Wednesday, 29 February 2012

Is there such a thing as a ‘moderate Muslim’?

Can there be such a thing as a ‘moderate’ Muslim? Or is the whole concept inherently ridiculous, like that of ‘the international community’, black ‘culture’, or the idea of a Dutchman buying a round of drinks? In case you’ve been lying awake in bed at night, worrying about this vexing question, I provide below a simple Five Point toolkit, free of charge to the world, which will help you work it out the next time you’re faced with the dilemma.

Ask the Muslim:

(1) Should a Muslim who converts to another religion be put to death? Yes/No

(2) Should a married woman who commits adultery be stoned to death? Yes/No

(3)Should a man be entitled to marry a six year old child? Yes/No

(4)Should those guilty of sodomy buried alive or have a wall pushed over on them? Yes/No

(5)Should highway robbers be crucified? Yes/no?

If he, and it will be a ‘he’, answers yes to these questions, then he certainly cannot be described as moderate, I think we all can agree.

If he answers no, well then, he’s not a Muslim

If we ever do manage to find a few I think we should release a breeding pair into the wild and see what happens.

94 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hmmm!Considering that they got a team sponsored by Tennents to make shirts without the sponsors name on them especially for them I would say that the guys were as moderate as the Orange Order whose tempearnce units march along pissed out of their tiny minds on C2H6O which they are not meant to use.

Franz said...

Actually, crucifixion is an ancient European form of punishment and were it not for the religious overtones, I'd demand its reintroduction into the penal code, for the thug infestation here in Germany begins to be worrysome.

But out of respect for the secularism of the state, I'd be willing to trade down for swifter forms of public punishment, since all this social work and rehablititation business has not worked out, has cost a king's ransom and has failed to transform vermin into anything other than hardened vermin.

So yes: When it comes to punishment, I find myself in partial agreement with the Muslims (although I am shocked to admit as much to myself).

Anonymous said...

One thing these muslims have going for them is that none of em ever put their own people down. They don't have any self haters. They're a lot more sensible than whites in that respect and immune to jewish psychops and dont tolerate usury. The jews have done collasal damage to whites with words. They need bombs to hurt muslims.

Anonymous said...

There is no such thing as a moderate Moslem as they are all trapped in a system they cannot leave, like somelarge black hole. That is why it is convenient for Tommy Robinson/Exley to state that EDL is against seventh century Islam, not moderate Moslems,
of which there are none.Nothing in
Islam has any flexibility, they all believe Islam as it was first formed is perfect and should be the system throughout the World [ Sharia ].Islam could be viewed as a mental illness, a mental disorder.Like the Moonie cult and voodoo, Islam should also be totally banned in the entire World.It is cancer.

Rob said...

Typo alert, last sentence: "kind a few" - I assume you meant "find a few".

I don't see much point in concentrating on Muslims as Muslims. This approach can be - and has been - hijacked by certain groups who want to pretend it's just a matter of religion or "culture".

Even if there wasn't a single Muslim in the world, we'd be still being destroyed by non-White immigration. A bit more slowly perhaps, and by invaders less intent on imposing their ways on us, but that's about the only difference.

Artur said...

Savage: beaucoup typos in this post.

That's not like you!

Sincerely,

- Arturo

crimesofthetimes.com

Heraclitus said...

Re-read the post Savant. Savants don't do such things, surely?

Anonymous said...

Is that a fact about Tennents?

Iron Felix said...

The innate logic of Islam is bound up in its name, which means "Peace",the implication being that it is the "way of peace".Central to this line of thought is that the Peace of Allah will prevail upon the Earth when all have come to worship Him and live as per His prescriptions. So far so good; but it gets a little tricky from here on in. For this universal harmony to prevail not alone must every other belief system in the world, but every last one of the adherents thereof, down to the smallest wee baba, be exterminated as being "Pollution upon Earth". This is the iron logic of this movement, from which there is neither escape nor appeal. How, pray, may we be expected to co-exist with such? And still the dupes pop up with their twaddle about "moderate" Muslims.
A "moderate Moslem" is like "scientific Socialism" or "boiling ice" or "self-respecting Irishman"--an oxymoron pure and simple.

Heraclitus said...

Felix - there' no direct translation of the word 'Islam' into English. From a major, albeit autodidactic, study I did I came to the view that 'submission' was a more accurate meaning. In this instance of course submission is to the will of Allah. The problem arises though when it comes to who decides what Allah realy really really wants. If you want to know that, over to the mullahs.

Anonymous said...

Anon 21:45 Yes.

SAVANT said...

My god, you guys are a demanding unfrgiving lot. I make one typo and you're down on me like a ton of bricks. (sob)

Anonymous said...

A "moderate" Muslim is one who practises "taqiyya": deception of the infidel for the purposes of long-term Islamic triumph. Sadly, too many gullible Westerners (including Israelis) fall for this shite.

JP

Anonymous said...

BOB IN SWANSEA

Extremist muslims want to kill you right now.
Moderate muslims are just a little more patient.
After all, What is the difference between replacing us 1% per year for 50 years, or 50% of us in 1 year? Only your perception of the threat!

