and I sincerely hope that is true. I do become concerned about issues that tend to reflect a homogenous group think. I understand that approx 80% of the American Jewish community voted for Obama in our last election, and I read that Stephen Steinlight has tried to convince the jewish community that the current immigration strategy is not in their best interests. I applaud this, but it acknowledges an established viewpoint widely held by the jewish community.

Anonymous said...

I worked in a hotel in the US for the Summer and the manager used to warn me about the 'damn Jews'. And he was right. They demanded everythibg, never satisfied, always looking for more, free this, fee that.

You can see the same in the Middle East. I have no strong views either way, but it seems to me to be consistent.

NotanIsraeliEejit said...

Anonymous 12:20, you've hit the nail on the head! Israelieejit is already having, shall we say, a governing, (catalytic converter?) effect on this blog. You have to give credit, where credit's due (not a pun!). He may however, just be a decent person, who loves his rather unscrupulous nation in a way that a Boer loved Apartheid South Africa. However I would lay odds on him being a Zionist agent for something like, as you say, JIDF. What's got me is, he seems to have got at dear old Savant. Stand by for venom free posts, where our old friends, the Israeli's are concerned. I'd still shag Tzipi Livni, though!

Anonymous said...

Q: "How come there's no debate here on Catholic conspiracies?"

A: Because if there is a Catholic conspiracy, it is in no way as pernicious.

SAVANT said...

NotanIsraelieedjit - I dont know why all of you think I've been got at or that I have bought into the Israeli line.

Eseentially, I've learned that it's not quite so clearcut that the Israeli's are 'robbing Palestinian land' - as I had thought.

There could be an organised campaign but on principle I dont want to exclude comments that make a strong point, even if I dont necessarily agree with them.

Throughout the blog my comments on Israel and Jews have been, as with everything else, a model of balance!

IsraeliEejit said...

To NotAnIsraeliEejit and others,

Its laughable, although also sad, that the moment a few people lay down some facts about Israel, its automatically a "conspiracy", "an organised campaign" or the work of a "Zionist agent".
You attack the messenger, because the facts dont fit in with your uneducated limited knowledge.
Yes, I do love Israel and I also love Ireland. When I first came to live here in Israel I felt the Palestinians just needed nurturing. However, no matter what agreements Israel has tried to make, the Arabs have always dodged them.
As I mentioned before, I've had seven terror attacks in my small town alone. This is not the way to make peace.
We vacated Gaza which was a step before vacating most of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank). Instead of utilizing and culturing the Gazan land, the only thing the Palestinians have produced is rockets - 1,000s of them.
Some Israelis were adamantly against the Gaza evacation, believing it would only produce more attacks. They were proven correct. Israel cant continue rewarding this terror by making more and more concessions. Although some Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria have already been forcefully evacuated, the plans to evacuate more have been shelved for the time being. This land in Hamas' hands will enable them to launch their Iranian missiles into the heart of Israel.


"What's got me is, he seems to have got at dear old Savant."

Perhaps Savant is a bit more "savvy" than yourself. He can recognise a trustworthy source when he sees it.

IsraeliEejit said...

More "food for thought" from this Zionist Agent. The Jews arent the only ones lobbying in America.

"Explaining the Influence of Ethnic Interest Groups"

http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/6/5/9/5/pages265953/p265953-1.php


