Wednesday, 19 September 2012

Surprise! PC Bent is bent

Here's a photo of the thuggish Aston Villa striker Darren Bent.  Would you feel reassured if you saw him, dressed in a policeman's uniform, as you responded to a knock on your door? Not exactly your traditional British bobby, is he? We can reasonably assume that he physically resembles his cousin PC Richard Bent.

Hard to imagine anyone but a sociology professor being surprised, but Richard unerringly carried the traditions and practises of his ethnic group into his new job as a policeman.  Not to put too fine a point on it, if he came across money while working he just robbed it.  Why not? was probably his rationale. In one case, having pocketed the cash found on a dead man he dismissed colleagues' objections with 'No offence, but the geezer's dead, ain't he?'

Now that's the kind of law enforcement officer the country wants.

Now a black helping himself to what's not his hardly merits a post here. My point in fact is that the force-fed enriching of the police force, and all other such institutions with diversiteeee, results in those same institutions  being fundamentally degraded and undermined. Perhaps irredeemably.

The police in Britain are but a shadow of the friendly efficient force they were but two generations ago. Like just about everything else, mass immigration of Third World people has brought with it the very characteristics that made those countries, well, Turd World. Can anyone, apart from my sociology professor, be surprised if an immigrant from Nigeria or Jamaica behaves like a Nigerian or a Jamaican?

As I have said on many an occasion, future historians will look back on us and our self-imposed destruction with the kind of wonder now reserved for the Roman Empire or the doomed kingdoms of Easter Island.

125 comments:

Robert the Biker said...

Did the coppers fellows dob him in or was it a member of the public?
PC will be the death of us yet.

Shaunantijihad said...

Future historians will not mention to their new coffee coloured cattle of all that was lost, or of the civilisations that went before. But they will rejoice over the hidden truth privately, in Hebrew or Yiddish.

Unless, the US military is awoken to the fact the Jews in the USA and Israel committed 911. And then the tide will turn, worldwide.

blueboy said...

I agree about the US military. They're our only hope. Surely enough of them must know now that Israel and our own traitors did 9/11? Mysers was in on it for sure.

Calculus said...

OH well, with miniature cameras it will be easier to catch the enrichers slacking or just breaking the law in all these AA positions.
But check on this, Prof. Stern (OK, Stearns...) tells us that:
http://news.yahoo.com/humans-eventually-look-brazilians-140349518.html

In the comments, there is a black guy lamenting that he cannot get enough white pussy, and that's no good for him if everybody looks brown. Sort of a circular argument here, but i don't think he realizes it.

Anonymous said...

I bet Prof. Stern is just delighted with that. Imagine, no white skinor blue eyes.

secret squirrel said...

The US military above a certain level are basically political appointees. They're vetted like politicians, do they feel the ends justify the means, that sort of thing. Ever see them testify in congress? They lie with the best of them.

The ones that count, already know about 9-11 or were in on it to some degree, if only through complicity. They know about blowing things up. Plenty of enlisted know, but so what? The ones it bothered got out, leaving plenty of gang bangers and crminals behind. You guys do know the military,especially the Army, is heavily black and hispanic? People have predicted for 50+ years blacks would turn their weapons on whites.

We killed our best chance at escaping zionist control in WWII.

Anonymous said...

Future historians---will they remember that ageless maxim, "They whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad........". All around us we see it.

Anonymous said...

US Military = most combat troops are white, non-whites almost totally support roles.

JP

Nastiest Uncle said...

From bent coppers to Jews did 911 in two replies. With brainboxes like these in the anti-immigration movement, is it any wonder that we are being colonised?

We have a majority of the population who are being frog-marched to their own destruction and they don't care. We have a few thousand people (at most) who are actually doing some good in the defense of the white people. Then we have thousands more who are undoing all the good work by hating Jews more than they love their own people.

I'm wondering if there is any point in fighting. Why not just adopt an 'I'm alright, Jack' attitude and leave everyone to their fate.

Fuck it. I'm off to spread some lies about a van full of explosives being found on a bridge in New York or some Mossad dudes dancing when the planes they had been waiting for finally hit the towers.

Anonymous said...

Savant,

It’s the organisation known as ‘Common Purpose’ that’s placing the impulsive, backward, incompetent negro into positions of authority throughout the UK (civil servants, council officials, traffic wardens, PCSO’s etc) thus enabling the negro to gain the whip hand over the indigenous white Christian community.

This Zionist-controlled fifth column is the root cause of the corruption, mismanagement and WILFUL incompetence at every Government department (Home Office (UKBA), MoD etc).

By the way, check out Common Purpose Ireland http://www.commonpurpose.ie/. The first image you see is that of a negress (“Director” Heydi Foster).

http://cpexposed.com/
http://www.stopcp.com/
http://www.stopcp.com/findcpmembers.php
http://www.ukcolumn.org/

Frank Galton

secret squirrel said...

More fun Orthodox Jew facts: In the kaballah(the part of the talmud with magic) the rabbi says in the garden of eden the serpent(lucifer) really said the blessed holy one ate from this tree and created the world...eat from it too and you will be creating worlds..." If you wondered how mormon magic underwear(made from' fig leaves' of this tree like adam wore) and the masonic apron tied in(it gives them magic power too), and the mormon belief that after death they'll be ruler of their own world, well, there's a clue. Its all about the underwear ;-)

All mystery religions are judaic in origin. Judaism has nothing to do with the religion of the bible. They say Moses told them secret laws orally, passed down through rabbis and finally written in the Talmud, which is their *true* holy book. Ask a jew about old testament bible stoties and they wont have a clue. Jesus ridiculed them and said if Moses gave them any secret laws they'd follow gods word and be Christians, which is why they despise him to this day.

These are big secrets I'm telling you, they kill people for less.

Lupus said...

To some extent I think there has been a 'mutiny' within the US Military. I can't remember top American generals making statements like this against Israel before:

http://www.darkmoon.me/2012/a-warning-to-israel/


Assassination attempt on Dempsey?

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/israel-assassination-attempt-on-general-dempsey-in-afghanistan


From 'mutiny' to mutiny

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/an-american-mutiny-in-the-persian-gulf-28/

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/will-a-mutiny-in-the-gulf-lead-to-an-american-military-coup-2/


Or perhaps it is merely a split in Washington between pro-Israel and PRO-Israel factions ;-)

Maybe it is just a case of telling Israel to "cool it!".

Anonymous said...

Future historians?What future historians?Morality,science,agriculture,art,philosophy etc will be gone, once the Whites are destroyed.Blacks invented fistula,kikes invented holo$$$x and scatology.

SAVANT said...

@Frank G. Yes, I'm very aware of CP. A most damaging organisation which has its tenticles throughout the public sector.

Anonymous said...

There are millions of Whites who understand perfectly what jews are doing to Whites and White cultures though out the world. I think it's time Whites start fighting back and doing it to the perfidious jews in spades.

katana said...

>Nastiest Uncle said...
From bent coppers to Jews did 911 in two replies. With brainboxes like these in the anti-immigration movement, is it any wonder that we are being colonised?

We have a majority of the population who are being frog-marched to their own destruction and they don't care. We have a few thousand people (at most) who are actually doing some good in the defense of the white people. Then we have thousands more who are undoing all the good work by hating Jews more than they love their own people.
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I think your obvious and deep concern for the majority of the population being destroyed by non-white immigration, and lack of research on the topic, is clouding your judgement.

You are simply urging us to focus on the symptoms on our destruction rather than also focusing on the root cause, the disease itself. Both should be done. When villagers are dropping like flies from some poison they need to be treated. But we must also must discover the source of the poison.

And many diligent investigators in history and now have identified the wholesalers of this poison as the jews. People become to hate jews for the same reason that poisoned villagers become to hate their killers.

People hate jews because they love their own people and are sickened by what jews have done and are doing to them.

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For some educational podcasts on these issues, please have a look at this site:

http://thewhitenetwork.com

the White network
Whites talking to Whites about White interests

Nastiest Uncle said...

Regarding Common Purpose, does anyone have any links to sites about them which don't rely on hearsay ot gossip?

I'm interested in hearing some concrete evidence about them but I can't find any, just stuff which makes them look shady and secretive.

Are there any TV documentary exposes or anything?

euroserf said...

@Nastiest. You can get a fairly reliable idea here.http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_common_purpose.htm

Also David Icke has done a fair biton them.

Calculus said...

Nastiest Uncle,

Let's not forget the big picture.
You are talking here in a blog with relatively few followers and NOT in the main media, where basicaly all the power is, precisely because the msm are hostile to the idea of nationalism, especially white nationalism. So the choice is not really ours here, but in the msm to change their stance and influence the main stream policies accordingly.
For example, I 'm sure savant would accept his archennemy, the prime minister of Ireland, to speak here on his blog, but that would still have a smaller impact than the msm inviting Savant to express his views on the tely.
When you say "Then we have thousands more who are undoing all the good work by hating Jews more than they love their own people."
Well, yes, but you forget that jews are reciprocally hating us at least as much by destroying all the occidental countries. We are not undoing anything, they do. It is unfair to ask those powerless to change their mind as you do, beside, would that change anything in term of immigration, jobs, identity, if suddenly all the nationalists had Stockolhm Syndrome, fell in love for the jews and stopped ranting against them?

Nastiest Uncle said...

@euroserf 14:57

"@Nastiest. You can get a fairly reliable idea here.http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_common_purpose.htm

Also David Icke has done a fair biton them."

David Icke is thoroughly useless as a source, as he believes in reptoid hypothesis, moon matrix, red dresses etc. The guy is clearly insane. He believes that he is the son of god. That alone should cause you never to go near him with a six foot pole but still you advocate him as a reliable source. Please do not reply to any of my posts from now on. You have nothing useful to add to a discussion except to expose the gullibility of some of the people in it, and you have done that already.

People, this is all I am asking for:
-reliable sources about the evil of common purpose. If they are a left wing, pro-multi-culti organisation then I'm sure they are a bad thing, but I need proof. I need ten of their 80,000 graduates to come forward and expose. I need to see hidden camera footage of their programmes, secret recordings of conversations with their directors, etc.

If you are a David Icke believer or you are gullible enough to think that Anne Frank's diary was written in ballpoint pen or if you think the Holocaust never happened, then I don't want to hear from you. I only want to hear from sane, intelligent, reliable and honest people.
Should be easy. Now flood me with with those links.

Nastiest Uncle said...

"Nastiest Uncle said...
Regarding Common Purpose, does anyone have any links to sites about them which don't rely on hearsay ot gossip?