Identifying Muslim Moderates
They :
(a) Don't carry an RPG launcher everywhere they go.
(b) Don't cheer whenever Westerners are killed.
(c) Don't loot the bodies of dead soldiers.
(d) Don't give money to al-Qaida.
(e) Don't quit flying lessons before the 'landing' part of the course.
(f) Don't explode if you poke 'em.
(g) Don't have any thing against women and think every man should own at least four
(h) Refine heroin for a living, but have a moral objection to liquor,

Anonymous said...

BOB IN SWANSEA (again)

You lucky Americans (and Irish) stlll have it all to come

The 5 Stages of Muslim Conquest (tried and tested in 56 Countries over 1400 years) with only 3 reversals Israel, Greece and Spain (El Cid Etc)

The UK is at Stage 3.
America is at Stage 1
History shows that Stages 2,3,4,and 5 follow as sure as day follows night

Stage 1
New Muslim settlers in a country keep a low profile and remain law abiding (Britain 25 years ago) My Doctor, My pharmacist, Taxi drivers. No problems. What lovely people. They wouldn't hurt a fly! Would they? And I just love their curry. No Veils, Niqabs etc

Stage 2
As they increase in numbers, double and triple, money arrives from oil rich countries to build mosques and issue instructions. Then they start protesting against "oppressive" local laws and advance the case for Sharia

Stage 3
As they see the new country's weak spots, they move into the relevent professions and start to take over areas. (Tower Hamlets, Bradford, Luton, etc, )

Stage 4
As they become confident and strong, financially, materially and militarily, they will carve a piece of land from the country as exclusively their own with finance from oil rich countries (Bosnia, Kosovo etc.)

Stage 5
Finally they will go for the kill and total takeover of the country (or piece of the country) as in Lebanon, Kosovo etc

Goodbye Freedom
Hullo Sharia

Bemused stare said...

Simle answer, NO. And until we grow a pair and speak to them in a language they understand, we will lose.

If you want them out of Europe, a hundred thousand of them on pikes would be a good start. Five hundred thousand lining the road to Damascus would give them a clue which direction it would be a good plan to head in.

kulak said...

I don't see much point in concentrating on Muslims as Muslims. This approach can be - and has been - hijacked by certain groups who want to pretend it's just a matter of religion or "culture".

Right on Rob. Islam is not the problem.

Iron Felix said...

Well Heraclitus, you could well be right on the meaning of the word Islam. However, keep in mind that when these monomaniacal ragheads finally get the upper hand and go to work on the infidels ("..pollution upon earth...") they won't be overly detained by concerns as regards translational difficulties....

Anonymous said...

The most accurate translation for islam is submission.

The phrase "The religion of peace" is used to ridicule islam.

Shaunantijihad said...

Qur'an:8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Qur'an:8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam."
Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:111 "Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone.
Qur'an 8:12 "I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
Qur'an 5:33 "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful.”
Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"
Tabari IX:131 “I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."
Bukhari:V4B52N260 "No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, "If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him."'"
Tabari VII:133Ishaq:387 "When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, 'If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!' When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, 'By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody."
Ishaq:602 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."'"
Tabari IX:69 "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us."
Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
Tabari IX:25 "By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant."
Qur'an 33:21 "You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow."

Jeremy said...

This post is written in a facetious style (no offence to the writer) but it makes a very very valid point. If you are a muslim you MUST answer yes to these questions. And if you do, how the hell do you propose living in a western democracy?

Hector G. said...

Kulak and Rob are correct. Muslims are not the problem. I think most of us know who represents the real problem. But Muslims are a major symptom of the real problem. And a real pain in the ass to have to live with.

beppo said...

@ Anonymous 10:38

Ditto exactly.
X2.

Eimear said...

Shaunantijihad. Fantastic quotations. And where it gets very tricky for the Religion of Peace is that they say these are the very words of Allah, verbatim.

That gives you very little wriggle room. Part of the explanation/excuse is that this related to conditions that applied 1500 years ago. In which case the obvious riposte is 'why the fuck are you guys shoving it down our throats today then?'.

Logically they're in an impossible poition. But hey, when did logic ever have anything to do with these guys, right?

beppo said...

@ Jeremy:

They propose living in a western democracy only temporarily until they convert it into an Islamic theocracy.

Anonymous said...

Check out some moderate Muslims here http://www.reuters.com/article/video/idUSTRE81K09T20120224?videoId=230749128

beppo said...

@ Artur:

Are you confusing Savvy with Michael Savage?
Well, some of his posts might be red herrings... it's possible,I suppose.

Anonymous said...

(1) No

(2)Er......alright,no.

(3)No.

(4)Er......

(5)Yes.

mr.a

Shaunantijihad said...

Thanks Eimear,

There are many more quotations at http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

I used them to make my own poster. In fact, I'll email it to savant to see if he can upload it for you to print off and take to the pub.

Anonymous said...

A Cathedral in a Spanish city is covered with arabic graffiti.

Could you imagine if there was a single graffito on a mosque?

Andreas said...

Yes, and that cathedral in Spain is the one of El Cid. Which is probably why it attracts such animosity. As you say, can you imagine if a corresponding Muslim building got the same treatment?

To rub salt in the wound, this is in our lands.

Anonymous said...

As they increase in numbers, double and triple, money arrives from oil rich countries to build mosques and issue instructions.

Thats happened in Cork I think, 8oo grand or so wasn't it

Corkonian said...