Although ethnic American groups have sought to influence U.S. foreign affairs since the birth of the republic, efforts by ethnic groups to sway U.S. foreign policy became most visible in the 20th century as ethnic groups shifted from isolationist to internationalist policies (DeConde 1992; Smith 2000). For example, Irish Americans lobbied the Clinton administration to become engaged in the Northern Ireland peace process, and the African American community is attributed with influencing the Clinton administration’s decision to intervene in Haiti (Glastris et al. 1997; Schlesinger 1997). In many cases, ethnic American groups lobby U.S. policymakers to maintain strong relations with the ancestral homeland of the ethnic group. For example, Greek American, Indian American, and Jewish American organizations encourage the U.S. to preserve or strengthen U.S. relations with Greece, India, and Israel, respectively. In other cases, ethnic lobbies encourage the U.S. to isolate, pressure, or punish enemies of their ancestral state. For example, Armenian Americans helped enact an embargo against Azerbaijan in the 1990s, and the Greek and Armenian lobbies have long attempted to weaken U.S. relations with Turkey (Doherty 1995; Smith 2000). In a similar vein, some exiled groups, such as Cuban Americans and Hmong Americans, lobby the U.S. to isolate the regimes which control their ancestral homelands until democratic reforms are enacted or civil rights are restored. Some scholars have concluded that ethnic groups now exercise too much influence in the foreign policymaking process. For example, Huntington argues that, in addition to commercial interests, “transnational and nonnational ethnic interests have come to dominate foreign policy” (1997), while Smith asserts that “ethnic groups play a larger role in the making of U.S. foreign policy than is widely recognized” (2000, 1). Mearsheimer and Walt created a firestorm in 2006, asserting that the Israeli lobby has gained too much influence in foreign affairs by pressuring
both Congress and the executive branch and shaping public opinion by affecting media coverage. However, other scholars offer more sober assessments of ethnic group influence. For example, Ambrosio argues “although in some cases ethnic identity groups may have a disproportionate level of influence over specific policies, it is important not to exaggerate their power. Only in rare circumstances is the influence of a particular ethnic lobby the lone factor in determining policy” (2002, 212). Likewise, Watanabe disagrees with the assertion that ethnic groups promote “parochial interests at the expense of the national interest…[rather they] can make strong, positive contributions to the formulation of rational, workable, and humane policies” (1984, xiv). Despite the interest generated in ethnic groups and foreign policy over the past 30 years, little research has been conducted to determine which ethnic groups enjoy the most influence in foreign policy. Aside from the Jewish American lobby, which is routinely appraised as being the most influential ethnoracial lobby in the United States, most of the analyses on ethnic groups list a number of ethnic communities as having significant influence, without discussing the degree to which some of those lobbies are more influential than others. For example, Longworth (1998) contends the Cuban, Greek, Armenian, Polish, and Baltic lobbies are among the most effective ethnic American lobbies. Likewise, Greve (1995), quoting then-Representative Lee Hamilton (D-IN), indicates the Taiwanese, Cuban, Armenian, and East European lobbies are emulating the successes of the Jewish American lobby to influence foreign policy. However, no research has systematically attempted to gauge which ethnic lobbies have the greatest sway in foreign policymaking.


Conclusions:
The analysis presented in this manuscript supports a number of the hypotheses discussed in the theory section. Across all measures, the overall size of the ethnic group does affect its influence, and when controlling for other factors, larger ethnic groups command more influence
in the foreign policymaking process. It is also clear that resources are an important source of ethnic group influence. ....
Assimilation also appears to play an important role in affecting ethnic group influence. The quantitative analysis indicates that ethnic groups which continue to speak their ancestral language at home have greater influence in the foreign policymaking process. Speaking a language other than English at home may represent that the ethnic group is relatively new to the U.S., and thus has not become fully assimilated into American society. Alternatively, it may capture the conscious choice to retain the cultural heritage of the ethnic group......

The existence of salient foreign policy issues appears to play a significant role in increasing an ethnic group’s influence. There is also evidence that the existence of an enemy increases the influence of an ethnic group, probably because the use of enemy-based rhetoric helps increase mobilization.
Finally, the analysis suggests that championing established policies—that is, protecting the status quo—leads to greater influence, at least as perceived by policymakers. The analysis supports the hypothesis that ethnic groups which champion the status quo enjoy a strategic advantage which translates into greater influence.

The findings presented in this manuscript help predict which ethnic lobbies are likely to see their influence increase or wane in the future. A number of factors are contributing to the declining influence of some European lobbies. Most of the European ethnic groups are very assimilated into American society, and there exist few issues which can prompt mobilization. The Italian lobby’s influence in foreign policy is almost certainly declining, and there appears little on the horizon that would reverse the decay of its sway. With the collapse of the Soviet Empire, many Central and East European ethnic lobbies now lack a salient issue which can stimulate political participation within the ethnic community. Coupled with the fact that some of these Central and East European ethnic groups have been very assimilated into American society, it is increasingly likely that many of these ethnic groups will cease to be influential in the policymaking process. For example, the major Polish immigration to the U.S. began a century ago. By 2005, fewer than six percent of Polish Americans were born outside the U.S., and less than 9 percent spoke a language other than English at home. Unless a significant issue emerges which energizes the Polish American community, the Polish lobby may soon cease to have any significance in terms of foreign policy. The same holds true for the Czech and Ukrainian lobbies. The existence of strong organizations has helped to retard the decay of the Polish, Italian, and Baltic lobbies, but these lobbies are likely to decline in foreign policy influence...

