Saturday, 29 March 2008

Do we need Christianity? (2)

Long comment here from Big Bill, which I print in full and the respond to it.

"My goodness, Irish, you call them "illustrious results" of Evil Christian Warfare? Hell, son, more people were killed in the civil war of '22-'23 than the 3300 killed in Northern Ireland over 80 years of the Troubles.Evil Abolitionist Warfare killed more in a few hours of the Battle of Gettysburg than "Religion" killed in Northern Ireland. Evil Imperial Warfare killed over 3300 men in a few minutes at the Battle of the Somme.

Yet you strain at the most pathetic gnats to get your digs in at The Warmonger Christians. Lebanon, the Balkans, Ireland.Feh. The reality is that most of the current worldwide troubles have Muslims one one side. On the other side are the rest of us: atheists, Hindus, Jains, Animists, Buddhists, Christians and Jews. Now either there is some Cosmic Secret International Religious Conspiracy against Muslims, or there is something about Islam that just can't get along with the rest of the world. I think the latter, don't you?

What I can't figure out is why you are bounden determined to scrape the bottom of the war-mongering barrel in order to come up with three pathetic examples of pissant conflicts in order to justify your need to hate Christianity, while at the same time you bemoan our lack of solidarity.Having a superior white boy college educated intellect, you tell us that our religion, which forms the primary piece of our culture (and in the case of Irish Christianity, has already saved Western Civilization once) is a Warmongering Evil, yet you also tell us that we ought to fight Islam.

What the hell do you WANT from us?!? "Fight Islam! But don't think that you are any better. Heavens no! You Christians are Evil Warmonger Intolerant Fools just like the Muslims ... but don't let that stop you -- go out here and fight!"Just tell us this one thing (no bullsh!t, now) who is the real threat? The Evid Prod down the street with his nefarious designs on the Six Counties or the nice friendly Muslim/African/Asian invasion.Which would you rather live with: a one-in-a-million chance of being killed in Northern Ireland, or all your daughters worshipping Allah, speaking Arabic, wearing potato sacks over their heads, and squirting out a dozen babies for some domestic tyrant?

Look, Irish, we are long past the days of piddly PC atheism. Go ahead, feel superior to us. But don't trash us with pathetic examples and then wring your hands wondering why we cannot muster enough intestinal fortitude to fight back. It is a New World, Irish, and we need men with b@lls who can see reality for what it is, see the real threat, and stop scoring College Educated White Boy Intellectual Superiority Points by sneering at little old Irish ladies who go to Mass everyday.

If you are on our side, you will find a way to inspire us, and that means dropping the gratuitous Smart College Educated White Boy digs about evil Christians. Are you going to take away any pride we have in our ethnicity/religion/culture or are you going to make common cause with us.The time has come. There are only a few years left for Europe and the Anglosphere. Which side are you on? Are you a liberal guiltmonger or are you with us? Make up your mind.

PS: If you sincerely wonder why liberal humanism has no backbone, go read extensively at Lawrence Auster's website (www.amnation.com/vfr) "View from the Right". It has many extensive and well-thought analyses of liberalism/humanism and why it is gutless. This is the core focus of his website since it is the debilitating rot at the core of Western thought. He explains things like why atheists attack Christianity and their own cultures for mere trivialities and excuse horrible crimes committed by The Other in their midst."

Ok, I respond briefly as follows:

It is indisputable that religion has formed the basis for some of the most ghastly events in history, and Christianity is in there with the best of them. For the most part Christianity has now gone beyond that and more fully represents what Jesus actually taught. This I believe in part derives from the very fact that it has lost much of its temporal power.

The only downside from this inability to command and unify like it once did lies with the fact that we now have little other than rationalism to unite us. And that's proving to be a very weak alternative.

So my message is, we muscular Christianity might be the only thing to effectively oppose the existential threat from Islam.

PS: Not only do I read Laurence Auster's site - I'm linked to it!

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Savant,
It seems to me that by highlighting the machinations of crazy Islamists, it somehow serves to divert attention from the real destroyers of our own little piece of civilization. Because the real architects of our destruction are of course not the Islamists acting alone but rather our own “Liberal Elite” who provide the “Trojan” horse to them, so to speak.
These so-called Liberals have already proven to be a most subversive and most toxic influence either within European or indeed Irish society over the last 2000 years, and indeed in the case of this country, surpassing in destructive consequences, even the worst that our larger neighbour ever threw at us throughout our troubled and lengthy history. The agenda of our own “liberals” to my own way of thinking will ultimately prove far more terminal than anything the Islamists may yet hurl at us, at least in the immediate future.

Most religions are grounded in some whacky delusional dogma, wilful indoctrination, and demanding of blind obedience. In essence however they provide little more than self-induced dementia. They come in many shapes and varieties. The only question which arises then is whether one particular brand of such “religious induced” dementia is manifestly more dangerous than another, and of course here Islam does score maximum points.

But yet if ever forced to make a choice, as to the least destructive force, between Islamists or “liberals” I think that I would have to choose Islam. Because it remains to my own opinion the less threatening of the two for the present time.

One thing abundantly clear is that Islam will certainly never be tolerant to any degree of “liberalism”. Even while demented Western “liberals” themselves seem eager and willing to act as cringing apologists for it. But while Islamic nations may be considered, particularly barbaric and backward, they are certainly not on the other hand, rushing headlong into the same levels of decadence and chaos that Western society now appears to be heading. Western civilisation gives every indication of being self-mutilating, even imploding upon itself,even to the point of now being apologetic for its achievements!
But this surely is not the product of Islam alone, but rather is more directly attributable to the Trojan handiwork of our own “liberals”. For while behaving liberally towards all others, they inevitably they do so at the expense of their own.