'Thats happened in Cork I think, 8oo grand or so wasn't it?'

Plus I'm sure some help from the hapless Irish taxpayer as well.

Anonymous said...

Did any of you watch the Channel 4 show about the EDL this week?

I was left with one main thought after watching it.

If the Power-That-Be want to race-mix Europeans out of the picture then why did they let so many Muslims in?


It doesn't add up.

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised that an Irishman should ask if there are moderate Muslims. Of course there are. Are all Catholics in Ulster murdering Nationalists or are they moderates? The problem is extremism. I classify extremists and terrorists as being the same for this argument. Catholics in the North were terrorised into supporting the IRA in general. We all know what happened in this case. Why would the Muslims react any differently than Catholics? The Muslim, in general, is probably more fanatical than the Irish Nationalists are. Taking this view doesn't bode well for the future though. I can see the whole of Europe being divided into religious areas with peace walls dividing them.

Anonymous said...

If you live in Detroit, you don’t have to fly to Kinshasa or Dakar to get a taste of the Congo and Senegal. There are Congolese and Senegalese and Gambians living in your midst and reproducing the conditions of their ancestral homelands.

It doesn’t matter whether they speak English, French, Portuguese, or Lingala. It doesn’t matter whether they are Protestants or Catholics or Muslims. It doesn’t matter whether they live in Africa or North America or Europe or Latin America. It doesn’t matter that they have been separated for hundreds of years and born and raised in radically different environments.

Ancestry is what matters above all else. It is a far more powerful influence on behavior than culture or environment. The Whites in the Detroit suburbs are more like their European cousins than the Africans living in Detroit. The African-Americans in Detroit are more like their cousins in Africa in the Congo and Nigeria and Senegal than the Europeans living in the Detroit suburbs.

Detroit is burning because Americans are unable to come to grips with the truth. The liberal assumption that “all men are created equal” is false. No amount of government spending or any crackpot social engineering scheme can transform Africans into Europeans because the racial differences that separate them are rooted in heredity.

What are we seeing in Detroit? We are seeing what Port-au-Prince or Dakar or Kinshasa would look like if Haiti, Senegal, and the Democratic Republic of Congo were American states. We are seeing what these African countries would look like if the national government was controlled by Whites and the local government was controlled by blacks.

If you pumped countless billions of dollars of White taxpayer dollars into Port-au-Prince, Dakar, and Kinshasa and imposed some facsimile of European law and order onto these cities, you would have the conditions that now prevail in Detroit. It is the difference between a partial collapse and a full blown collapse.

The truth about Detroit cannot be admitted without fatally undermining the founding principles that have guided the Left ever since the French Revolution: the unity of humanity, the inevitability of progress, the belief in human equality, the existence of “natural rights,” the social contract, the myth of the noble savage, the myth that man is “naturally” born good, liberal democracy as a magic elixir that fixes all ills, etc.

The whole house of cards would come crashing down.

By Hunter Wallace

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/03/01/detroit-massacre/

Anonymous said...

Bemused Stare, I am afraid, has it right on the button.

Teach muslims correct behavior.
Teach them that if they want to behave appallingly, then they must go back to muslimland.

... And if the lesson must be taught by a latter-day Vlad the Impaler, then the lesson will stick.**

Like the boogs, do not hate them. Simply treat them as dangerous and unpredictable beasts that must be trained or eradicated ... like beasts.
Do not attempt to reason with them. Reason does not work. You cannot reason with a bacillus.

Simply arrange matters so that if one of them bares its teeth in the direction of you or yours, that one is removed from the equation along with immediate and extended family, tribe, and if necessary, village. Yea, unto the tenth generation.

Even a rabid wolverine can acquire a race memory.

Be careful ... that food bites back.

It is very simple.
People who say it is more complicated than that are merely obfuscating the issue for their own agenda.

UN

**Pardon the pun ... it was really unintentional.

UN
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Anonymous said...

Bemused Stare, I am afraid, has it right on the button.

Teach muslims correct behavior.
Teach them that if they want to behave appallingly, then they must go back to muslimland.

... And if the lesson must be taught by a latter-day Vlad the Impaler, then the lesson will stick.**

Like the boogs, do not hate them. Simply treat them as dangerous and unpredictable beasts that must be trained or eradicated ... like beasts.
Do not attempt to reason with them. Reason does not work. You cannot reason with a bacillus.

Simply arrange matters so that if one of them bares its teeth in the direction of you or yours, that one is removed from the equation along with immediate and extended family, tribe, and if necessary, village. Yea, unto the tenth generation.

Even a rabid wolverine can acquire a race memory.

Be careful ... that food bites back.

It is very simple.
People who say it is more complicated than that are merely obfuscating the issue for their own agenda.

UN

**Pardon the pun ... it was really unintentional.

UN
.

Hector said...

Re that program on the EDL, not having seen it could you explain your point a bit more?

Hector G. said...

UN - not for the 1st time you are 100% right. I know from direct experience.

B Boru said...

anon 22.10. I have to disagree in the strongest terms. There's nothing in Catholic teachings or 'holy books' that tells people to what the Koran does.(See comment by shaunantijihad) They are like chalk and cheese. And don't forget that the Koran is supposed to be the direct word of god/allah so it's instructions must be followed to the letter.