In contrast, foreign policy concerns may help mobilize ethnic groups which have more significant numbers of recent immigrants to the U.S. Cuban Americans are an excellent example of an ethnic group having an important influence on foreign policy within a generation of arriving in the U.S. China’s attempts to expand its political influence may mobilize Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Filipino, and especially Taiwanese Americans to become more active in foreign affairs. Korean Americans and Vietnamese Americans now have populations of greater than 1 million, and Korean Americans mounted a strong grassroots campaign in support of the Comfort Women Resolution. Indian Americans, as an ethnic group, may not be as energized by foreign policy as Jewish Americans or Cuban Americans, but Indian Americans are certainly poised to become more influential in the foreign policymaking process. Again, Indian Americans are now the wealthiest ethnic group in America, they now number almost 2 million, and they are establishing an organized presence in Washington. All of this means that if an event, such as a confrontation between India and Pakistan, were to mobilize Indian Americans further, their influence would likely increase further.

IsraeliEejit said...

There's an enormous difference between a conspiracy and a lobby.

A conspiracy is dark, secretive and furtive, usually as a means to cause damage.

A lobby is open, legitimate (although often annoying to those outside the special interest group).

Top lobbies in America are Retired Persons, Dept. of Commerce, drug companies, oil companies, AIPAC, National Rifle Association and many others. These are not conspiracies.

IsraeliEejit said...

Newsflash from your 007 Zionist Agent


Israel is Behind Everything


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpF037EOFY&feature=related

Anonymous said...

"A conspiracy is dark, secretive and furtive, usually as a means to cause damage."

And where does that statement contradict Jewish policy since their first encounters with the Goyim?

StillnotanIsrealEejit said...

Dear IsraeliEejit,

Yes AIPAC, notice it's the one lobby group that actually has fuck all to do with the nation it's lobbying in. Now if it was lobbying exclusively for Jewish affairs of Jewish U.S citizens, that would be understandable, however it's lobbying for a foreign power (the name's a giveaway) and has a disproportionate amount of influence, certainly far more than any other foreign lobby group, including that of foreign nations with much higher populations than Israel.

You state, or you pasted; "A conspiracy is dark, secretive and furtive, usually as a means to cause damage." Sounds like AIPAC's modus operandi, to me.

You also state, "I've had seven terror attacks in my small town alone." Good for you, the Palestinians have to put up with the IDF and their firepower is much more deadly (just refer to the bodycounts).

Then you say, "When I first came to live here in Israel I felt the PALESTINIANS JUST NEEDED NURTURING." WTF, slightly pretentious, do you think you're Bono?

So you emigrated to Israel. I lived in South Africa for many years, loved it, considered it my home, but I still left when the place became a crime ridden hole.

Terrorist attacks are a lot to put up with, or do you consider your duty as a Jew to settle there, a higher priority than your family's safety?

You also seem to think certain people here are uneducated. So having a different opinion to Zionists is being uneducated, is it? In truth we just piss you off, don't we? Truth is, you now know that a lot of Gentiles are'nt the sheep your Auntie Jezebel told you about, so you are endeavoring to copy/paste us all into a state of submission.

You better start bringing a packed lunch!

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous @ 30 March 2009 22:06

"A conspiracy is dark, secretive and furtive, usually as a means to cause damage."

"And where does that statement contradict Jewish policy since their first encounters with the Goyim?"