You may hold certain reservations about my musings above, but tune in some time to any TV interview where the blessed Mary R. might be pontificating. Yes, she the most sanctimonious one, of UN notoriety. She who had bestowed upon her, many blessed mansions in Geneva, New York, and Co. Mayo but to name a few. Surely if you have ever set eyes upon the face of a deep seated insanity, then it will be clearly recognisable, imprinted upon her visage and within her utterances. The true face of a pious and ardent liberal.

But perhaps another small test to gauge the potency of the deadly Liberal virus which has been released upon us all; just take a look at the website of NCCRI. Or indeed the many others “multiculturalists” who are now clamouring for the dismemberment of our own historic small island nation, so as to make way for their brave “new” more fragmented United Nations of Ireland, while our own so- called elected representatives watch idly from the sideline as though preparing for the wake.
Or watch while RTE blatantly manipulate news, facts and situations to conform to their own strictures of PC, dictated once again by our own “liberals”. Watch while our political masters like white bwanas disburse a Billion of Irish taxpayers’ money annually to a handful of African despots, while at home their colleagues are forced to defend a crumbling,disorganised, third world so-called health care service, mainly to appease Bono and Geldorf.
Listen to the news reports of Irish children forced to attend sub-standard and even rat-infested schools, while our elected representatives seem more eager to squander 300-400 million annually on a farcical asylum system, one which regularly attracts scavengers and scammers from as far away as 5,000 klms. The list is too long and depressing.
Then consider the role our liberals play.

Anonymous said...

Savant,
It seems to me that by highlighting the machinations of crazy Islamists, it somehow serves to divert attention from the real destroyers of our own little piece of civilization. Because the real architects of our destruction are of course not the Islamists acting alone but rather our own “Liberal Elite” who maintain the “Trojan” horse for them, so to speak.
These so-called Liberals have already proven to be a most subversive and most toxic influence either within European or indeed Irish society over the last 2000 years, and indeed in the case of this country, surpassing in destructive consequences, even the worst that our larger neighbour ever threw at us throughout our troubled and lengthy history. The agenda of our own “liberals” to my own way of thinking will ultimately prove far more deadly than anything the Islamists may yet hurl at us, at least in the immediate future.

Most religions are grounded in some whacky delusional dogma, wilful indoctrination, and demanding of blind obedience. In essence however they provide little more than self-induced dementia. They come in many shapes and varieties. The only question which arises then is whether one particular brand of such “religious induced” dementia is manifestly more dangerous than another, and of course here Islam does score maximum points.

But yet if ever forced to make a choice, as to the least destructive force, between Islamists or “liberals” I think that I would have to choose Islam. Because it remains to my own opinion the less threatening of the two for the present time.

One thing manifestly clear is that Islam will certainly never be tolerant to any degree of “liberalism”. Even while demented “liberals” themselves seem eager and willing to act as cringing apologists for it. But while Islamic nations may be considered, particularly barbaric and backward, they are certainly not on the other hand, rushing headlong into the same levels of decadence and chaos that Western society now appears to be heading. Western civilisation gives every indication of being self-mutilating, even imploding upon itself, to the point of even being almost apologetic for any of its achievements!
But this surely is not the product of Islam alone, but rather is more directly attributable to the Trojan handiwork of our own “liberals”. For while behaving liberally towards all others, they inevitably they do so at the expense of their own.

You may hold certain reservations about my musings above, but tune in some time to any TV interview where the blessed Mary R. might be pontificating. Yes, she the most sanctimonious one, of UN notoriety. She who had bestowed upon her, many blessed mansions in Geneva, New York, and Co. Mayo but to name a few. Surely if you have ever clapped eyes upon the face of a deep seated insanity, then it will be clearly recognisable, imprinted upon her visage and within her utterances. The true face of a pious and ardent liberal.

But perhaps another small test to gauge the potency of the deadly Liberal virus which has been released upon us all; just take a look at the website of NCCRI. Or indeed the many others “multiculturalists” who are now clamouring for the dismemberment of our own historic small island nation, so as to make way for their “new” more fragmented United nations of Ireland, while our own so- called elected representatives watch idly from the sideline as though preparing for the wake.
Or watch while RTE blatantly manipulate news, facts and situations to conform to their own strictures of PC, dictated once again by our own fascist “liberals”. Watch while our political masters like white bwanas disburse a Billion of Irish taxpayers’ money annually to a handful of African despots, while at home their colleagues are forced to defend a crumbling, third world so-called health care service, mainly to appease Bono and Geldorf.
Listen to the news reports of Irish children forced to attend sub-standard and even rat-infested schools, while our elected representatives seem more eager to squander 300-400 million annually on a farcical asylum system, one which regularly attracts scavengers and scammers from as far away as 5,000 klms. The list is too long and depressing.
Then consider the role our liberals play.

skot german said...

Savant:

If there is no God and this life all there is, why would I care about the future of my race or country, other than how it might affect my plans or my offspring?

I can future proof my offspring by telling them that there is no God, that the patriot is a fool, that you are best off not having children and that your only obligation is to yourself. Say whatever you have to say, go wherever you have to go and do whatever you have to do to make yourself happy in this life. Every decision you make should be selfish.

Anonymous said...

The irony is that, by your relentless attack on Christianity you end up by equating it with Islam. So i dont see the logic of your position at all.