The IRA was an extreme Nationalist/criminal group but there's nothing stopping them changing their position and becoming (kind of) model citizens. Which has kind of happened.

That cannot apply to Muslims. I think Savant nailed it when he said if you don't go along with what god said well then you're not a Muslim.

I'm a lot more with the Franz and UN appraoch.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised that an Irishman should ask if there are moderate Muslims. Of course there are. Are all Catholics in Ulster murdering Nationalists or are they moderates?

1 March 2012 22:10


Very good point, with one caveat. Muslimes, like blacks are tribal ... and if you are a part of a tribal environment, you are conformist above all.

The tribe -- which is nothing more than an extended family -- cannot exist if any members are non-conformist. If you are non-conformist, you are not a member of the tribe, and therefore you must be crushed into conformity -- or exiled.

The tribe wins. This has been the way of the tribe for hundreds of generations. Why? Because it works -- for the tribe.

Bob in Swansea has it exactly right. Noggers and ragheads in small doses ... individuals or small families and groups, lose their tribal identity to survive in their new non-tribal environment. They have to. When in Rome ...

If the only nigger in Northfield, Minnesota, slaughtered an ox in the parking lot outside the Galleria, he would soon be shown the error of his ways.

If he is required to fit into a white environment ...

But if he is moved to a nigghetto among others of his tribe who ask "Hey Abdul, when are you gonna cut up another ox?" He is back in his tribal environment and tribalism exerts its pressure, once more.

All is familiar. He is at home.

And once again, the answer is simple. Remove the tribe from your white environment. By any means possible.

By that token, why do you think the hebarrhoids have survived 5000 years? They are a tribe and behave like one.

Q.-fucking-E.D.

We, whites, must become tribal.

UN
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SAVANT said...

I'd agree with UN and the hard-line posters. I have had many close Muslim colleagues for many years and have spoken at length with some of them in Sweden.

Basic truth, you cannoy reason with them when it comes to religion. They lose all reason. I knew a guy in Saudi Arabia, a senior systems engineer with Aramco, American educated. He excused polygamy by claiming that there were three times as many women as men in the world.

Now tell me how you negotiate and deal with people like that?

Bemused stare said...


Now tell me how you negotiate and deal with people like that?


Easy, pikes. Burning oil products. A level of basic nastiness that will make most of us cringe. In short, if we want to survive, we will have to return to some older thinking and practice.

Think on this. On those occasions in history, when such threats against our peoples have been made to back off, how did it happen?

Did it happen (A) because some ever so polite types asked the invaders if we can all just get along? Or (B) because they were scared rather shitless of remaining in the neighborhood?

Anonymous said...

Hector

My point is that the EDL (or at least the leadership) are anti-racist. They just don't like fundamentalist Muslims.

If the Powers-That-Be really wanted to race-mix Europeans out of the picture they would have encouraged more immigration from other areas and stopped fundamentalist Muslims from coming in. They don't want to mix and they in fact galvanize the majority against them with their antics (e.g. protesting against homecoming soldiers).

It just doesn't add up for me.

Anonymous said...

Witchfinder General says:
March 1, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Kristy Bamu is dead too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/01/witchcraft-trial-eric-bikubi-profile
Why the fuck are these stone age savages allowed into what used to be our nice civilised country.
Time to clean up the place!


Bengali Bengali
In platforms
Leave your ways behind

as Morrissey sang to be branded a racist.

Anonymous said...

No more so than a "moderate" Jew.

Hector said...

anon 01.50. Thank you, that explains what I wanted to know. I agree with you. The Muslims are only a symptom, at best a part of the problem.

Iron Felix said...

Now, Anon 22.10, this will not do, will not do at all. To say that the Catholics of the North were terrorised into supporting the IRA is to stand history on its head, and is entirely untrue. As such, like all misrepresentations it only serves to muddy the waters further, at just the point where clarity and truth are most needed.

Anonymous said...

the EDL is a Zionist organisation now , although it didn't start like that. It has the backing of some powerful Jew groups. As one of the tens of thousands involved at a very low level heres my take.
Jews are and we're the driving force behind the destruction of our societies and civilisation.This has been done out of not just arrogance and hate , although both are defining qualities of yids as group. But as we all know oen of the reasons was to make themselves feel less conspicuous in Our Homelands ( cheeky cnuts I hate them all the more for that). A central pillar of the immigration is good meme as that we can't discriminate against non-white groups wanting to come and steal all that our fore fathers not the kikes built up. Clearly kikes being kikes thought that they could control teh situation because they're , obviously , so much smarter than everyone else. Islam does what it has done since the beginning and spreads like an aggressive cancer killing all the healthy cells in its area. This clearly upsets whites. There will be some back lash but his to be the 'right sort' backlash. Again as we all know Multi-culturalism is just another form of cultural marxism, and the yids need sit it's part of their survival strategy in Our Homelands.

I don't think the EDL is about stopping Islam but about controlling White racial conscience, not from everyones perspective bt from some. The good thing about the EDL is that it has mobilised the White Working class, which allows evil Nazi's like me and others an opportunity to speak to hundreds of of whites who are angry , realise they've been betrayed and are in mortal danger of being wiped out.