Er, when was the first encounters with the Gentiles? You'd have to go back quite a few thousand years for that. There is no Jewish goal to conquer and take over other countries, contrary to the Muslims for example: "The Islamic flag will fly over the British Parliament, the White House, etc, etc. Furthermore, Jews have no missionic aims, again contrary to the Muslims. Jews do not try to convert a Gentile - in fact its very difficult to convert to Judaism. Islam decrees that all infidels must be converted and if they refuse, they should be killed.
BTW, I noticed "Goyim" is used as if derogatory, with one poster claiming it means "cattle". This is false. Goyim means Gentiles and the Hebrew word for cattle is "bakar".

IsraeliEejit said...

To: StillNotAnIsraeliEejit

If you'd have read my previous post you'd have seen there are many ethnic groups who lobby for their special interests - for example, "Irish Americans lobbied the Clinton administration to become engaged in the Northern Ireland peace process, and the African American community is attributed with influencing the Clinton administration’s decision to intervene in Haiti (Glastris et al. 1997; Schlesinger 1997). In many cases, ethnic American groups lobby U.S. policymakers to maintain strong relations with the ancestral homeland of the ethnic group. For example, Greek American, Indian American, and Jewish American organizations encourage the U.S. to preserve or strengthen U.S. relations with Greece, India, and Israel, respectively. In other cases, ethnic lobbies encourage the U.S. to isolate, pressure, or punish enemies of their ancestral state. For example, Armenian Americans helped enact an embargo against Azerbaijan in the 1990s, and the Greek and Armenian lobbies have long attempted to weaken U.S. relations with Turkey (Doherty 1995; Smith 2000). In a similar vein, some exiled groups, such as Cuban Americans and Hmong Americans, lobby the U.S. to isolate the regimes which control their ancestral homelands until democratic reforms are enacted or civil rights are restored."

These are facts you have to accept and live with. AIPAC is not the only ethnic interest group. I'm sure you'd be much happier if CAIR were more influential, but perhaps their time will come.

Re: Terror attacks. If the Arabs didnt send in suicide bombers or rockets, the IDF wouldnt need to engage with them. You honestly expect a country would sit on its arse while its citizens are being blown up, shelled and rocketed. The Gazans and West Bankers used to work all over Israel and do as they please. Jews went into West Bank towns for shopping. I remember drinking coffee in Jericho, travelling around Bethlehem, etc. All that ceased because of the Arab terror and your average Ahmed on the street isnt happy about losing all that revenue. We can no longer travel there and they cannot travel here.

Re: Arab nurturing. No it isnt pretentious. Arabs are still living in a donkey and cart culture.

I live in Israel because I married an Israeli and love the country. And no, I would not consider emigrating because of Arab terror attacks. Would New-Yorkers, Londoners or Barcelonions flee because of terror? That's a cowardly notion.

And yes, you do sound totally uneducated on this issue. You've probably never even been to the region and just feeds off the BBC or CNN.

Gentiles are no different than Jews, all are indivuals who think and act independently. Your digs to me about Gentiles are pointless - FYI, I was baptised Roman Catholic, made my First Holy Communion, learnt my catechisms and was confirmed Roman Catholic. So chew on that.

Anonymous said...

Here is an article on AIPAC that if true may give people an idea of what AIPAC likes to get up to in the comfort of their own home (USA).

AIPAC espionage case becomes US trouble

The Justice Department is feeling the heat as it continues the prosecution of former AIPAC staffers Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman.

The two officials from the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) were in 2005 indicted for passing along secret US documents to Israel in violation of the 1917 Espionage Act.

The American Jewish Committee and the Anti-Defamation League, two top Jewish lobby groups in the US, are demanding the Justice Department reconsider its case against Rosen and Weissman.

“The prosecution creates a chilling effect on legitimate speech,” AJC Executive Director David Harris said in a statement last week.

“Based upon the facts that the government has divulged thus far, we hope the Department of Justice will take a close look at this case and reconsider whether it should be pursued further,” he added.

In late 2004, the New York Times reported that Weissman along with fellow AIPAC employee Rosen had been questioned regarding their involvement in an espionage case.

Larry Franklin, a Middle East analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency, was also driven into the case for allegedly passing classified information about Iran to the AIPAC members who had relayed the sensitive information to the government of Israel.

The ADL also recently released a letter it had sent last September to the deputy attorney general urging him to “review the charges, the investigation, and the prosecution of this case.”