I'm interested in hearing some concrete evidence about them but I can't find any, just stuff which makes them look shady and secretive.

Are there any TV documentary exposes or anything?

20 September 2012 14:07"

My stalker again, not me!

Nastiest Uncle said...

katana said...

"I think your obvious and deep concern for the majority of the population being destroyed by non-white immigration, and lack of research on the topic, is clouding your judgement."

Lack of research? Ah yes, because there is so much 'proof' (made up shit) out there that anyone who doesn't believe the usual bullshit must have just not done their research.

"You are simply urging us to focus on the symptoms on our destruction rather than also focusing on the root cause, the disease itself. Both should be done. When villagers are dropping like flies from some poison they need to be treated. But we must also must discover the source of the poison."

The root cause? Oh yes, it's all the Jews' fault. Sigh.

"And many diligent investigators in history and now have identified the wholesalers of this poison as the jews. People become to hate jews for the same reason that poisoned villagers become to hate their killers."

No, no, no. Many national socialist diligent investigators in history have identified the poison as the Jews. Historians not afflicted by the mind disease of national socialist belief have been able to be much more accurate.

"People hate jews because they love their own people and are sickened by what jews have done and are doing to them."

People have Jews for a number of reasons and if they can come up with some good enough reasons then fine. But all I ever see is bullshit.

"For some educational podcasts on these issues, please have a look at this site:

http://thewhitenetwork.com"

Thanks for the link. My first concern was raised approximately 0.04 seconds after the site loaded when the first thing I saw was a picture of Adolf Hitler cuddling a child. A further ten or so seconds of investigation of the front page revealed that it was nothing more than a national socialist site. National socialists are poison to the anti-immigration movement. The presence of national socialists takes away our legitimacy.

Please don't give me any more links. You're not credible.

Anonymous said...

Nastiest Jew :

tv documentaries?!? LOL
You really suggest there's truth to be found in something a jew gatekeeper has permitted?!?

At the least you show a stunning intellectual laziness and childishness that would embarass a high school student.

Looking for a TV show for research. Wow. Maybe you're not a jew and simply dumb.

Nastiest Uncle said...

@Anonymous 15:56

"Nastiest Jew :

tv documentaries?!? LOL
You really suggest there's truth to be found in something a jew gatekeeper has permitted?!?"

Well, the 'jew gatekeepers' seemed to have allowed several exposes of Muslims, Islam, Mosques and Muslim interference in politics even though Islam is protected, so if that's possible then anything is possible.

"At the least you show a stunning intellectual laziness and childishness that would embarass a high school student."

But actually, it's back atcha isn't it :)

"Looking for a TV show for research. Wow. Maybe you're not a jew and simply dumb."

Yes. Well I'm not holding up any hope for The One Show presenting a no-holds-barred expose of Common Purpose, but it's certainly something which would appear on Channel 4. Dispatches was the one which did undercover mosques. Investigative journalism does exist, regardless of any assertion that Jews run the media.

Nastiest Uncle said...

Come on people, any links that will help the anti-immigration and repatriation movement? Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, Israel for Jews!

Nastiest Uncle said...

For the slow kids out there, let me explain. My aim is to continue to associate you with the "Nazis!" in the hope that the indoctrination you have gone through since childhood will shame you. I am also trying to provoke more and more anti-Semitic outbursts so this blog receives a reputation as just another Jew hating blog. If I can get you to flood the comments with praise of Hitler even better.

I will mention anti-immigration just enough to try and steer you away from 9/11, reptoids and Jews. You are all failing anti-immigration, not I. My efforts to thwart mass Third World immigration revolve around me bashing Savant, I will certainly not tell you of my own activism, blogs or articles. I do better work lurking in the comments section, casual readers never delve deeply into the comments, so my message is lost on all but you. Maybe I should consider setting up my own blog in which I discuss anti-immigration rather than waste my time on a handful of Jew haters. But that would be too practical and isn't in my brief. If I really cared about anti-immigration I wouldn't be wasting my time arguing the toss with you lot, would I?

kulak said...

N.U. says: With brainboxes like these in the anti-immigration movement

Fortunately, I'm not in an "anti-immigration" movement.

If I was in an "anti-immigration" movement, I'd end up with a Jew for a leader.

And in the U.S. I'd end up dead.

Here in the states, the immigration battle is long lost. There are already far more than enough darkies to make it a neocon paradise.

And as far as I'm concerned, any number of white immigrants are welcome in the states. Legal or illegal.

Nastiest Uncle said...

My stalker is being pretty active today. I wonder if he whacks off or me yet.



nastiestuncle said...

Testing this shit, my niggaz.

The truth will out said...

Well said Shadow of rabbi Nastiest
16:54

Well spotted.

I notice we hardly start to obsess in such disparaging terms about the juwes (let alone his real obsession - The GAYS), certainly not so aggressively until he starts up the usual shite, it only becomes virulent and nasty when rabbi Nastiest comes on here.
Perhaps we should try ands stick to the subjects Savant writes of rather than allow the meddling hasbarats to alter the course of dialogue.

Leader Of 'Anti-Semitic' Party In Hungary Discovers He's Jewish
Interesting to note, that it wasn't so much an 'anti-semitic party' (It's actually nationalist one called the Jobbik Party] only it became known as such, when the yet to be outed leader started to become ever more vocal and abusive about the juwes, which led to some members deciding that perhaps a blood test should be obtained...the results of which the article show.

Nastiest rabbi, perhaps you can seek out your answers about the communist nation wrecking "Common Purpose" on wikipedia.

About as reliable as some mainstream media documentary...

Nastiest Uncle said...

Oh now my stalker has set up a journal in my name. And no 'shadow', I do not whack off 'on' you or 'or' you. Such a grubby little mind you have, must be those reptoid joos with their mind control. Shameful fraud.

The truth will out said...

If I could expand a tad, I myself have no such qualms about myself being said to be 'anti-semitic' only this blog by Savant isn't.

Among some of my old black friends they have coined me the nickname, with affection I'll add, as Hitler.

You see living in the midst of this multicultural madness such as I do, I have to get on with my neighbours, which of course means compromise to the point of near complete submission to the ethnic invasion, but I digress.

Most immigrants detest juwes with open and free abandon, it's only whites that truly fear the accusation of 'anti-semite' which I have learnt is merely a smear, a tactic and itself an impossibility.
For I love my Palestinian brothers and have never uttered a single negative word against my Christian and Muslim Palestinian bothers and sisters.

Personally I reckon it's those sneaky false fucking juwes behind all this 'anti-semitism' magick word bollox.

I often promote the works of Louis Farrakhan and this great speech by Ray Hagins: The illegitimacy of a people called JEWS.

Trust me, I've opened up many people eyes with these two guys, it works very well with completely brainwashed multi-culti-lovin white people especially, as they seem to take the information from a black brother more readily than if a blonde haired blue-eyed devil goy like me says it.

fitzfitz said...

I have just come across your blog ... phew ... and will be a regular visitor but, race-wise, I will never cross East of the Shannon again ...

beppo said...

Laugh for the day:

Shatter condemns presence of Real IRA at funeral - ' they want to drag Ireland back to a dark past'.

Between them and Shatter who is engaged in vigorously dragging it into a dark future...

beppo said...

Savvy, your reference to CP and it's tenticles has me concerned - is this organization so advanced that it has discovered a way to integrate testicles and tentacles.

If so, resistance is futile.

last white man in Peckham said...

OT
A Jewish supremacist shill attacks so-called Irish racism in today's Telegraph and gets a good kicking in the readers comments:

http://tinyurl.com/8dt8uxd

Shaunantijihad said...

Savant, you can see the hijack here no? These guys all posting essentially to each other (including "my stalker, sigh"), with the main idea to disparage such non-pc news and blogs - they seem to be especially active around September 11th.

Basically, they are about suggesting:

Believing the lunatic David Ike = believing the Jews murdered 6 million Ukrainians and 20 million Russians = believing the Ann Frank diary is real = being insane = believing WT7 fell down.

So tell me NU, why did WT7 fall down in it's own footprint? Was it hit by a WW2 ballpoint pen or by one of Ike's reptilian death rays?

Or, was it demolished by pre-planted explosives?

The most important thing about 911 is that it really is the one issue that will lead to war against Jews worldwide in enough military people know.

The same People are behind the destruction of the white race via mass immigration.

http://hardons-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/miscegenation-morality-of-death.html

Anonymous said...

Holo$$$x unsurvivor Ann Frank has been haunting this blog (not to mention schools, bookshops , main sewage media, libraries etc) for some time now. Are you looking for a ball, oops fountain pen Annelies?Ask the boy in the striped pyjamas or Misha the girl who dined, slept, danced and played cards (bridge to be precise) with wolves.Watch the movie Survivre avec les loups darling and you will find It.Ok I will reveal it to you right here and now, you don’t sound particularly smart .One of the wolves(Jeff was his name) wrote the screenplay using your fountain pen,then he sold It at Auschwitz`s flea market to doctor Mengele, who used it to make tattoo on Elie Wiesel`s forearm.Elie where the fuck is my tattoo Wiesel stole the pen and kept it up his rectum together with the screenplay (Jeff the Wolf smuggled the script to the camp, he had an affair with Hoss` Alsatian called Helga the diamonds sniffer).Follow the smell or Elie where the fuck is my tattoo Wiesel and you will be handsomely rewarded ( mostly diamonds, golden nuggets, screenplays, silver spoons,The Pen and occasional turd ).

Anonymous said...

I see nastiest uncle now has his own website - link above. I read the wholr thing. Not a single lie!

Nastiest Uncle said...

I am a wally!

Anonymous said...

is this organization so advanced that it has discovered a way to integrate testicles and tentacles

Sounds... Japanese.

former jew lover said...

anon 20:35-that gave me a good chuckle, thanks.

The TORAH is not simply the old testament, as jews want gentiles to believe.. The other torah, the oral torah, is the Talmud, told by Moses to only the jew and rabbis furiously scribbled it all down later, complete with interpretations.

The only Torah that counts, the one they study, is the Talmud. If they look at the bible at all, its through talmudic glasses. The Talmud informs them only jews are human, everybody else is goy cattle, put here as slaves for jews.

Think of them as Christians that converted to Voodoo. That doesn't make them Voodoo-Christians, does it?

No, its another jew misdirection, like the two torahs they never tell you about. They know links to Christianity will gain them acceptance, money, and not least of which a political cover, so they promote the preposterous idea of judeo-christianity, which is like saying voodoo-Christianity.

RegThe Hedge said...