The EDL cannot control the thoughts or opinions of the people it has played major part in waking and/or galavanising and then bringing together. The hard part will be to stop infighting between the groups which will do something more and the EDL which should be used as an incubator to breed the Whites who will play a role in saving our race and destroying the system that obviously wants to destroy us.

Clearly we have to fight a full spectrum war against the bastards in charge of the state , the EDL also plays are major part in that even if some of backers would rather it didn't and just concentrated on those nasty Muzz who are intent on ruining the jew nightmare multi-ethnic/cultural diverse safe for the jew paradise.

Esther said...

No more so than a "moderate" Jew.????

This is total crap and unless you're retarded you know it.

Jews span the full spectrum from ultra-liberal secularists to fundamentalist nutters.

Anyway a Jew is born to Jewishness and he or she can freely take up any religion they want or none.

Most Jews detest what it says in the Talmud (I'm one of them).

But the difference between us and Muslims is that they have no choice but to follow 'the word of Allah'. We can ignore the crap in the Talmud and still be Jews.

Anonymous said...

Bemused stare said...

Now tell me how you negotiate and deal with people like that?

... In short, if we want to survive, we will have to return to some older thinking and practice.


I was told a while back -- and I cannot guarantee the veracity of the story -- that in the mid-18th century, any caravan traveling what once was the Silk Road from the Med to central China need only fly a union Jack at the lead and tail ... and no bandits would dare attack them for fear of truly draconian reprisals.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

One thing I can confirm was that during the Boxer rebellion, the Kaiser said (among other things that:- "... may the name German be affirmed by you in such a way in China that no Chinese will ever again dare to look cross-eyed at a German."

We need a few WNs to say this to the muds ... and be prepared to make it so.

UN
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has-been said...

If that's true of the EDL it's just the latest in a series of such organisations to succomb. The Zionst/jewish infiltration technique is amazingly effective.

Anonymous said...

I'm '2 March 2012 10:30' I'd like to apoloigise for the poor spelling grammar etc of my post. And clear a something up.
When I wrote 'not from everyones perspective b[u]t from some' . I meant that not from everyone in the leaderships perspective, and I don't have first hand knowledge, so I can only deduce. And I've come to my conclusions through watching people get censored , banned etc and observing what's allowed and whats not, and talking to others, higher up in real Nationalists groups who have first hand knowledge and who are in my opinion , decent, committed and brave men.



and '1 March 2012 22:10' the IRA bosses were Marxists gangsters who came from the Catholic community and recruited there. Unlike the Old IRA (1916) who were freedom fighters. And I'm a Prod

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXSE78KlB9o&feature=player_embedded#!

Kapparot

Is there such a thing as a sane Jew?

Iron Felix said...

further to what I said re the IRA,
(plus someones observation that they have morphed into being citizens), well, true enough, but what kind of citizens and parliamentarians though?
Well, today, Sinn Fein is politically bankrupt, ideas-wise; they peddle nothing more than the economically illiterate half-baked sub-marxism that was associated with Great Turnstile half a century and more ago. After all the bloodshed all they have to offer is a purely English sort of secularised Methodism which, need I add, is entirely pro-immigration and pro-wiggerisation. In the Struggle to free Ireland they stand foursquare with all those who wish to hand it away to the mud people. To laugh or weep, that is ever the question.

RIGHTWINGGUNNUT said...

Bemused Stare and the several anons;
NOW you're talking. Apply their very own Koranic prescriptions to them, pay the bastards in their own debased coin; severed heads along the border, that might be the thing.
Do like the police chief in the Romanian town, dealing with his gypsies(5% of the population, 55% of the crime)when he said "Don't let the sun go down on you tonight Gippo; go to Ireland---go dance in Ireland with Mary---because they are all fools over there, sweets from a babby, and Vincent will usher you in". That cop knew something, I tell you.

Corkonian said...

'Unlike the Old IRA (1916) who were freedom fighters. And I'm a Prod'

It's debatable whether the Old IRA were freedom fighters. Ireland at that time was legally part of the United Kingdom. The 'freedom fighters' had no mandate whatsoever from the Irish people to take arms and wage war on the state.

And I'm a Tague!

Anonymous said...

I think I'm going to give up on the spelling grammar thing .. it's clearly not my bag

Prod

eleos said...

Prod, re spelling and grammar, it's worthwhile, writing your comments in Word and then copy/paste into comment box. Does all spell and grammar checking.

Anonymous said...

When Rangers needed money before they introduced an Orange shirt, contrary to SFA regulations, to celebrate the Dutchmen on their team.

They could now go out and issue a Green shirt for all their muslim supporters couldn't they?

Rob said...

@Savant 0:40
Another typo: "you cannoy reason with them."

Just telling you it's kind of a relief to know you're not infallible, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary...

RegThe Hedge said...

Nice to hear the authoritive opinons of non norn ireland people about what the provos are all about. I've learned so much.

Anonymous said...

To Iron Felix
I served five tours of NI. All in Catholic areas. Creggan/Bogside/ Crossmaglen. Talking to Catholics in private they mainly siad that they agreed with Nationlist policies. Not with murder and torture. However, to show any dissent was to become the victim of murder and torture. I agree this fits in with tribal mentality. As for the Bible saying that you you should not murder someone. That's one interpretation. Read the Old Testament. It's full of it! Moderate Muslims (who I agree are few) may not take the koran literally. Now please can we call an end to this argument because I don't want to defend Islam. It's a dispicable (religion?). I hate it with a pathological hatered!

northern athiest said...

anon 19.44. We can call an end to the argument when we all agree that there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Savant's binary distinction is valid. I'm not defending Christianity but nobody said the Bible is the direct word of God, as the koran says. So you can't say you know muslims who 'don't take the koran literally' They're not Muslims.