“We are mindful of and fully support our government’s need to protect sensitive national security information,” read the letter. “This prosecution, however, is not necessary for such protection.”

The Anti-Defamation League has come under severe criticism from political analysts for serving Israel’s interests rather than those of the United States.

“The ADL has virtually become ‘one of the main pillars’ of Israeli propaganda in the US, as the Israeli press casually describes it, engaged in surveillance, blacklisting, compilation of FBI-style files circulated to adherents for the purpose of defamation, angry public responses to criticism of Israeli actions, and so on.,” renowned American author and political analyst Noam Chomsky wrote in his 1989 book Necessary Illusions.

“These efforts, buttressed by insinuations of anti-Semitism or direct accusations, are intended to deflect or undermine opposition to Israeli policies, including Israel’s refusal, with US support, to move towards a general political settlement,” he adds.

Meanwhile, AIPAC, considered the most powerful and connected lobbying group in Washington, has been subject to controversy in the past.

In 1992, the group’s then president David Steiner was forced to resign after he was recorded boasting about his political influence in obtaining aid for Israel.

Steiner claimed to be “negotiating” with the incoming Clinton administration over who Clinton would appoint as Secretary of State and Director of the National Security Agency.

AIPAC is a “de facto agent for a foreign government”, whose “success is due to its ability to reward legislators and congressional candidates who support its agenda, and to punish those who challenge it,” University of Chicago professor John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt from the Harvard University argue in their book: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy.

Former President Jimmy Carter has also accused AIPAC of putting enormous pressure on politicians running for office who do not share AIPAC’s goals.

MT/MD

Anonymous said...

As posted by IsraeliEejit (& suffixing "eejit" is a lame effort at pretending you have any connections to Ireland):

"Gentiles are no different than Jews, all are indivuals who think and act independently. Your digs to me about Gentiles are pointless - FYI, I was baptised Roman Catholic, made my First Holy Communion, learnt my catechisms and was confirmed Roman Catholic. So chew on that."

Then you are a traitor to your religion. You have just admitted that you are a Marrano Jew(!). I mean for fucks sake, spar us. Little wonder why jews can never be trusted and how nobody takes you seriously on this comment list. Thus sort of fucking chameleon flexibility to dual citizenship and identity of religion never takes away the fact that a Jew no matter where or how they are born and raised will always remain a Jew. Meaning they will betray any host nation or race of gentiles to remain deep down an eternal loyal Sayanim spy for Israel.

This has a deep psychological effect of making Jews, born hypocrites.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 20:02, you are spot on. Bob Dylan, being a case in point, flirting with different religions (Christianity for one), then back to his default religion of Judaism. Now I'm in no way religious, but I was born a Christian, baptised as a Christian, so wether I like it or not, will always be a Christian.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous @ 02 April 2009 20:02

You have it all backwards, you ignorant arsehole. Just goes to show your preconceptions, inbuilt hate for Jews and racism.

"(& suffixing "eejit" is a lame effort at pretending you have any connections to Ireland)"
I am 100% Irish genetically. So up yours! I was raised in Britain. When I came to live in Israel I converted to Judaism, because I prefer the religion. Jesus himself was a devout Jew. He was celebrating the Passover meal on the eve of his crucifixion, as I will be doing on Wednesday night.

And what's your problem with Marrano Jews??? In case you dont know, all the Jews were kicked out of Spain 500 years ago. Some "converted" to Christianity to avoid expulsion, but carried on practising Judaism secretly. Its now thought 20% of modern Spanish male population has Jewish ancestry.

If the time ever comes and your Muslim friends demand conversion to Islam or death, as the Quran commands, I wonder what you'll choose??? You'll probably whip that rag around your head without a blink.

As for Jews being born hypocrites, once again - up yours!

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous @ 02 April 2009 01:38


If you're going to make an argument you could at least find opinions from more balanced people rather than the 4 internationally known Israel-haters: Chomsky, Carter and the two idiots who wrote that book.

As for the spying case, it could well be true. However, handing over such documents poses no threat to the U.S., but provides what may be crucial info to Israel on Iran (which is constantly threatening to wipe Israel off the map). My question would be, why doesnt the U.S. pass this information onto Israel? As it is obliged to do so under a 1983 Memorandum of Understanding between Israel and the U.S. on vital security issues.