Nastiest Uncle what the hell makes you think you are wanted here? Did someone gush out that your are a very clever guy and they hang upon your every word?
Who do you think you are to state what you want to see posted and what you don't want to see posted?

You are some twit who has recently discovered nationalism. I now know you aren't a seasoned joo because you don't even have a coherent argument. You are posting here on a miguided ego trip. You are also too stupid to realise you are stupid.

I also know you are not part of some team of misinformation minions because you haven't the faintest idea of how to persuade people. You are so useless you have actually turned into a troll. You started with a very childish type of persuasion and now you are trying to coerce people to adopt your opinions by deriding their intelligence and belittling them. Had you even read the first chapter in any book on human nature then you'd know that is the absolute last way you'll every turn a person to your ideas.
Go off and educate yourself before you try and communicate with people here. You are the biggest idiot that has posted here in my memory.

SAVANT said...

Alright, godammit, I put an i instead of an a and I'm getting no end of grief for it.

Jesus, you guys are stern task-masters......

Uncle Nasty said...

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Savant ... a request, if I may.

Please note, while I would never infringe the right of anyone to sensible comment, it would be great if you would take the posts of the various fake incarnations of my nick (UN) and post them in their own thread, so that they don't clutter up the serious efforts of the real posters.

Having to plow though the maunderings of the alter-egos of a homosexual jewish adolescent -- and I have to assume that he is such -- to get to real comment, is like having a creature in the bedroom that is a cross between a one-pound mosquito and a yapping Maltese poodle, nipping at your ankles while you are trying to thread a needle.

Or at the very least, would it be possible to print his comments in a suitable colour (lavender would be good) as a warning?

Thanks and Regards,

UN
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Uncle Nasty said...

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Further to Reg's and Shaun's posts above, this is for the trolls:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/09/18/how-to-be-a-good-commenter/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Read and learn, boy. Read and learn.

To these, I add my own: Beg, borrow or steal a fairly original nickname. Hell, go out and buy one if necessary.

UN
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Anonymous said...

Negroes. They're a whole other culture, and one that's not mine. Where, for eff's sake,is there left on the globe where these knappy-heads aren't to be found????????

Uncle Nasty said...

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Here's something you may find interesting ...

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/09/19/origins-of-racism/#comments

I found this in the Inhuman Bondage footnotes:

“According to Imanuel Geiss, the neologism “racism” originated in Germany in the 1920s as a polemical term denouncing Nazi ideology.”

“Racism” first appeared in America in 1936 in an anti-fascist pamphlet.


Amazing what you find when you look ...

UN
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SAVANT said...

UN, sorry, Blogger doesn't allow the blog owner to interfere in any way with a comment. The only choice is to publish or bin. My view here, I think you know it, is to let debate flow. I realise that various posters here are getting a lot of other people very angry, but, well, we don't want to take the Religion of Peace solution, do we....ban waht we don't like?

nastiestuncle said...

@RegThe Hedge 22:32

My brother in Rastafarianism, I don't expect people to magically devote themselves to facts and logic because I'm nice to them, because I'm not; I speak to them like they are dirt. I am the nastiest of all the uncles after all. I only want them to adopt facts and logic because they have become better people :)

National socialists like to think that they are the ubermenschen. Let them prove it by dedicating themselves to the facts. As it is now, there are as yet undiscovered tribes of spear-chuckers in the Congo who are more sophisticated than having to believe in David Icke (he's the son of god don't you know).

Let me know when you have finished your self-improvement.

Sieg Heil, my Nubian friend :)

Now, about Common Purpose. Although I don't doubt that this organisation is bollocks, rather than taking the standard national socialist approach and believing anything about them which stimulates by pre-conceived prejudices, regardless of whether it has any basis in fact, and preferably something which has been pulled out of the ass of David Icke, I would prefer to see some real facts as described in my post above.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know what's happened to Mike Smith's SA blog?

JP

kulak said...

I hate Scalzi.

And I foolishly paid retail to find that out.

Never again!

Uncle Nasty said...

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SAVANT said...

UN, sorry, Blogger doesn't allow the blog owner to interfere in any way with a comment. The only choice is to publish or bin. My view here, I think you know it, is to let debate flow.


... and flow, albeit with the occasional lumps, splatters and alarming farty noises, it most certainly does, Savant.

Wouldn't have it any other way.

UN
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Nastiest Uncle said...

@ Shaunantijihad

Actually, I have nothing to do with NU, I am merely an anti-NU, my purpose was to mimic and mock. I was hoping that our devout self-proclaimed anti-immigration adherent, the original NU, would actually get round to telling us of his many anti-immigration ideas and guide us to the 'Promised Land'. Sadly, that is not his role, his task was to 'Savant bash' and to play with smoke and mirrors. Obviously there are those WN who have no interest in the 9/11 or have no wish to go down the Holohoax road. But notice how he always tagged those subjects with talk of mind control and reptillians...why would he do that? Anyway, my job with him is done, he can have his name back if only because I have no wish to be bothersome to the likes of you and UN, with apologies to him. So, rather than NU wasting his time telling us we are wasting our time, let us hope he tells us something useful, you know, some anti-imm. stuff, examples of his own activism: his own blog, perhaps?

Anyway, the anti-Semite Nastiest Uncle signing off, I'll leave you to his Savant bashing ways. Oy vay!

AnalogMan said...

Rabid Squirrel, what is it with you and the Mormons? Are you seriously suggesting that it's really the Mormons who are destroying civilization? Is this some kind of Jewish misdirection trick?

J Bull said...

Things have gone haywire on the comments section of this blog over the last few weeks. Don't know what the fuck is going on.

Anonymous said...

Here's a good quote from Scalzi which NU and the rest of the Hasbarats woould do well to imbibe.

'Some people have to be right, and can’t abide when others don’t recognize their fundamental right to be right, and will thus keep making attempts to be right long after it is clear to every other person that the conversation is going nowhere and the remaining participants are simply being tiresome.'

secret squirrel said...

analogman-why so defensive? I like their family oriented ads on television too, and the mormons I know are really nice people.

I was just pointing out that mormons, like other mystery religions such as the church of satan and freemasonry and new agers, are based on the jewish kaballah at their core, and I was relating that based on the little people commonly know, the magic underwear and aprons to show the relationship.

It's not slander or misdirection, it's just fact. This stuff is secret for a reason. Knowledge is pain. If you're bothered, just turn on the tv and pretend I made it up.

I welcome the dialogue, thanks for the inquiry.

Clovis said...

Actually I think Nastiest Uncle's stalker is very smart. Took me a minute to see what he was at but check back on his posts. They're quite subtle in the way they take the piss out of the real NU.

Anonymous said...

Hmm maybe my last comment got et.

Nah no jew misdirection. I'll make it fast -Joseph Smith founder of Morminism was a freemason, which is founded on judaic kabbalah(magic). He used the kabbalah as the foundation for Mormonism. A 2 second google search will show that. I was explaining the connection.

All mystery religions are founded on the kabbalah. That's why they're a mystery. If you tell the uninitiated, the vast majority of members, that the core beliefs are actually sex majik, lucifer worship and conjuring fucking demons, they tend to shy away.

That's why you get the family centric ads by the LDS on TV. Phallus and demon worship just doesn't sell.

Don't be afraid, let your fingers do the walking on google and check it out. Knowledge is pain.

Iron Felix said...

Dear oh dear, things have got into quite a state of ferment on this posting, haven't they. Could you all settle down please?

Anonymous said...

Savant wasn't there a linked story about a petitte prison officer who became a lover of a prisoner and tried to help him because as a minority she understood minorities and crime.

Anonymous said...

Among some of my old black friends they have coined me the nickname, with affection I'll add, as Hitler.

Hitler is the forename of some Zimbabwean guy.

He starred in The Sun if you know what I mean.

Shaunantijihad said...

" J Bull said...
Things have gone haywire on the comments section of this blog over the last few weeks. Don't know what the fuck is going on."

You will notice that these new posters always appear at September 11th in huge numbers, because more people are asking questions online about WT7.

They deliberately post a reasonable comment about about 911 and then reference David Ike so a colleague can then lambast any 911 truther as being a believer in lizard rulers or such crap.

This is to associate the truth about the Jews and Israel with insanity, and drive new people away. They do it every year.

Anonymous said...

Ask the boy in the striped pyjamas or Misha the girl who dined, slept, danced and played cards (bridge to be precise) with wolves.

Ask ELIE Wiesel him without the concentration camp tattoo.

resisting colonisation said...

Fat slob, 30 year old Pakistani man attacks 81 year old white woman in road rage attack. No mention of this on the BBC of course, imagine if it had been the other way round, we would never hear the last of it.

From today's Daily Mail:

http://tinyurl.com/cq2mj5f

nastiestuncle said...

My niggaz.

I haven't seen any evidence yet that 911 was done by Jews.

Could someone produce some evidence for this, and by evidence I don't mean from a source which believes in anything David Icke says or from any website which has the word 'truth' in the title or from any source which is known to lie. For example, if the source states that Mossad agents filmed the attacks or were caught in a van carrying explosives or that some Mossad agents went on TV in Israel and admitted it then it's not a reliable source as those statements are known to be lies. If the source believes in the reptilian stuff then it's not a reliable source. If the URL is something like 911truth4real.blogspot.com then it's not a reliable source.

So come on my niggaz. Let's see the proof. If it's so self evident then it should be easy. Then I can start believing as you all believe then I don't have to upset so many people or make them cry like I have been doing.

I'm also still waiting for that Common Purpose evidence.

Does anyone have anything other than hearsay or proven lies?

Come on my niggaz.

nastiestuncle said...

@Shaunantijihad 11:58

"You will notice that these new posters always appear at September 11th in huge numbers, because more people are asking questions online about WT7.

They deliberately post a reasonable comment about about 911 and then reference David Ike so a colleague can then lambast any 911 truther as being a believer in lizard rulers or such crap.

This is to associate the truth about the Jews and Israel with insanity, and drive new people away. They do it every year."

That's right, my brother in Islam. It's all a conspiracy. I used to be an ordinary run-of-the-mill enlightened 911 troofer, but then the government put some chemicals in my contrails and I began to grow scales. Then I dug a hole to live in and discovered all the other Jews and they said they would make pastries out of my blood unless I came to Savant's blog and told lies so that the Rothschilds could install another central bank in your back garden.

I'll be back in a bit. My Rabbi is on the line. He needs a new dredel. But not just any dredel. He needs the one which was carried by the pilot of the first cruise missile to hit the Twin Towers. This dredel has the power to make things look like planes and my Rabbi fancies looking like a plane for the rest of the afternoon. He just enjoys sitting there looking like a plane. Too many contrails I think!

kulak said...

Interesting goings on in Serbia.

And good on Russia for kicking out USAID.

Anonymous said...

In 1981, Jack Glenn, director of the popular 1940s newsreel series March of Time, died at age 76. His obituary, distributed by the Associated Press [and published in the Bergen, New Jersey, Sunday Record on February 15, 1981] let slip an amazing revelation:

“As senior director for the popular movie house newsreel, he often created world events with actors and movie sets. One such news feature film, Inside Nazi Germany, made in 1938, included footage of a “concentration camp” that was filmed on Staten Island with scores of New York City actors. Much of the film’s footage was shot within the borders of the Third Reich by a free-lance cameraman, but [Louis] Rochement [Glenn's producer] felt that the film had been censored by the German authorities and ordered Glenn to re-enact widely reported Nazi camp atrocities.”

Millions of Americans watching the “news”-reels in their local theatres were convinced that they were seeing “the real thing.” How many such images of “reality” that we see on a regular basis are actually the creation of movie magicians?

Anonymous said...

Off topic but the msm have gone too far

With reference to your using royal boobs and a climb by a minor.
This is how one sells manure to rocking horses!..been successful for centuries.
I am too old to be anything but a cynic. It is quite extraordinary how a couple of ‘cat up tree links’ used by the media have taken the focus off the chief constables ..up to 10 years it took, to act on reports Pakistani child molesters.
My hat off to folk who put themselves in harms way to protect others.
Do for now
incogfortoday

nastiestuncle said...

@resisting colonisation 13:01

"Fat slob, 30 year old Pakistani man attacks 81 year old white woman in road rage attack. No mention of this on the BBC of course, imagine if it had been the other way round, we would never hear the last of it.

From today's Daily Mail:

http://tinyurl.com/cq2mj5f"

I'm not disagreeing that the BBC are a worthless pile of PC crap but the fact that they didn't report this cannot be used as evidence of that. The reason for that is that each news source reports different news, otherwise they would all be the same.

Anonymous said...

With ref to boobs and a climb by a minor.
This is how one sells manure to rocking horses!..been successful for centuries.
I am too old to be anything but a cynic. It is quite extraordinary how a couple of ‘cat up tree links’ used by the media have taken the focus off the chief constables ..up to 10 years it took, to act on reports Pakistani child molesters.
My hat off to folk who put themselves in harms way to protect others.
Do for now
incogfortoday

Wolfhound said...

Savant, your goals are admirable, but this cretin has no interest in a debate on the issues discussed on this blog.

He's just trying to stir some shit, create a chaotic and boring narrative so any new posters will be turned off, attempt to mock regular posters at every opportunity with retarded references to lizardmen and outlandish theories with no grounding in reality (911 and rich jews conspiring against us is lumped in with this to discredit us even though it's completely logical).

There is no debate with this punk, debate is when regular posters on here disagree on certain issues and state their point of view. He or they are completely detracting from any possible debate.

It's very easy to spot when people just disagree and when others are just here to further their own misguided agenda.

Your blog, just my two cents on the matter.

heuristic said...

Shaunatijihad. I think you nailed it on the head. I have checked previous entries around 9/11 and low and behold, the same thing. On many blogs, by the way.

SAVANT said...

@NU. Perhaps i can help you. in the following posts I cite evidence which is not disputed by anyone as far as i know.

http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2010/09/can-anyone-explain.html

nastiestuncle said...

@SAVANT 21:55

"@NU. Perhaps i can help you. in the following posts I cite evidence which is not disputed by anyone as far as i know.

http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2010/09/can-anyone-explain.html"

I read your article and started digging and here is what I found.

1. The cemetery thing - no evidence that it ever happened. The claims vary slightly depending on which website reports them, but there appears to be no evidence that this incident ever happened. A freedom of information request to the FBI showed that they had no record of any meeting between their agents and the alleged informant. In any case, if it were true it would not prove that Israel did 911.

2. Celebrating Israelis - they set up their cameras before the attacks (they didn't, they set them up afterwards having read about the attacks on the internet and then driving to higher ground to get a look), they were celebrating (they said they were not but if they were, then it means that they were assholes, not that they knew it was going to happen), they had box cutters (they worked for a removals company, so...), they had cash on them (and what Jews don't, eh lads?), they had foreign passports (most Israelis have dual citizenship), they had marked maps (no evidence of this but if so, so what?), they said on a talk show that they were documenting the event (and so were thousands of other people that day - this is why we have videos and photos of the events as they happened).

So, more bullshit. In your article, you wrote that these Israelis "self-evidently knew in advance", and yet even if they were playing up for the camera like idiots, would that mean that they knew in advance? No, it wouldn't. Not sure why you said it would.

nastiestuncle said...

Further to point 1, I came up with some scanned letters from the waybackmachine pertaining to be from the FBI to the man who was said to have overheard people talking about planes flying into the twin towers, but there was no way to verify that they were real and in any case, they still add no weight to the assumption that Israel was behind 911.

cannibalrabbi said...

@ Anonymous said...

"Anyone know what's happened to Mike Smith's SA blog?

JP

21 September 2012 01:33"

Here.

http://the-anti-hegelian-dailect-blog.blogspot.be/

Anonymous said...

I remember seeing, as a child, an old short of an English cop lecturing the rookies on the "Golden Thread" between the people and the police - that's when England was white - probably made in the 50's - now England is Nigger - the "Golden Thread" is a coarse rope.
And Savant, you are right about 9-11, total joint operation between US and Israeli intelligence - idiots notwithstanding.

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous said...

" Anyone know what's happened to Mike Smith's SA blog?

JP

21 September 2012 01:33"

Here.

http://the-anti-hegelian-dailect-blog.blogspot.be/

And reasons not to debate the kike, although mockery is good fun. A sound thrashing, more so.

"Feodor Dostoevsky on the coming Jewish reign - "their complete reign"

http://mailstar.net/dostoievsky.html

Cannibal Rabbi

SAVANT said...

Nastiest Uncle. So what do you expect the FBI to say? 'Yes, we were given a clear and explicit warning but decided to ignore it because our Director was in on the plan?'

Your account of the 'dancing Israelis is simply not correct. And even within your own terms of reference you're having a hard time explaining it away. My friend, I have to agree with most of the rest on this blog, nameley, that you're not trying to find out the facts, rather to explain away the obvious Israeli involvement.

katana said...

SAVANT said...
Nastiest Uncle. So what do you expect the FBI to say? 'Yes, we were given a clear and explicit warning but decided to ignore it because our Director was in on the plan?'

Your account of the 'dancing Israelis is simply not correct. And even within your own terms of reference you're having a hard time explaining it away. My friend, I have to agree with most of the rest on this blog, nameley, that you're not trying to find out the facts, rather to explain away the obvious Israeli involvement.

22 September 2012 11:16
-------------------------
Well responded Savant.

Nastiest Uncle's attention to disputing circumstantial evidence of jewish involvement in 911 is telling.

Both issues, the alleged cemetery conversation and the dancing jews are not that important in terms of convicting jews of the crime.

The key evidence is that (1) the three building (WTC 1, 2 and 7) were irrefutably brought down by controlled demolition and (2) that jews controlled all aspects of the event in terms of security at the buildings and airports and so on, and the subsequent investigation (coverup). This is the 'means'. The motive was announced in the jewish document that called for a new 'Pearl Harbor', aka, the Global War on/of Terror against immediate enemies of jews in the Middle East and also us (a continuing long multi-generational war).

So Nastiest Uncle, please discuss issue (1) fully, for a start. Try to keep trollish remarks to a minimum, as I'm interested in honest discussion.

---
As I said in an earlier thread ...

Even better, focusing initially on just one aspect of 911, namely the collapse of the three World Trade Center building will give you something with hard physical evidence to introduce you into your first ‘conspiracy’.

The website that produced the material for that documentary that Savant linked to is:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

It is a group of 1,700+ architects and engineers who want a proper investigation launched. Another good site that one of the contributors (David Chandler) to ae911truth has, is:

http://911speakout.org/


Wolfhound said...

- NU believes burning furniture can cause an office building built as recently as the 70's to implode in on itself.

- NU believes a jetliner filled with kerosine impacting on a building creates a slow sustained burn rather than an intensive immediate explosion.

- NU believes heat intensive enough to melt steel was not sufficient to damage a passport carried by one of the hijackers.

- NU believes the US and Israeli governments are always truthful and would never dream of sacrificing some citizens to continue their geopolitical goals.

- NU believes the CIA discontinues partnerships with their assets around the world after a decade.

- NU believes the worlds best airforce is powerless when faced with 4 hijacked jetliners.

- NU believes buildings explicitly built to withstand multiple impacts from a jetliner among other disastrous events just didn't perform on the day.

- NU believes dancing Israeli's rejoicing at the buildings coming down are just "assholes".

- NU believes all it takes to deliver a huge blow to the US is a couple dozen determined fellows and a few hundred grand and ofcourse he believes they were not assisted and guided along the entire way by insiders with valuable knowledge.

- NU believes that by sheer coincidence the US military was running war games on this exact day which prevented them from taking the threat seriously.

- NU doesn't believe there is any link between WTC 7 collapsing out of thin air and one hijacked jetliner crashing in to a field in the middle of nowhere.

- NU believes the US was completely justified to ride the tidal wave of understandable anger within America to invade Iraq with their countless "WMD's" (Turned out to be bullshit) and Afghanistan for harboring the single man responsible for everything (Turned out to be complete bullshit as well) and he surely believes Iran should bite the dust because someone said something nasty about Israel in a chopped and changed interview with some kike with a false Anglicised name.

- NU believes bone fragments from people within the towers can be catapulted sideways on to the roof of the Deutsche Bank building by the force of a building collapsing STRAIGHT DOWN. He also believes gravity makes exceptions.

- NU believes the 1500+ architects and engineers calling for a new and transparent investigation in to 9/11 are just loopy conspiracy kooks.

- NU believes every straw man argument he hears like: "well it's not possible for thousands upon thousands of government employees to conspire to hide the truth" as if the lower ranks were somehow cc'ed in an e-mail sent by the tiny group of people behind this.

- NU believes in the Easter bunny.

Anonymous said...

Darren Bent gets about 1 yellow card a seasson so thuggish he ain't. What was the point calling him that?

nastiestuncle said...

@SAVANT 11:16

"Nastiest Uncle. So what do you expect the FBI to say? 'Yes, we were given a clear and explicit warning but decided to ignore it because our Director was in on the plan?'"

-they weren't given a clear and explicit warning
-the Director of the FBI was in on the plan? The evidence for this?

"Your account of the 'dancing Israelis is simply not correct."

-yes it is. What was wrong with it?

"And even within your own terms of reference you're having a hard time explaining it away."

-I haven't tried to explain it away.

"My friend, I have to agree with most of the rest on this blog, nameley, that you're not trying to find out the facts, rather to explain away the obvious Israeli involvement."

-none of my facts have been refuted, and yet I have managed to refute various claims posted here.

Here is the difference between us. You guys NEED Israel to have been responsible, because to continue with your beliefs you NEED Israel/ Zionists/ Jews to be the bad guys. This is why you start with 'Israelis did 911', then you try and fit the facts around your conclusion, which isn't a proper conclusion of course because it came first.

I am not a national socialist so I do not need Israel/ Jews/ Zionists to be the bad guys.
For me, 911 happened, it cannot be undone, and someone was responsible. What's important to me is to find out who was responsible. Even if the evidence proved that shape-shifting reptoids did it then I would believe that. I don't care who did it, as long as I don't betray my own standards by believing whoever did it conforms to any pre-conceived prejudices I may have.

nastiestuncle said...

@Wolfhound 14:43

"- NU believes burning furniture can cause an office building built as recently as the 70's to implode in on itself."

I think you mean that burning office contents can cause structural supports to fail due to the heat of the fire.

"- NU believes a jetliner filled with kerosine impacting on a building creates a slow sustained burn rather than an intensive immediate explosion."

I don't see why I would believe that since the video is quite clear that there was an intense immediate explosion.

"- NU believes heat intensive enough to melt steel was not sufficient to damage a passport carried by one of the hijackers.

Photos, credit cards and other documents from the passengers of the flights were also recovered undamaged from the wreckage.

"- NU believes the US and Israeli governments are always truthful and would never dream of sacrificing some citizens to continue their geopolitical goals."

No I don't. But nor do I believe that they always sacrifice citizens either.

"- NU believes the CIA discontinues partnerships with their assets around the world after a decade."

Not sure why you threw that one in actually.

"- NU believes the worlds best airforce is powerless when faced with 4 hijacked jetliners."

No I don't. That's got nothing to do with anything though.

"- NU believes buildings explicitly built to withstand multiple impacts from a jetliner among other disastrous events just didn't perform on the day."

They were designed to withstand impacts (first impact was within design limits and second impact was only 10% over) but they were not designed to withstand the intense fires which followed.

"- NU believes dancing Israeli's rejoicing at the buildings coming down are just "assholes"."

They could have been assholes (that's if they did dance around like assholes), or maybe they were Mossad agents flown into New York specifically to document the entire chain of events that day but failed to set up their cameras in time to catch the first strike. Maybe they had a late night or something and forgot about the entire purpose of their visit. Perhaps these agents were so inept that rather than keeping quiet to disguise their purpose in New York, they instead decided to draw as much attention to themselves as possible by dancing around. Because that's what spies do when they are on operations - they dance around. All the most successful spy operations in history have been carried out by spies who drew as much attention to themselves as possible. During the Cold War, you could always tell who the spies were because they were the people who danced around whilst doing their job. "Just look for the dancing ones", the head of MI5 used to tell his spy-catchers.

"- NU believes all it takes to deliver a huge blow to the US is a couple dozen determined fellows and a few hundred grand and ofcourse he believes they were not assisted and guided along the entire way by insiders with valuable knowledge."

Apparently by flying planes into various buildings and knocking them down, it is indeed possible to cause financial damage far in excess of the cost of the attacks. It's also possible to stop an entire weapon from functioning just by throwing in a few grains of sand. It's also possible to kill an elephant by injecting a single bacterium.

"- NU believes that by sheer coincidence the US military was running war games on this exact day which prevented them from taking the threat seriously."

Three of the exercises claimed by the lunatics to have been running on 911 actually weren't, so how many war games is too many for a coincidence?

"- NU doesn't believe there is any link between WTC 7 collapsing out of thin air and one hijacked jetliner crashing in to a field in the middle of nowhere."

Flight 93, when hijacked, was immediately pointed at Washington, DC. But apparently you believe that it was supposed to hit WTC7.

nastiestuncle said...

"- NU believes the US was completely justified to ride the tidal wave of understandable anger within America to invade Iraq with their countless "WMD's" (Turned out to be bullshit) and Afghanistan for harboring the single man responsible for everything (Turned out to be complete bullshit as well) and he surely believes Iran should bite the dust because someone said something nasty about Israel in a chopped and changed interview with some kike with a false Anglicised name."

The US did not invade Iraq because of 911. The reason for the invasion was regime change.
The invasion of Afghanistan was entirely justified by that country's territory being used for the planning and execution of 911.
Then you get angry and start going on about Iran and kikes and stuff.

"- NU believes bone fragments from people within the towers can be catapulted sideways on to the roof of the Deutsche Bank building by the force of a building collapsing STRAIGHT DOWN. He also believes gravity makes exceptions."

Were the bone fragments transported there during the initial impact or during the air disturbance during the collapse? Apparently Wolfhound believe that frog and fish cannot be transported into the air by air turbulence because this would contradict gravity :)

"- NU believes the 1500+ architects and engineers calling for a new and transparent investigation in to 9/11 are just loopy conspiracy kooks."

I believe that the other million+ architects and engineers hold more weight.

"- NU believes every straw man argument he hears like: "well it's not possible for thousands upon thousands of government employees to conspire to hide the truth" as if the lower ranks were somehow cc'ed in an e-mail sent by the tiny group of people behind this."

Wolfhound thinks that thousands and thousands of people can conspire to kill thousands of their own family and friends and countrymen even though it would be easy for each of them to release the information anonymously.

"- NU believes in the Easter bunny."

Yes I do. Here is a page full of them: http://puppybunnyguineapretty.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/anatomy-of-a-chocolate-bunny/

See you later :)

Anonymous said...

Anyone else find it strange that there was a manhunt in West Dublin today for a nife-murderer and there was no info released by the media about what he looked like ?

Anonymous said...

Fat slob, 30 year old Pakistani man attacks 81 year old white woman in road rage attack

Maybe that was part of the Day Of Love for the Prophet?

Clogheen said...

"Anyone else find it strange that there was a manhunt in West Dublin today for a nife-murderer and there was no info released by the media about what he looked like ?"

Reminds of the double murderer Nash several years ago. He escaped and was headed over to Connaught. Police issued a warning for a guy with a 'dark complexion', which in Ireland means someone like Daniel Day Lewis.

Nash ended up murdering two more people. Would they have survived if they had warned people to look out for a black man?

Matrix-buster said...

Thousands of people did NOT have to conspire. The actual number would have been quite small actually.

Wolfhound said...

Have you ever worked in an office you clown? Unless they have a QA department testing C4 there is NOTHING present which could generate the heat to implode the building. Note: not even to damage the steel structure sufficiently to cause a partial collapse, but rather a complete implosion.

"I don't see why I would believe that since the video is quite clear that there was an intense immediate explosion."

Yes, meaning the kerosine has evaporated in the initial explosion, so what is the accelerant? More of your incredible "office contents"?

"Photos, credit cards and other documents from the passengers of the flights were also recovered undamaged from the wreckage."

Yes, government officials could never get their hands on personal documents ofcourse, and you explain fully how documents can survive when a building gets pulverised.

"No I don't. But nor do I believe that they always sacrifice citizens either."

Read a history book please. Governments have never made any qualms about sacrificing citizens for their own goals. Ex. what did the Vietnam war achieve and how many died?

"Not sure why you threw that one in actually."

You heard of Al Qaeda I assume? You are aware they had a partnership with American officials when the Russians invaded that country in the late 80's? Now after you acknowledge those facts, do you not believe they still have contact and might work together for mutual benefit?

"No I don't. That's got nothing to do with anything though."

Are you playing stupid now? You don't see any link between hijacked jetliners and the airforce? This is what usually happens when a suspected hijacking takes place:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2195242/Dutch-security-forces-surround-aircraft-suspected-hijack-Amsterdams-Schiphol-Airport.html

Where were the F-16's? Nowhere.

"They were designed to withstand impacts (first impact was within design limits and second impact was only 10% over) but they were not designed to withstand the intense fires which followed"

Again with the fires never before witnessed in human history, straw man. Show me ONE documented implosion of a building after intense fire damage.

"They could have been assholes (that's if they did dance around like assholes), or maybe they were Mossad agents flown into New York specifically to document the entire chain of events that day but failed to set up their cameras in time to catch the first strike. Maybe they had a late night or something and forgot about the entire purpose of their visit. Perhaps these agents were so inept that rather than keeping quiet to disguise their purpose in New York, they instead decided to draw as much attention to themselves as possible by dancing around. Because that's what spies do when they are on operations - they dance around. All the most successful spy operations in history have been carried out by spies who drew as much attention to themselves as possible. During the Cold War, you could always tell who the spies were because they were the people who danced around whilst doing their job. "Just look for the dancing ones", the head of MI5 used to tell his spy-catchers."

I'm not even saying they're Mossad agents, but I do say there is something deeply unsettling and troubling about kikes with dual nationalities celebrating these events. There are tonnes of assholes about, but they had the decency to atleast pretend to be horrified. It's the Jew mindset that disturbs me, rejoicing in terror and death of goyim like it's a game.

Wolfhound said...

"Apparently by flying planes into various buildings and knocking them down, it is indeed possible to cause financial damage far in excess of the cost of the attacks. It's also possible to stop an entire weapon from functioning just by throwing in a few grains of sand. It's also possible to kill an elephant by injecting a single bacterium."

Thanks for making my point dickhead, if it's so easy then why isn't this a regular occurrence? Last time the WTC was attacked without assistance or without sufficient assitance this type of amateur stuff went on (hardly a knock out blow):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

"Three of the exercises claimed by the lunatics to have been running on 911 actually weren't, so how many war games is too many for a coincidence?"

I'm not saying you're wrong on this, but it still goes back to my point about the airforce above where ZERO effort is being made at interception.

"Flight 93, when hijacked, was immediately pointed at Washington, DC. But apparently you believe that it was supposed to hit WTC7."

Yes, I do. Perhaps their plan was not carried out perfectly, someone made a mistake. In your world hijackers are ofcourse flawless machines.

"The US did not invade Iraq because of 911. The reason for the invasion was regime change.
The invasion of Afghanistan was entirely justified by that country's territory being used for the planning and execution of 911.
Then you get angry and start going on about Iran and kikes and stuff."

Yes, they did. The casus belli being: "Let's go get them mooslems, they dun brought down the towers". They used the so-called threat of WMD's that could cause another 9/11 on US soil as an excuse to get the average citizens on their side. I go on about kikes, because they're the most evil worthless parasites to ever walk the earth and they never change no matter what.

"Were the bone fragments transported there during the initial impact or during the air disturbance during the collapse? Apparently Wolfhound believe that frog and fish cannot be transported into the air by air turbulence because this would contradict gravity :)"

If it was the impact, bone fragments could only blow out of the hole created by the jet unless they flew through a wall. If it was air turbulence caused by an upper floor slamming in to a lower floor, bone would be pulverised dust rather than small splinters. Splinters being projected sideways indicate that they were thrown before the upper floor hit the lower floor, even a split second.

"I believe that the other million+ architects and engineers hold more weight. "

There aren't a million you liar, there are many who just won't entertain the notion because they don't want it to interfere in their career, or they don't want to face up to the fact that our governments lie to us on a regular basis about huge events because this has HUGE consequences for your day to day life.

"Wolfhound thinks that thousands and thousands of people can conspire to kill thousands of their own family and friends and countrymen even though it would be easy for each of them to release the information anonymously."

You dumb prick, I just mentioned there aren't thousands of people involved. It's like explaining a card trick to a down syndrome patient with you. They only need a select few people to be in the know. The technicians who placed the explosives, the CIA/Mossad contacts who liason with the Al-Qaeda handlers and one or two high ranking officials within the military and/or government. That's it! Even the hijackers were probably thinking it was a legit mission against the infidel, only their top man needs to eat the 30 pieces of kike silver.

Anonymous said...

I used to think it was ridiculous and astounding that Arabs believed Israel did 911. Then I learned the jew, which is deceit and treachery in every fibre of their being. 9-11 is classic jew warfare.

Jews killed the czar, archduke ferdinand, l. harvey oswald(a commie from jewssr) by jack rubenstein, columbine were kikes, that senator shot was kike on kike, all the 'terrorist' olympic murderers from '72 they killed, the iran scientists, iran sabotage, levan affair, uss liberty, 66 mil Christian in Soviet gulags, the Armenian genocide, 80s Pollard spy ring, rosenburg spies hung,dari yasin massacre, lebanon massacre in '82 when they let a militia do the killing, the probables I wont mention.

What a poor, poor, persecuted minority of what, under 1% of the worlds population?

John W said...

One Professor of engineering, I think it was in UCLA, shortly after 9/11 went public with his doubts. Miraculously a lot of dodgy stuff from early in his career surfaced and he was dismissed. That's one reason why so many keep silent.

SAVANT said...

"I used to think it was ridiculous and astounding that Arabs believed Israel did 911."

Anon, so did I. In fact I had many a spirited argument on that very point. Do I feel stoopid or what......

nastiestuncle said...

Wolfhound 15:18

"Have you ever worked in an office you clown? Unless they have a QA department testing C4 there is NOTHING present which could generate the heat to implode the building. Note: not even to damage the steel structure sufficiently to cause a partial collapse, but rather a complete implosion."

Steel loses about 50% of its strength at 1100F and about 90% at 1800F. The jet fuel burned at between 800F to 1500F and the maximum temperature recorded in the office contents fires was 1832F. In other words, in a building the strength of which relied on steel supports, the structure lost it's ability to hold itself up when the steel supports reached a temperature sufficient to lose enough of their strength required to hold the weight above them. Try it yourself. Take a 6 inch steel nail and try to bend it. Then heat it up and try to bend it again. Was it easier to bend before or after you heated it up?

"Yes, meaning the kerosine has evaporated in the initial explosion, so what is the accelerant? More of your incredible "office contents"?"

Some of the kerosine was burnt in the initial explosion; some was not and flowed into spaces where it started secondary fires in the contents of the office. Chairs, tables, paper, plastic and carpets do indeed burn.

"Yes, government officials could never get their hands on personal documents ofcourse, and you explain fully how documents can survive when a building gets pulverised.

Why would documents be planted when it is not disputed that the planes which hit the WTC were full of passengers? One of these identifying cards was found melted to the buttocks of one of the women who died in the plane.

"Read a history book please. Governments have never made any qualms about sacrificing citizens for their own goals. Ex. what did the Vietnam war achieve and how many died?"

My point was not that governments don't sacrifice people, but that they do not ALWAYS sacrifice people. This means that whenever people die, it is not ALWAYS the government which is killing them.

"You heard of Al Qaeda I assume? You are aware they had a partnership with American officials when the Russians invaded that country in the late 80's? Now after you acknowledge those facts, do you not believe they still have contact and might work together for mutual benefit?"

al_Qaeda were borne out of the mujahidin of Afghanistan. The mujahidin contained various factions, some of which were supported by the US and some of which were not. Bin Laden's faction was not supported by the US and was funded by personal wealth, rich mainly Saudi backers and zakat payments to mosques.

nastiestuncle said...

"Are you playing stupid now? You don't see any link between hijacked jetliners and the airforce? This is what usually happens when a suspected hijacking takes place:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2195242/Dutch-security-forces-surround-aircraft-suspected-hijack-Amsterdams-Schiphol-Airport.html

Where were the F-16's? Nowhere."

In the decade preceding 911, only one plane was intercepted over US airspace, in 1999, and in this case it took an F-16 more than one hour twenty minutes to reach the plane. Rules in effect before and on 911 prohibited supersonic flight during intercepts over land, making it difficult to catch up with a plane flying at airliner speed. This was coupled with poor communication between NORAD and the FAA.

"Again with the fires never before witnessed in human history, straw man. Show me ONE documented implosion of a building after intense fire damage."

The twin towers were the first, or among the first, tall buildings to be constructed without masonry support, relying entirely on steel. They were also the first buildings to have been hit by a plane travelling at 500mph which removed the fire-proofing from steel support columns, destroying load-bearing columns and shearing some in two, without fire-fighters allowing fires to burn unchallenged.... so why don't you show me another case in which all these things happened to a steel-framed building but which survived.

"I'm not even saying they're Mossad agents, but I do say there is something deeply unsettling and troubling about kikes with dual nationalities celebrating these events. There are tonnes of assholes about, but they had the decency to atleast pretend to be horrified. It's the Jew mindset that disturbs me, rejoicing in terror and death of goyim like it's a game."

Well firstly they weren't necessarily celebrating. We don't know if they were celebrating. Witnesses said they saw them celebrating but the men said they were not. But let's assume they were high-fiving each other. Again, it does not mean they knew it was going to happen. Here in London on that day, a bunch of Ghanaians were having a party in a bar whilst watching the buildings on fire. They were hugging and high-fiving and shouting praise god. Should we now switch our focus towards a Ghanaian conspiracy? Should we hate all Ghanaians because some of them are evidently idiots?

"Thanks for making my point dickhead, if it's so easy then why isn't this a regular occurrence? Last time the WTC was attacked without assistance or without sufficient assitance this type of amateur stuff went on (hardly a knock out blow):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing"

A regular occurrence? There have been nearly 20,000 documented Islamic terror attacks since 911. That's about 5 per day. It would appear that Islamic terror attacks are a regular occurrence.

nastiestuncle said...

"I'm not saying you're wrong on this, but it still goes back to my point about the airforce above where ZERO effort is being made at interception."

There was not zero effort at an interception. I have already covered this above.

"Yes, I do. Perhaps their plan was not carried out perfectly, someone made a mistake. In your world hijackers are ofcourse flawless machines."

You have absolutely no valid reason at all to assume that WTC7 was an intended target of flight 93. You really, REALLY wanted it to be a target, but it was not.

"Yes, they did. The casus belli being: "Let's go get them mooslems, they dun brought down the towers". They used the so-called threat of WMD's that could cause another 9/11 on US soil as an excuse to get the average citizens on their side. I go on about kikes, because they're the most evil worthless parasites to ever walk the earth and they never change no matter what."

Again, the reason for the invasion of Iraq was regime change. It was to get rid of a murderous, terror-financing dictator and replace him with an intended Western-friendly democracy. The fact that Saddam had tried to kill Bush senior was also a factor in clouding Bush junior's judgment.

"If it was the impact, bone fragments could only blow out of the hole created by the jet unless they flew through a wall. If it was air turbulence caused by an upper floor slamming in to a lower floor, bone would be pulverised dust rather than small splinters. Splinters being projected sideways indicate that they were thrown before the upper floor hit the lower floor, even a split second."

If bone could only be pulverised into dust, then how do you explain that entire bones, bodies even, were found in the wreckage of the towers?

"There aren't a million you liar, there are many who just won't entertain the notion because they don't want it to interfere in their career, or they don't want to face up to the fact that our governments lie to us on a regular basis about huge events because this has HUGE consequences for your day to day life."

There are millions of architects and engineers around the world who did not call for any extra investigation into the collapses because the report into the collapses already answers the question of how they collapsed.

"You dumb prick, I just mentioned there aren't thousands of people involved. It's like explaining a card trick to a down syndrome patient with you. They only need a select few people to be in the know. The technicians who placed the explosives, the CIA/Mossad contacts who liason with the Al-Qaeda handlers and one or two high ranking officials within the military and/or government. That's it! Even the hijackers were probably thinking it was a legit mission against the infidel, only their top man needs to eat the 30 pieces of kike silver."

Thousands of people would have been needed to ensure that 911 happened. All the engineers planting the thermite, the administrators, intelligence agents, Muslims, Jews, Jews who stayed away that day, foreign intelligence who found out about it, people on the planes who weren't on the planes because the authorities had to plant their half-burnt IDs all over the place, security guards, journalists, and so on. And not a single one of them got cold feet or felt any obligation to blow the whistle.

Dude, your obvious hatred of Jews has clouded your ability to think. You will be seeing Jews in your cornflakes next.

See you later :)

nastiestuncle said...

SAVANT 18:38

""I used to think it was ridiculous and astounding that Arabs believed Israel did 911."

Anon, so did I. In fact I had many a spirited argument on that very point. Do I feel stoopid or what......"

So does Ayman al Zawahiri: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7361414.stm

He must be a Zionist!

prf1 said...

NU, the lady doth protest too much. It just amazes me how you can try to explain away the unexplainable.

Any single one of the factors mentioned by Wolfhound and others would be reason for the gravest suspicion. But all of them combined???

Come on, gimme a break here.

nastiestuncle said...

prf1 20:00

"NU, the lady doth protest too much. It just amazes me how you can try to explain away the unexplainable.

Any single one of the factors mentioned by Wolfhound and others would be reason for the gravest suspicion. But all of them combined???

Come on, gimme a break here."

Have you ever come across a group of people and just thought 'jeez, how can these people believe what they believe?'? Has a particular group ever come across as being totally whacko because they believe in something which is so completely untrue?

Maybe flat-earthers or Muslims or Jehovah's Witnesses or multi-culturalists or Evangelists have got you thinking that there is a certain mechanism for believing which some people use which causes them to believe in total hogwash? Did you know that most of the people in this world are religious, which means that they believe in things which have no proof and which are contrary to reality?

All of these people do not care about facts or logic. They instead care about the belief itself. If they were to abandon their belief then they enter an area of pain and discomfort; they have to admit to wasted time, to the embarrassment of their previous mental failure, to entering foreign ground, to humiliation in front of their former friends and colleagues who still hold the old belief. It takes bravery and honesty for a person to readically change their belief.

The belief here is that Jews are evil and are responsible for most if not all of the bad things, so the 'facts' are made to fit the belief. Anything which is inconvenient in that it does not support the belief is discarded and dismissed as invented by Zionists.

Anyway, I have to report to my Jewish handler now, so if you'll excuse me.

yossarian said...

All of these people do not care about facts or logic.

Nastiest Uncle, YOU do not care about facts or logic. I've been following all the interaction between you and the others with great interest for the last few weeks, with I believe an opne mind, and I have come to the conclusion that you are simply a propagandist, posing as an honest observer.

nastiestuncle said...

@yossarian 01:54

"Nastiest Uncle, YOU do not care about facts or logic. I've been following all the interaction between you and the others with great interest for the last few weeks, with I believe an opne mind, and I have come to the conclusion that you are simply a propagandist, posing as an honest observer."

That's exactly the conclusion I would expect from someone who does not care about facts or logic. For you, and others like you, it is the belief which is important. It's the feeling.

Facts and logic always trump the feelgood factor. It's just a case of the individual being strong enough to be able to accept that.

Uncle Nasty said...

.
The belief here is that Jews are evil and are responsible for most if not all of the bad things, ....

Yes? And your point?

And as for your snarky little sound bites, a la

Anyway, I have to report to my Jewish handler now, so if you'll excuse me.


Once again ... yes? Your point?

UN
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nastiestuncle said...

@Uncle Nasty 03:40

"The belief here is that Jews are evil and are responsible for most if not all of the bad things, ....

Yes? And your point?"

The point is that, given that you lot are a bunch of intellectually dishonest people, the fact that you believe what you believe about Jews actually clouds your judgment about Jews, meaning that facts and reality are not important to you any more. The only important thing is more information which makes Jews look bad. This feeds your need. Gives you a rush.


"Anyway, I have to report to my Jewish handler now, so if you'll excuse me.

Once again ... yes? Your point?"

My point was that I had to go because I had to meet my Jewish handler.

Wolfhound said...

NU has it completely arse backwards, he believes people posting here were born screaming: "JEEEEEWWWWWSSS".

I don't want to assume too much, but I'm pretty sure about 9 out of 10 posters here spent the vast majority of their lives thinking Jews were fine, upstanding people who were dealt a bad hand.

Then you see one or two of them up to their shenanigans and dismiss it as bad apples.

After a while it becomes clear they're behind almost every ill in this world and the more you delve, the more these hooknosed sociopaths rear their ugly heads.

At the very very very least, they are an intensely arrogant people who believe they know how to run our societies better than we do and see us as donkeys who's only purpose in life is to be milked dry and service them. If we get rebellious, our lives are forfeit like some sort of barnyard animal being led to the slaughterhouse.

I say they can shove it right up their star of David.

Anonymous said...

again i suggest that all good people on this blog go to you tube and watch Brother Nathaniel a former Jew who embraced christ AS THE SON OF GOD.one of his remarks stated that as a kid the Temple reminded him of death with no life inside, please watch the blog with this modern day John The Baptist.

nastiestuncle said...

@Wolfhound 17:20

"NU has it completely arse backwards, he believes people posting here were born screaming: "JEEEEEWWWWWSSS"."

I've never said that I think that people are born hating Jews. You pulled that one out of your ass.
I've said in other threads that I don't think that hating Jews is even necessarily wrong, as long as it can be justified, but the justifications that I've seen have all been rather easy to tear down as being faked. It's no use going forward into an anti-immigration (my main interest) movement with a bunch of facts which are not facts, which will be torn down and exposed and make us look stupid thereby harming our efforts to restore our societies.

"I don't want to assume too much, but I'm pretty sure about 9 out of 10 posters here spent the vast majority of their lives thinking Jews were fine, upstanding people who were dealt a bad hand.

Then you see one or two of them up to their shenanigans and dismiss it as bad apples.

After a while it becomes clear they're behind almost every ill in this world and the more you delve, the more these hooknosed sociopaths rear their ugly heads."

But if you look at the 'evidence' supplied here over the last few weeks, it's all been untrue. Look at your own beliefs for instance. Your hatred of Jews is so strong that you are even prepared to reject that heat can weaken steel because to believe it would harm your belief that Jews did 911. Can you not see the problem with that?

"At the very very very least, they are an intensely arrogant people who believe they know how to run our societies better than we do and see us as donkeys who's only purpose in life is to be milked dry and service them. If we get rebellious, our lives are forfeit like some sort of barnyard animal being led to the slaughterhouse.

I say they can shove it right up their star of David."

I know there are some Jews who believe that but then find me a group of people some of whom don't feel that way about other groups of people.

Elaine said...

Nastiest Uncle, the very fact that Wolfhound uses the laguage he does says to me that he has attitudes that have nothing to do with being 'awakened' or such.

katana said...

>nastiestuncle said...
23 September 2012 19:04

The twin towers were the first, or among the first, tall buildings to be constructed without masonry support, relying entirely on steel.
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You are showing your slip here NU, as steel framed building are as old as the hills. Even wiki/jewpedia tells us this: 'The first steel frame skyscraper was the Home Insurance Building (originally 10 storeys with a height of 42 m or 138 ft) in Chicago, Illinois in 1885.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper

So only about 85 years out there.


>They were also the first buildings to have been hit by a plane travelling at 500mph which removed the fire-proofing from steel support columns, destroying load-bearing columns and shearing some in two, without fire-fighters allowing fires to burn unchallenged.... so why don't you show me another case in which all these things happened to a steel-framed building but which survived.
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The buildings were designed for impact by similar size planes. The impacts and fires didn't cause significant structural damage. That's why we have photos of people standing in the damaged areas, and why firefighters had no hesitation in going up there.


>nastiestuncle said...
23 September 2012 19:04
There are millions of architects and engineers around the world who did not call for any extra investigation into the collapses because the report into the collapses already answers the question of how they collapsed.
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Using the argument that because millions of experts have not expressed any opinion on a topic as proof against the opinion of experts actively investigating the topic is nonsense. When experts actively investigate a crime and conclude that someone is guilty, does the silence of the world's other experts nullify the conclusion? Obviously not.

Over at Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (ae911truth.org) 1,700 experts have concluded that the building were brought down by controlled demolition.

They are also of the opinion that the NIST and FEMA reports are a farce that attempt to confuse and mislead.

nastiestuncle said...

@katana 12:27

"You are showing your slip here NU, as steel framed building are as old as the hills. Even wiki/jewpedia tells us this: 'The first steel frame skyscraper was the Home Insurance Building (originally 10 storeys with a height of 42 m or 138 ft) in Chicago, Illinois in 1885.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper

So only about 85 years out there."


I said "relying entirely on steel". So you are bang wrong, because your Home Insurance Building relied both on steel AND masonry support.
Oh, and it was 1/10 as high as WTC 1 and 2 and was a fraction of the mass so is not even comparable. But you are wrong anyway, so fine by me.

"The buildings were designed for impact by similar size planes. The impacts and fires didn't cause significant structural damage. That's why we have photos of people standing in the damaged areas, and why firefighters had no hesitation in going up there."

I already stated on 23rd September 00:35 that "They were designed to withstand impacts (first impact was within design limits and second impact was only 10% over) but they were not designed to withstand the intense fires which followed." The impacts did cause damage (they sheared some of the steel columns in two) but not enough to bring down the towers on their own. It was the fires which caused the damage to the steel supports which brought down the towers. You and Wolfhound both fail to understand that when heat is applied to steel, it loses its strength. Apparently you think that between being completely solid and melting, steel retains all its strength throughout. Even my 7 year old nephew knows that metal becomes more malleable the hotter it is.

"Using the argument that because millions of experts have not expressed any opinion on a topic as proof against the opinion of experts actively investigating the topic is nonsense."

No it isn't. Are we to believe that out of the millions of architects, engineers and firefighters worldwide, only 1700 of them spent any time thinking about how those towers came down? Of course we aren't.

"When experts actively investigate a crime and conclude that someone is guilty, does the silence of the world's other experts nullify the conclusion? Obviously not."

Well it's obvious that a crime was committed on 911 and you don't have to be an 'expert' to know that. However there was no silence of other experts. Many of them wrote of their rejection of the Jones report.

"Over at Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (ae911truth.org) 1,700 experts have concluded that the building were brought down by controlled demolition."

And over at 'the rest of the world is not as insane as them', the other couple of million experts did not conclude that the buildings were brought down by a controlled demolition.

"They are also of the opinion that the NIST and FEMA reports are a farce that attempt to confuse and mislead."

And all the other ones are not of that opinion.

See you later :)

Wolfhound said...

@ Elaine

I use derogatory terms on purpose and I'm not about to let kikes frame my narrative.

They're only responsible for the horrific deaths of millions of people...but please keep the language milquetoast.

@ NU

I never said heat can't weaken steel although I have yet to hear of a single steel framed office building to implode after a fire. I said it can't possibly be damaged in such a symmetrical and uniform fashion unless it was helped along the way.

911 isn't even important to me, it's just another example. It's actually quite a minor example compared to the other murderous actions these bastards have been up to over the centuries.

The fact that you always need to have the last word tells me you probably have a dog in this fight and your judgement is probably clouded.

If you're anti-immigration and pro-jew there is a gaping hole in your reasoning abilities.

nastiestuncle said...

@Wolfhound 17:45

"@ NU

I never said heat can't weaken steel although I have yet to hear of a single steel framed office building to implode after a fire."


I've never heard of a steel framed building implode either. The buildings at the WTC collapsed; they didn't implode.

"I said it can't possibly be damaged in such a symmetrical and uniform fashion unless it was helped along the way."

Who says that any of the buildings were damaged in a symmetrical or uniform fashion?

"911 isn't even important to me, it's just another example. It's actually quite a minor example compared to the other murderous actions these bastards have been up to over the centuries."

Problem you've got there chief is that if Jews didn't do 911 then you've got to revisit all of your other little examples as well.

"The fact that you always need to have the last word tells me you probably have a dog in this fight and your judgement is probably clouded."

Nope, I have the last word because I'm in the right.

"If you're anti-immigration and pro-jew there is a gaping hole in your reasoning abilities."

I've never said I'm pro-Jew; just anti-lie. Did you know that national socialists are poison to the anti-immigration cause?

katana said...

nastiestuncle said...
25 September 2012 15:28
@katana 12:27

K: "You are showing your slip here NU, as steel framed building are as old as the hills. Even wiki/jewpedia tells us this: 'The first steel frame skyscraper was the Home Insurance Building (originally 10 storeys with a height of 42 m or 138 ft) in Chicago, Illinois in 1885.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper

So only about 85 years out there."

NU: I said "relying entirely on steel". So you are bang wrong, because your Home Insurance Building relied both on steel AND masonry support.
Oh, and it was 1/10 as high as WTC 1 and 2 and was a fraction of the mass so is not even comparable. But you are wrong anyway, so fine by me.
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>nastiestuncle said...
23 September 2012 19:04

NU: The twin towers were the first, or among the first, tall buildings to be constructed without masonry support, relying entirely on steel.
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K: OK, there is some dispute about Home Insurance Building being the very first. But even a few years later there were full steel frame buildings going up. So what about the Empire State Building? Steel framed, built in 1931 and was the tallest building in the world until the World Trade Center Towers.

My point in this is that you, nastiestuncle (NU) make stuff up to simply stir the pot. This is just one example.


K: "The buildings were designed for impact by similar size planes. The impacts and fires didn't cause significant structural damage. That's why we have photos of people standing in the damaged areas, and why firefighters had no hesitation in going up there."

NU: I already stated on 23rd September 00:35 that "They were designed to withstand impacts (first impact was within design limits and second impact was only 10% over) but they were not designed to withstand the intense fires which followed."

K: The fires were not intense enough to weaken the steel structure to cause collapse. People were able to stand in the burnt out damaged areas where a plane had struck.

NU: The impacts did cause damage (they sheared some of the steel columns in two) but not enough to bring down the towers on their own. It was the fires which caused the damage to the steel supports which brought down the towers.

K: Not believable. Watch the videos and you see floors being blown apart.

NU: You and Wolfhound both fail to understand that when heat is applied to steel, it loses its strength. Apparently you think that between being completely solid and melting, steel retains all its strength throughout. Even my 7 year old nephew knows that metal becomes more malleable the hotter it is.

K: Silly talk.

"Using the argument that because millions of experts have not expressed any opinion on a topic as proof against the opinion of experts actively investigating the topic is nonsense."

NU: No it isn't. Are we to believe that out of the millions of architects, engineers and firefighters worldwide, only 1700 of them spent any time thinking about how those towers came down? Of course we aren't.

K: The 'silence' of these millions of architects, engineers and firefighters worldwide does not mean they accept the official conspiracy theory. It just means they are silent for whatever reasons they have.

1/2

katana said...

2/2

K: "When experts actively investigate a crime and conclude that someone is guilty, does the silence of the world's other experts nullify the conclusion? Obviously not."

NU: Well it's obvious that a crime was committed on 911 and you don't have to be an 'expert' to know that. However there was no silence of other experts. Many of them wrote of their rejection of the Jones report.

K: Experts were not silent. 1,700 of them say that it was controlled demolition. There is no independent group of architects or engineers refuting them.

K: "Over at Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (ae911truth.org) 1,700 experts have concluded that the building were brought down by controlled demolition."

NU: And over at 'the rest of the world is not as insane as them', the other couple of million experts did not conclude that the buildings were brought down by a controlled demolition.

K: So, you are calling these 1,700 architects and engineers 'insane'? They are still designing building, right now.
And you also speak on behalf of millions of experts and tell us what they have concluded?

This is just more trollish nonsense NU.

K: "They are also of the opinion that the NIST and FEMA reports are a farce that attempt to confuse and mislead."

NU: And all the other ones are not of that opinion.

K: Once again you assume that the silence of other experts on this topic equals support for the official conspiracy theory.

I respond to you NU only because your presence here is designed to disrupt this website. To misdirect through argumentative half truths and whatever else trolls have in their bag of tricks.

Anonymous said...

Why was John Terry allowed a spedy trial 12 months after the non event whereas Emma West is still waiting 11 months later for her show rtial?

nastiestuncle said...

@katana 14:06

"K: OK, there is some dispute about Home Insurance Building being the very first. But even a few years later there were full steel frame buildings going up. So what about the Empire State Building? Steel framed, built in 1931 and was the tallest building in the world until the World Trade Center Towers."

The Empire State building is steel frame plus masonry. How many times do I have to say that the Twin Towers were steel frame only.

"My point in this is that you, nastiestuncle (NU) make stuff up to simply stir the pot. This is just one example."

I haven't made anything up.

"K: Not believable. Watch the videos and you see floors being blown apart."

None of the videos show the floors being blown apart.

"K: The 'silence' of these millions of architects, engineers and firefighters worldwide does not mean they accept the official conspiracy theory. It just means they are silent for whatever reasons they have."

The official report wasn't a 'conspiracy theory'. It's you lot who are the conspiracy theorists. Jews, reptilians, Bilderbergers, Illuminati, etc.

"K: Experts were not silent. 1,700 of them say that it was controlled demolition. There is no independent group of architects or engineers refuting them."

Apart from all the ones who wrote to refute the lunatics' report.

"K: So, you are calling these 1,700 architects and engineers 'insane'? They are still designing building, right now."

No-one has ever checked if those 1700 people actually are architects and engineers. I'll tell you one thing though: I don't want some dumbass who doesn't understand that steel bends when it gets hot designing my building.

I'm bored.

katana said...

nastiestuncle said...

@katana 14:06

"K: OK, there is some dispute about Home Insurance Building being the very first. But even a few years later there were full steel frame buildings going up. So what about the Empire State Building? Steel framed, built in 1931 and was the tallest building in the world until the World Trade Center Towers."

The Empire State building is steel frame plus masonry. How many times do I have to say that the Twin Towers were steel frame only.

"My point in this is that you, nastiestuncle (NU) make stuff up to simply stir the pot. This is just one example."

I haven't made anything up.

"K: Not believable. Watch the videos and you see floors being blown apart."

None of the videos show the floors being blown apart.

"K: The 'silence' of these millions of architects, engineers and firefighters worldwide does not mean they accept the official conspiracy theory. It just means they are silent for whatever reasons they have."

The official report wasn't a 'conspiracy theory'. It's you lot who are the conspiracy theorists. Jews, reptilians, Bilderbergers, Illuminati, etc.

"K: Experts were not silent. 1,700 of them say that it was controlled demolition. There is no independent group of architects or engineers refuting them."

Apart from all the ones who wrote to refute the lunatics' report.

"K: So, you are calling these 1,700 architects and engineers 'insane'? They are still designing building, right now."

No-one has ever checked if those 1700 people actually are architects and engineers. I'll tell you one thing though: I don't want some dumbass who doesn't understand that steel bends when it gets hot designing my building.

I'm bored.

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Nastiest Uncle

Given the nature of your replies to the above I won't respond to them as it is obvious you have no interest in the truth of the matter.

But, I'm beginning to find your trolling interesting, even amusing between moments of natural exasperation. And I'm not being patronizing or sarcastic.

Your 'troll art' has a certain crudeness, yet is married to a sophistication as shown in carefully crafted statements that contain traps, reflecting skill and training.

You also kind of make yourself useful as someone to keep us on our toes and to prevent incestuous back patting among ourselves.

So overall your presence here, on slight balance, is in the positive side despite the irritations that you cause.

Anyway, to clear the decks, can you give us your summary on 911?

My position BTW is that the jews (in and out of the US establishment) did it, plain and simple. Three building being blown apart floor by floor lead to that conclusion.

The ball is in our trollish court. Good luck!

nastiestuncle said...

Katana

I haven't been trained, my nigga.

And I know that my presence here is positive. Otherwise I wouldn't bother coming.

I think 911 was done my Muslims who wanted to destroy the US economy and have the US pull out from 'Muslim lands', allowing them to come closer to their goal of re-establishing the Caliphate.

It was all done in line with Islamic law. First the Americans were called to Islam. When they failed to convert nor pay the jizya tax, this allowed for the attack to take place. They had already attacked the WTC once in 1993 and so they went back for a second crack.

A key encouragement for the attacks came from President Clinton. Bin Laden was on record as saying that the US was a 'paper tiger' after its pull-out from Somalia after suffering only 19 troop deaths. It is thought that if the US had stayed the course in Somalia then 911 would not have happened, as the Muslims thought that if they did attack then the consequences for Muslims would be dire.

The attacks succeeded on several levels and not on others.
Success:
American economy destroyed.
American humiliation.
Americans drawn into costly war in Afghanistan.
Emboldening of Muslims worldwide.
Wave of Western coverts to Islam and greater awareness of Islam.
Set the stage for revolts by Muslims in secular Arab states.
Increase in fear of Islam amongst non-Muslims.
Allowed Muslims to claim victim status and gain sympathy from their Western allies (the left).
Allowed lots of Muslims to go to heaven.

Failure:
Americans increased presence in Muslim lands.
Decimation of al_Qaeda and making of al_Qaeda operations more difficult in the short and medium term.

There is no evidence that Jews did 911, nor was the invasion of Afghanistan in the favour of Israel or Jews.

The UK gained significantly from 911 in that donations to Irish terrorists from the US dropped off a cliff one the US knew what it was like to be attacked. Maybe the British did 911.

ER said...

Nastiest U. You make some good points, in fairness. I'm still not convinced though.

katana said...

30 September 2012 05:04
nastiestuncle said...

Katana

I haven't been trained, my nigga.
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Calling me your 'nigga' sums up why you're a troll.

Anonymous said...

Recent report about the high number of black/asian of Uk police officers on corruption charges which is not, apparently, an indication of high levels of corruption, but is because of 'racism'.

fg

Anonymous said...

One notices the daily mail praising UEFA for banning Sinisa Mikhailovic for two games for something he said to Patrick Vieira. How was the serb not to know that Vieira wasn't African?