Anonymous said...

Reg the hedge , It's just my opinion , it might not be worth much but there you go fella. Living in England and seeing the 'British' government destroy my country I can sympathise, and now understand that one mans freedom fighter is another's terrorist. Also I've experience of fighting 'terrorists', who behave in ways that I don't think the IRA of 1916 did ..If I'm wrong show me. Leave sarcastic comebacks to the left.

Prod

Anonymous said...

Rob said...

@Savant 0:40
Another typo: "you cannoy reason with them."

Just telling you it's kind of a relief to know you're not infallible, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary...


Nobody's perfect.

Once, I thought I was wrong ... but I was mistaken.

UN
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SAVANT said...

I had the same problem UN.

It's like saying anyone else would have a big head. Not me. I'm perfect.

Anonymous said...

Always glad to help Reg!

RegThe Hedge said...

Sympathise and sarcasm. Nice. Why not "sorry pal I just can't understand". Every shitbag thinks he gets it caise he'sread the book. It is free to have an opinion where you're from. One of the very first lessons I learned was to never express an opinion. My father spent a lot of time drilling that into us. Gerry Adams is a Marxist cunt. However he is a Marxost cunt with balls of steel. I hate him but I admire him.

Anonymous said...

Savant says: "Is there such a thing as a ‘moderate Muslim’?"

The one whose ugly, hirsute visage you have chosen to illustrate this thread, is a case in point.

This gape-mouthed creature evokes curiosity in me. A desire to see just how far one's size nine can fit in that mouth.

Read your Covington.

Start with a space you can call your own. Evict all those who not fit in. A little brutality can go a long way here.

Force the muds back to where their presence is desired, or at best, tolerated. The land of the liberal, the politician, the lefty rent-seeker, the race-hustler.

Or as was so beautifully put, the reality fugitives.

Consolidate your space ... but small steps at first. For those who could use a blueprint, go to The Gates of Vienna ... and read the future histories of a fellow who writes under the name "El Inglés"

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.nz/2008/07/crystal-ball-for-britain-part-1.html

A Crystal Ball for Britain: Part 1
-- plus, of course, the rest in the series.

and

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.nz/2007/11/danish-civil-war.html

A fragment:-

The Danish Civil War

It is my pleasure to introduce a new Gates of Vienna correspondent, a Briton who prefers to go by the name of “El Inglés”.

The speculative future scenario El Inglés lays out below is one of his own devising, yet it agrees with many of my own intuitions about the process now unfolding in Europe. The congruity with my own views is further emphasized by the location in the story where the European resistance begins: Denmark.

Concerning the availability of firearms in Denmark: one of my Danish contacts lives in a rural area, and he most of his neighbors own guns. He had assumed that these were all legal hunting firearms, registered with the police. He found out that this was not true, and also that the local police were well aware of all the unregistered guns, but were not concerned about it.

This made me feel even more optimistic about Denmark.

Now I’ll let El Inglés take over. This account is a long one, but bear with it; it’s well worth reading all the way through.


If you have a few spare minutes, they are entertaining reads ... especially the comments.

And consider the success of tribal thinking ... but make it work for your tribe.

Enjoy,
Uncle Nasty
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Denise said...

Fellas - NAME the REAL problem. That name is JEW. Ya can't fix a problem until you name the problem. I know individual Mulsims, and Jews. I can honestly say I like the Muslims a LOT better that the Jews. Muslims want every-one to convert to Islam. They''re not viciously racist that way jews are. Overall Jews have done a LOT more damage, from within, than Muslims have. Who are the social abriters, in the USA, and the West, that have foisted "multi-culturalism" and made "racism" a crime? Not Muslims. Jews are using Muslims to destroy Europe, and Blacks and Mexicans to destroy the USA. The problem, and always has been, is The JEW.

Rob said...

ALL the problems we have with Muslims are of our own making. It's not their religion or culture that's the problem, it's their presence in our countries, not one of which they entered by military invasion. Our treacherous rulers brought them here. Now they're doing what all peoples have done down through the ages, i.e. occupying new territory and making it their own. Nations have made incredible sacrifices to gain for themselves a few extra square miles of living space. We are handing the Muslims a continent on a plate - what would you expect them to do, turn it down?

Denise said...

Anonymous,

Re: your query about the existence of sane Jews. No. Not really. They are the most misgenenated creatures on Earth. Misgeneation is an abomination. Jews have 4x the genetic illnesses of any other racial group, usually resulting in a plethora of mental illnesses, and cretinism. There's data on the Net, floating about, that schizophrenia is a virus, and Jews are the carriers. This may explain the increase of lunacy, in the general population, when they are allowed to run loose. Jewish "psychiatry" obsesses over all kinds of mental abberations, and deviancies. They are the twisted seeds that produce poisoned fruit.

Anonymous said...

The 'freedom fighters' had no mandate whatsoever from the Irish people to take arms and wage war on the state.

Like Adolph said, if only a thousand men are of sound mind, then those thousand are the nation.

Or: Everybody loves a winner.

You don't get a mandate from the people and THEN go off and win.

You start winning and the mandate falls into your hands like ripe fruit.

Anonymous said...

But the difference between us and Muslims is that they have no choice but to follow 'the word of Allah'. We can ignore the crap in the Talmud and still be Jews.

That's right!

You CAN ignore the talmud and STILL make money and subvert your host.

What a deal!

Why, you can even be an ATHEIST and still be welcomed in SYNAGOGUE.

What a deal!

The guys with the funny hats who believe every last goddamn word of the talmud are the LEAST dangerous to whites.

It's the so-called "reformed" who are the WORST.

You don't HAVE to put a gold star on a guy who goes about his daily business wearing a yarmulka.

They remind ALL that they are different.

I might not always like them, but THAT is behavior I can RESPECT.

THOSE are the jews that white nationalists can do business with.

I don't think the others really know WHAT the fuck they are.

But no man can serve two masters.

Anonymous said...

Friday, February 17, 2012

Liberalism = Enforced Denial of Reality

In response to two discussions recently, at Bonalds and Phi's, I am inspired to explain how the Liberal thought process works.

Basically, liberals are smart idiots, lost in their own cloud castles. They never talk about specifics and ALWAYS ignore real experience in favor of abstractions.

Their whole premise is that dislike of deviancy and difference is IRRATIONAL and based on IGNORANCE. In fact, contra-Liberalism, dislike of so-called "outgroups" is always based on experience and observation.

For example, according to PC propaganda, racism is based on ignorance and/or stupidity. In reality, we are racist for specific reasons grounded in real experience. We may find, according to our own experiences, a particular racial “outgroup" to be obnoxious, pushy, criminal, lazy, smelly, sleazy, violent, dumb, etc etc etc…

Only if discussion of those real reasons is absolutely prohibited does the PC propaganda work.

Or, considering the case of homosexuals. In fact, people widely find them to be dislikable because of their flaming, dramatic, sissy, and selfish/narcissistic behaviors and attitudes, combined with their repeated sexual predation upon boys, not to mention their spread of sexual diseases.

Liberals refuse to entertain discussion of any of those real life experiences. They simply yell: "homophobia!!!"

The Definition of Liberalism

Liberalism is the denial of reality in favor of fantasy, rejecting "what-is", in favor of "what-should-be".

That is why liberals push for thought-control though politically correct taboos and speech-laws. Their program of liberal indoctrination depends upon an active suppression of facts.

Thus, they enforce a taboo on discussion about the negative qualities of blacks, or homosexuals, or Jews, or whoever. If no one is allowed to express their real grievances based negative experiences and facts, then the Libs can push the lie that "hatred is based on ignorance" or that "racism is irrational".

Posted by Justin at Friday, February 17, 2012 4 comments Links to this post Labels: Liberalism, propaganda


http://religionnewsblog.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Off topic but the comments in the Telegraph this morning on the witchcraft/murder in England are as strong as anything you will find here.

mr.a

brian boru said...

Why are our White homelands swarming with Muslim invaders? Who allowed this to happen? The native Whites certainly didn't want it. Who prevents any meaningful action from being taken to kick these invaders out? Who is behind the invasion of various Islamic countries by the American and British military? Who was behind all the insane 'anti-racist' laws in White countries? Identify these people and you identify the real enemy. That's the enemy that should be impaled enmasse.

Anonymous said...

Brian boru. The answer to your question has been provided by Denise a couple of comments earlier!

SAVANT said...

@brian boru. There'a amore expanded (a LOT more expanded) version of the Denise explanation to your question here:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2010/12/our-most-improtant-issue-relations-with.html

eleos said...

Rob, you totally correct. We have problems with Muslims only because we invited/allowed them into our countries in vast numbers. If they were back in their own countries they'd be too busy fighting one another to bother us. Anyway they do not have the resources or capabilities to bother us from their own countries.

eleos said...

Rob, you totally correct. We have problems with Muslims only because we invited/allowed them into our countries in vast numbers. If they were back in their own countries they'd be too busy fighting one another to bother us. Anyway they do not have the resources or capabilities to bother us from their own countries.

Anonymous said...

Esther 10:33


Esther, Esther, Esther,

Who do you think is worse?

1) An invader who bangs on your city gates and openly challenges you?

OR

2) A traitorous rat that sneaks out in the middle of the night and opens the city gates from within and lets the invader in?



Actually scratch that, it doesn't matter who YOU think is worse....

Who do you think that white people would think is worse, if they knew the truth?

Eimear said...

anon 12.59. Nasty but true.

SAVANT said...

@Justin. I agree and this is why I always refer to them as 'so-called liberals'. Because they are in fact the polar opposite of real liberals - the latter being more akin to classical conservatives.

I've expounded at more length on that subject here if you're interested.

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2008/10/dont-blame-liberalism.html

Anonymous said...

anon @ 12:59

Marcus Tullius Cicero, quotes about Treason:

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.

Source: http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_about/treason

Floran said...

New youtube video by Harold Covington:

Jew-awareness for Beginners

Anonymous said...

Please help me out, here.

This may be O/T, Savant, but there is something that has been on the back of my mind for a few weeks, now.

It appears that britain (I cannot bring myself to capitalise it) is aghast and undone because India -- get this -- has refused its yearly handout of foreign aid.

A while back, India, you may recall, refused any further british economic aid as they (India) famously said that:-

A. British Aid was a "drop in the bucket." and "A peanut" and ...

B. India did not really need it anyway.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/parties-says-india-should-refuse-british-aid_757086.html

and

http://kaumudiglobal.com/innerpage1.php?newsid=15999

... these articles are really worth reading for the quotes. To wit:-

Mukherjee’s remarks, previously unreported outside India, were made during question time in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament.

“We do not require the aid,” he said, according to the official transcript of the session.

“It is a peanut in our total development exercises [expenditure].” He said the Indian government wanted to “voluntarily” give it up.

According to a leaked memo, the foreign minister, Nirumpama Rao, proposed “not to avail [of] any further DFID [British] assistance with effect from 1st April 2011,” because of the “negative publicity of Indian poverty promoted by DFID”.

But officials at DFID, Britain’s Department for International Development, told the Indians that cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain, according to sources in Delhi.

DFID has sent more than £1 billion of UK taxpayers’ money to India in the last five years and is planning to spend a further £600 million on Indian aid by 2015.


One of the reasons for refusal is (ostensibly) that britain wants india to replace its creaky MIG21 fighters with the brit co-sponsored Typhoon Eurojet, but India has refused advances from the UK as well as the US and is settling on the French Rafale.

Okay, the point?

Will someone please tell me why the brits, sinking into an economic morass, are literally begging India to take money, that even the Indians do not want?

Secondly, how can cancelling the programme cause "grave political embarrassment” to Britain"?

Attempting to embarrass a politician is like trying to embarrass the cat.

Finally, does anyone have any notion of how much wealth is pissed away on aid to the thankless and gratitude-deficient third world? That is a real question.

Qui bono?**

UN

**And, no, I am not talking about that particular carbuncle on the arsehole of Ireland.
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SAVANT said...

UN - Last one first. How much aid to the Thir Worl is wasted every year?

Answer - all of it. Not very helpful I know, but as we do know Ireland gives €700 million annually.

Why is Britain upset? Well one reason is that when you take aid you sign up to buy certain products from the donor. The USA is notorioua for this - you must buy nearly everything from America. In such circumstances the British aid to India might be small beer, a downpayemnt as it were.

Why are the French getting the deal? IMHO, based on extensive direct experience in this field, I'd say that a generous lodgement has appeared in the Swiss bank a/c of the relevant Ministers conerned. Simple as that.

I'm minded of the British bid for the World Cup, wheeling out royalty etc. Never going to win. The delegates had been bought and paid for long before the 'contest' even began. Would anyoen seriously suggest that in a normal bidding process Qatar would have come in the first 100 nations???

Westminster MP said...

Why is it that radical, apparently deranged Muslim types, as in your photo, seem to always insist on supergluing clumps of pubic hair to their chins?

Do they think it will attract more burkha-clad beauties, or what? Or are they simply determined to be seen for what they are? Stupid pricks!

I mean, not like it's the most important issue here, but must they so often dress and comport themselves like they've just stepped out of a loony bin, or some such place?

I hasten to add, of course, that these are only my private thoughts!

After all, being a typical British parliamentarian, I thoroughly welcome such cultural diversity! Especially for others ... well, actually no, only for others ...

Heraclitus said...

Westminster MP - I wouldn't expect one living in a rarified atmosphere such as yours to understand. But as a civic-spirited citizien I'm prepared to help.

Muslims are incapable of thinking rationally about their religion. Simple as that. Perhaps this is because, due to its inherent irrationality, any form of critical thinking has been beaten out of them from the day they first saw a decapitation.

So they do not 'think'. They act. Trying to impute a thinking process as the genesis of their actions and beliefs will get you precisely nopwhere.

Anonymous said...

Heraclitus said...

Westminster MP - I wouldn't expect one living in a rarified atmosphere such as yours to understand. But as a civic-spirited citizien I'm prepared to help.

Muslims are incapable of thinking rationally about their religion. Simple as that. Perhaps this is because, due to its inherent irrationality, any form of critical thinking has been beaten out of them from the day they first saw a decapitation.

I don't know if this is just another calumny, but I do understand that first, second and third cousin marriages are extremely common. Can anyone confirm or deny without bias?

If, of course, this is the case, this would explain the hair-trigger fire-cracker-like emotional instability often displayed by arab semites.

Another thing I find interesting, is the very rural indifference to violent death and wounding.

I got onto a site a few months back, which is all about (you're going to think me weird, here) historical decapitations ... mostly in Asia (China really) at the turn of the nineteenth century.

Oddly enough, a great deal of them, the subject of picture postcards.

One thing that struck me was the inordinate amount of children viewing the proceedings with detached interest, and no sign of horror or even distaste.

People are weird creatures.

UN
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SAVANT said...

UN - nothing wierd in having an interest in decapitations in rural China. It's the main subject of conversation in my pub.

But seriously, I've often wondered about this urban/rural, adult/child divide. I remember as a young adult being appalled at hunting scenes (foxed, badgers) while country kids thought it great fun.

Don't have an explanation though....