Anonymous said...

I see that the new Israeli Foreign Minister says that Arabs must declare their loyalty exclusively to Israel if they're to remain Israeli citizens.

I wonder what he'd say if America gave its Jews the same ultimatum?

Anonymous said...

I see in so-called liberal Israel they're now airbrushing women out of cabinet pictures. They dont do that in Muslim countries.

Anonymous said...

@ IsraeliShill

You are a traitor, a lier, a deceptive spying snake scumbag. You are not Irish and never will be, ever. You are not 100% genetically Irish, no fucking chance. Any Jewish mix of blood whatsoever is a no go -- I'd have to see a DNA chart of your genetic history and I'm certainly not buying into your run-around. While I'm usually not taken to sympathy with Jeeboo on any level, it may as well be said that he was betrayed by his fellow Jews who in turn were only to glad to see him crucified. BTW there are many Christians who would take offence if you refered to Jesus as Jewish, anyhow I'm not to bothered. The worse thing for Europe to do was accept chrisitanity in the first place. The underlying semitic memes of hatred and maternal sentiment ruined what once was. The jealous rabbis got what they wanted.

As bad as Muslims may be, Jews have done far more irreplaceable damage to the West. You're no different.

Anonymous said...

anon says "I see in so-called liberal Israel they're now airbrushing women out of cabinet pictures. They dont do that in Muslim countries."

True, because you dont get woman ministers in Muslim countries

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous 2
04 April 2009 08:34

Listening to Lieberman speaking in HEBREW umpteen times, I've never heard him say he wanted Israeli Arabs to declare loyalty EXCLUSIVELY to Israel.

Arabs here enjoy all the social benefits, state-of the-art health care, a good education, etc. However, some of them dance and celebrate when Jews are murdered, assist terrorists in planning and by driving them to target areas and generally aid Hamas in their plot to turn Israel into an Islamic state.
Comparing this to Jews in America is ridiculous, as they have no wish to destroy America from within to make it part of some "Jewish caliphate".

IsraeliEejit said...

Anonymous @ 04 April 2009 20:54

Re: airbrushing women out of cabinet pictures

Do you have any sources, so I can see what you're talking about?

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous @ 04 April 2009 22:02

How can I have even one drop of Jewish blood if I converted to Judaism, you idiot!! A blood transfer isnt part of the process.

As for Jesus not being a Jew, do me a favour! He was a devout, practising Jew.

I'm ignoring the rest of your foul-mouthed post. Why dont you identify yourself with a nick?

Anonymous said...

@IsraeliShill

"How can I have even one drop of Jewish blood if I converted to Judaism, you idiot!! A blood transfer isnt part of the process."

And here I once again make the proposal that you submit a genetic chart of your DNA. You see I do not believe that you are simply an innocent convert to Judaism. The story doesn't add up and none of us are buying it. You are most likely a half Jew/Half Irish catholic mix who took advantage of the dual citizenship laws and renewed his passport and religious vows to Jeebooism. Your spirit is infected with something completely alien to Europe.

And again while I do not make any claims to Christian fundamentalism, like I say alot of christians would take offence at you calling Jesus a Jew. Afterall as the legend goes, Jesus left that religion to found his own sect. So it's not about whether Jesus was a "Jew" (as he made clear his distance from them) it is the other important probablity that he was a Semite. For that important reason his spiritual teachings were never suited to western minds (no matter how sarus distorted them for the Goyim or how the Germans Aryanized that "religion").

All else said: None of this takes away from the fact that you betrayed your original religion and your original country for somewhere you claim to have no original link to! If this is really the case you make it can only have two possible reasons: a desperate attempt at seeking a "community" (when you couldn't seem oppressed enough as a Catholic) OR you're simply Mad.

There's another problem too, you are not Irish and never will be, no more than a mullato new born Gaelic speaking coon.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous @ 07 April 2009 04:06

So you "propose that I submit a genetic chart of my DNA". Yes, thats something I carry around with my driving license. Why dont I just take you on a trip to the family graves and dig up the generations of old bones for you to examine?

What kind of an idiot are you?? I dont give a shit what you believe or think.

Sounds as though you're emerald green with envy. Probably dragged up in some backwater trailer-park deep in Iowa.

Anonymous said...

To Israelieedjit. I dont think this anon character in any sence represents either Irish or american views. His views seem extreme and very narrow minded. Also unnecessarily abusive. We should be all in this together protecing our societies against African and Muslim invasion.

Caleb

Anonymous said...

@ResidentSayanim

"So you "propose that I submit a genetic chart of my DNA". Yes, thats something I carry around with my driving license. Why dont I just take you on a trip to the family graves and dig up the generations of old bones for you to examine?"

Yes, that would be nice.

"What kind of an idiot are you?? I dont give a shit what you believe or think."

lol, you appearently give enough "shit" to reply.

"Sounds as though you're emerald green with envy. Probably dragged up in some backwater trailer-park deep in Iowa."

Tshk , tshk. Never underestimate a Jew's hatred for lower class white gentiles.
The irony of this is, is that I am Irish and I live in Ireland. Always have been. Also, unlike you, I have chosen to stay and fight here rather than to turn-coat and feck off to some desert backwater where you don't belong.

And to be honest we don't want you back!(that's not to even suggest you ever a geniune citizen of Ireland to leave in the first place).

IsraeliEejit said...

To Caleb,

Thanks for your comments and I agree.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anon @ 08 April 2009 04:30

"lol, you appearently give enough "shit" to reply" - I usually always reply to a post addressed to me no matter how foul.

"Tshk , tshk. Never underestimate a Jew's hatred for lower class white gentiles." - How do you know he's white? Perhaps he's a Muslim.

As for Ireland, I've never claimed to be Irish. I've said a couple of times that my parents (RIP) were Irish from Tipp and their families go back generations. They left for Britain in the 50's where I was born and raised. I've never lived in Ireland but only visited family. All my remaining aunts & uncles + scores of cousins still live there.
However, my blood is still 100% Irish, I have an Irish name, Irish eyes and can apply for an Irish passport if I ever fancy one. Being proudly Irish, my parents never accepted formal British naturalization. So no matter what way you twist it, my only true genetical heritage is Irish.
And dont worry, I would never go to live there as I'm happy where I am.

Anonymous said...

Can I echo Caleb, israelieedjit - you seem a fine person, fully irish and I'd welcome you here any time. So wud almost all Irish people - you bet.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anon @ 08 April 2009 21:57

I really appreciate your kind words!
A few years back the Irish football squad played here in Israel. A good few thousand Ireland fans came over and we went down to Tel Aviv to feel the atmoshphere and see the sea of green, white and gold. It was great. Ireland fans have to be the best! We went into a bar at about 1am and there was a group of Irish there just opposite the door. At first they welcomed me thinking I was one of them (that I'd also come over for the match). We had a nice chat and they said they'd never got such a great welcome in any other country as they had in Israel. Tel Aviv's council laid on beer festivals in local parks and had Irish flags everywhere. I was delighted. One said being Irish they were usually pro-Palestinian but that coming to Israel had made them see things differently.
As for the match - everyone was asking me who I wanted to win. How could I not root for Ireland? But then again, Israel hadnt qualified for 30 odd years! I hoped for a draw (so did my Mum) and that was indeed the end result.

teacher.paris said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGJUdwSiPVA&feature=PlayList&p=BCE6F746DE47C3C0&index=13


Israel's president speaks

2 minutes

Californian said...

Israel claims to be a part of the "West." Yet Israel is hundreds of miles EAST of Constantinople.

Constantinople was once capital of the Roman Empire. Sigh.

Think Kingdom of Jerusalem. Israel will hold out for another 200 years and then succumb to the laws of demographics. Drowned in a sea of muslims.

Quite possibly, but I suspect by that time Europe will have long since been submerged into that same sea of Islamic population explosion.

teacher.paris said...

Jews are part of the West?
Spitting on women must be very Irish then, no?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/06/2617502.htm?section=world

teacher.paris said...

The Irish must abhore the sound of a woman singing, no?

Jerusalem Post: July 7, 2009
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443742054&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull