Friday, 27 January 2012

Load. Aim. Fire at foot

The madness of the US getting involved in a fight with Iran seems boundless. Quite apart from a shooting war and all that that entails in terms of blood and treasure (cf. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) the less direct economic costs can also be vast. If one country tries to force sanctions on another it needs to be in a very strong economic position. The US had been in that position for almost the last century but is now rapidly losing it.

When this happens the countries that don’t support the sanctions, or who see an advantage in avoiding them, will do just that. When that happens the country initiating the sanctions loses out on a whole range of commercial opportunities. Often for a very long time.

This is what’s happening now. The unilateral and imperious imposition of sanctions has lead to an outbreak of new arrangements among powerful countries which will benefit Iran and have catastrophic impact on the US. The most significant in my view is the move by China to buy oil from the UAE using the renmimbi. The Gulf Arabs have broken rankes on the dollar. This on top of Chinese agreements with Russia, Japan and Iran to conduct their trade in their own currencies. Now India is apparently using gold to buy oil from Iran. Stuff the boycott. The US is powerless to do anything about it.

This is earth-shattering news for Americans – or should be. But you’d never guess it from its meagre coverage in the MSM. What it means is that the undermining of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency will undergo a step-change increase. And once such a retreat begins it can quickly become a rout. Impact on American standard of living? Catastrophic.

Yet the American establishment continues on its merry way, 100-0 votes in the Senate, cruising to disaster, oblivious. For what?


Anonymous said...


Alan Shatter in the British press on the eve of Holocaust Memorial Day. The usual nonsense: Hitler, Nazis, anti-Semites, the “camps”, persecution etc.

Daily Mail:

Frank Galton

Rusty Mason said...

Excellent points. You should write for ZeroHedge -- they could use some better articles lately.

Anonymous said...


Maybe you shoud watch the movie "Idiocracy" to relaize what is happening here in America.


Anonymous said...

Who gives a fuck, Savant? Will Brady smash the uppity Giants in revenge for 2008? That's all we Americans give a fuck about! Whoa yeah!


Anonymous said...

For what? Because they're being instructed to do so by the Israeli-firsters. Simple.

Eamon Bejayzuz said...

Eamon Bejayzuz said; Sanctions, is it? Oh yeah. Do any of you recall the man Wilson, way back, speaking of his sanctions against Rhodesia? " It will take weeks rather than months" saith he. Well, it took fourteen years to finally destroy that country. More recently, on t.v. a British functionary talked down to a gent from Malaysia, assured him that Britain might "impose sanctions" if the wee gamboge lads didn't toe the line. Said yellow gent leaned forward, mentioned the trade figures, suggested that it remained be seen who would impose sanctions on who! A telling moment, I thought.

Anonymous said...

So what will be the Israeli reaction. Certainly closer ties with China. I think it will strengthen the case for attacking Iran, hoping they can do the same as in Iraq. But the demise of the petro dollar is a positive development. For my people, the English, it's not looking so good.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Daily mail article on the ever-persecuted schmutters, there is a little sidebar proudly proclaiming how Britain generously welcomed 90 000 of the fuckers.

How's that turning out for you, boys?

I don't know how many Lithuanian hosenoses were imported into South Afica in the thirties on scows like the Peru, but we paid the price in 1994.

Read your Covington, know the jew for what he is. A wrecker.


Anonymous said...

Ah ... anti semites. The gift that keeps on giving.

Go to the video in the sidebar for info on the loony who sprayed swastikas and antijoo slogans all over a jewish suburb in New York.

Everyone was up in arms ... till they discovered he was a jew.

Vhoops. Vell ... vhot do you know?

David Haddad: Jewish Agent Provocateur


ROTFLMAO said...

Gorillas in the Red Mist

Watch the vid at the bottom of the story to see them at their best!

Anonymous said...

It will be yet another war for Israel.

Willie "I'm in the closet" Hague in the UK is frantically banging the drum against Iran right now. He doesn't want his mossad handlers giving the photos to The Sun.

Anonymous said...

Slightly off topic Savant but could anyone here tell me how I might get in touch with Novak Djokovics' girlfriend?.

I feel sorry for the girl and I think she is wasting her life with that talentless Serb.


Anonymous said...

Even the idiots that run South Africa are running to Iran's "aid". They are also busy making deals with the UAE!

Anonymous said...

Shatter directly links the holocaust with Irish neutrality and portrays Ireland as morally bankrupt .He will pardon the deserters as they deserted and fought bravely for a moral cause.

The destruction of his government could be said to be a moral cause .What would he say if soldiers mutinied and staged a coup to prevent further money being paid to bondholders.Would he welcome his summary execution based on a moral interpretation of events by soldiers.?

Jeremy said...

Eamonnbejasus - that's exactly the point. The west doesn't realise that the game is up. Pathetic.

Jeremy said...

anon - I agree that things don't look good for England. Much of our difficulty stems from our slavish support from whatever incompetent/lunatic is currently running the show in the US.

We have nothing to gain and everything to lose by so actively supporting this insane sanctions move.

nemesis said...

I'd say right now there are many enterprising Israelis who are using the sanctions as a handy way to increase their level of business with Iran. While exploding with outrage if it emerged that the goyim were doing it.

Anonymous said...

The most significant in my view is the move by China to buy oil from the UAE using the renmimbi.

This may be bad for the U.S., but not necessarily in the way you think Savant.

What happens to the value of a currency when you don't spend it?

What happens to the real value of debt denominated in that currency?

Unlike most debtor nations, U.S. government debt is denominated in its own currency.

This move tightens the fiscal screws on the U.S.

This is deflationary.

The flipside is that it makes U.S. debt more precarious, long-term.

Perfect timing.

The U.S. will eventually be forced to monetize its debt, and holders of dollar-denominated debt will take a huge hit.

Including China.

But to China, some things are more important than money.

Anonymous said...

Fiscal Screws

When a country goes brown, it goes down.

SAVANT said...

anon 20.34. I agree. The US WILL moentize its debt. It's been doing that for a while. The difference this time is that the dollar will have faded as a reserve currency so running the printing presses will result in massive inflation and imports becoming drastically more expensive.

Bemused stare said...

SAVANT said...

anon 20.34. I agree. The US WILL moentize its debt. It's been doing that for a while. The difference this time is that the dollar will have faded as a reserve currency so running the printing presses will result in massive inflation and imports becoming drastically more expensive.

Might be good thing for the US in the long run. If they can't afford to buy rubbish made in China they might have to start making stuff themselves.

Anonymous said...

Not quite off topic ...

I watched the video (linked below) and realised that I was wrong.

I was under the impression that the ruling elite are afraid of the common ruck (us).

This is not the case. They are wide-eyed, gaping, hands-in-front-of-the-face, currying the underwear terrified.

Go here:-

Watch the cream** of Australia's policymakers shrieking in terror when a (very) few protesters pound on the shop window. Julia Gillard does a wonderful impersonation of a rat in the headlights.

Truly, the guilty flee where no man pursueth.


**They're white, and they've floated to the top, so I guess it's safe to call them the cream ...

Anonymous said...

If no one is ever charged with this that is what I think they will have seen to gave done to Emma West.

Metropolitan pets being more valuable than rustic people as you well know.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I was deeply gratified to see Gillard flee in panic. And from the downtrodden Abo's at that!

More please.

Anonymous said...

Aaah, sanctions.

The western world divided up rather nicely in the sixties when they imposed sanctions on South Africa.

It was neatly divided into those countries who saw an opportunity to open up previously closed markets there, and those who imposed sanctions very publicly -- and were there the next day, like a rat up a drain, to cut private under-the-counter deals.

The arms sanctions hurt like hell. Well they hurt the hell out of Britain anyway. ZA now had the chance to break away from the UK as a traditional arms supplier.
We could now dump our aging WWII vintage Brens, 25-pounders, Saracens and Vampires and start building a modern army.

Not to mention a weapons-design culture for the twenty-first century and a thriving home-grown arms industry.
The really funny thing? A few years back, the Poms ran low on SA** ammunition. South Africa offered an unlimited supply of quality 5.56mm and 7.62mm ... at a price of course.

Some rent-seeker in the UK kiboshed the deal saying that it was unthinkable that the UK should even contemplate buying (gasp) ammuniton -- bangy stuff from those Racisss White Devil Slave Massa Nutsi's.

The result? ZA ammunition with a failure rate in parts per million was passed over -- and the Poms bought their ammo from (wait for it) India and Pakistan ... failure rate between two and five percent

Now, the uninitiated may say what's wrong with a two percent failure rate? After all that's a 98% success rate, no?
Well, no. It means that when some zipperhead is unloading an AK at you, the last thing you want is a click where a bang should be ... one in twenty.

I remember reading that bad ammunition caused the death and injury of quite a few Brit troops in Afghanistan.

ZA sanctions worked wonders. For others.

KODAK left ... FUJI slid in. General Electric left ... Mitsubishi and half of Japan slid in ... as well as Taiwan. GM left ... Toyota, Nissan, thrived. Pepsi pulled out ... Coke did fine.

Should we even mention US oil sanctions of Japan in the thirties? That turned out well.

Uncle Nasty.

** Small Arms.

Bemused stare said...

Thanks yet again Uncle Nasty. That made my day. So lovely to see the reaction when they come face to face with a few of their pets that they want us to live with.

Anonymous said...

The reason the liberal establishment in Australia run away from that handful of aborigine protestors is obviously that liberals like to keep as far away from non-whites as possible. Liberals always live in all white areas and send their own kids to all white schools, so they will always run away when there is a danger of having to be in the same building as non-whites.

Bemused stare said...

UN, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't that little fiasco start off with the Brits pissing off the Germans? I seem to recall they wanted to go cheap which is not possible to do if you want German quality ammo. They then slid past us and ended up in Paki land and I seem to recall there was a rather embarrassing incident of 9mm para fizzling in crate reminiscent of event that often happens in mud blood fireworks factories.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the gloves are coming off. Signs of panic? Or signs of "We'll show you who's boss."

Children herded like cattle into Maryland courthouse for forced vaccinations as armed police and attack dogs stand guard.

By Mike Adams,

Following the State of Maryland's threats against parents who refuse to have their children vaccinated, children were herded into a Price George County courthouse being guarded by armed personnel with attack dogs.

Inside, the children were forcibly vaccinated, many against their will, under orders from the State Attorney General, various State Judges and the local School Board Director, all of whom illegally conspired to threaten parents with imprisonment if they did not submit their children to vaccinations.

Maryland, eh? Wasn't that once in the land of the free?


Bemused stare said...

Clearly these people are completely absent a shred of decency or intelligence.

If I encounter some twat with that on his car you might all hear off the event on the international news.

Anonymous said...

Regarding my previous post, please go here (if you are at all interested in things military) and see what bad military ammunition looks like ... and what it can do.

Light Machine Guns (LMG's) are usually manufactured to be six to ten times physically stronger and more robust than standard auto weapons ... because of the incredible pounding they take under adverse conditions.

It is almost impossible to actually blow one up with bad ammunition.


As one of the posters says: "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is."

Something the left would do well to learn.


Anonymous said...

Got this from a site that is not noticeably anti-hebe:-

Path to National Suicide
Whatever that path might be and whoever is taking it, at least in one respect Israel is not: Israel upholds citizenship bar for Palestinian spouses

Israel's Supreme Court has upheld a law banning Palestinians who marry Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship.

Civil rights groups had petitioned the court to overturn the law, saying it was unconstitutional.

"Human rights do not prescribe national suicide," Judge Asher Grunis wrote in the judgement. [emphasis added]
Note that, considering this issue, Judge Grunis appears to be sound on what exactly constitutes a nation, that is, it consists of a people, not anyone who can manage to get to a physical location.

In other developments, Israel is pulling out all the stops in its effort to deport illegal immigrants.


The efforts include what we here stateside might call racial profiling. Prime Minister Netanyahu supports the new laws, and he's characterized the influx of non-Jewish immigrants as an existential threat to Israel. He's an intelligent man - supposedly with an IQ of 180, making him perhaps the smartest world leader since Frederick the Great

- but the key point is that he appears to be allowed to say things like that because of the absence of certain restraints. While there are indeed people in Israel who want the country to refrain from expelling the illegals, another, perhaps widespread attitude is the following:

"Go to south Tel Aviv and you'll see people there living in fear," Cohen said. "Anyone who wants to steal a wallet from a person, or a box of goods from a store or a bike from a private garden just does whatever he wants. If we don't put an end to this, the issue will not stop."

One wonders also whether Israel got serious on this issue because the new arrivals are Africans.

Don't do what we do ... do what we say. Wonder if Netenyahu ever met Barbara Lerner Specter?

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

I am not that fond of Theo Spark's website. I regard it as a neocon fake .. but every now and then ...

SCroll to the video "The Money Masters." It's long, yes, but it's gold.

In fact, if you can download and keep it, do so. Show it to everyone. Your kids will thank you.


Andreas said...

Spent the last three hours watching "The Money Masters". Fact. Rivetting. As you say Uncle Nasty, you never look at things the same again.

Wolfie Kristol-Pearlfeld-Shitter said...

Loads of lazy, ungrateful, young Irish people are leaving their homeland, but, don't worry, there are plenty of lovely, vibrant Africans arriving to take their place.

Vote Fine Gael!
Vote for race replacement!

F McCool said...

@Wolfie - that's all part of the PLAN. A dumbed down 'diverse' population will be easily controlled and exploited.

Mayoman said...

Savant gets an honourable mention in the comments here....

Thor said...

Mayoman - I can't see any reference to our dear Savant on that link?

Nobby Smiles said...

Thor 16.53
Go down to the first post on the thread by 'Manxman' and click on '33 replies', then scroll down to near the end of the thread to the end of the third post and then the fourth post by 'Colonel Phew' and the reply by 'Micheal Collins'. Savant is referred to and linked on those posts.

Hope that helps.

Thor said...

Thanks Nobby. Got it.

As one subsequent poot it, Mr. Savant's enthusiasm for the Tribe seems to have declined since the original post.

lmfao said...

Jewish man gets caught red handed spraying anti-Jewish hate messages in New York

Anonymous said...

Bemused stare said...

UN, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't that little fiasco start off with the Brits pissing off the Germans? I seem to recall they wanted to go cheap which is not possible to do if you want German quality ammo. They then slid past us and ended up in Paki land and I seem to recall there was a rather embarrassing incident of 9mm para fizzling in crate reminiscent of event that often happens in mud blood fireworks factories.

Bemused Stare (I refuse to contract it to BS) you obviously have a more in-depth knowledge of the events than I. If you have more detail, please post. What happens is that I see something and it sticks in the mind.

I am always interested in this sort of stuff.

Military Intelligence ... my sweet patootie.

Speaking of sticking in the mind, I will never forget some blooper newsreel footage of a Brit Defense Ministry hanger-on doing a quick video opportunity by firing a mortar. This was at least twenty years ago.

This knucklehead was -- I am not joking -- about to drop a mortar round upside down into the tube when an offscreen hand tapped him on the shoulder. He paused, obviously listening, then did it the correct way.


It takes a very special kind of talent to do that. It was then, that I fully realised the disconnect between politicians and the rest of us ...


I will try and find the clip.

Anonymous said...

Charles Manson for president! lol
Charles Manson provides insight into the Jewish mentality

Anonymous said...

An excellent point is made here:-

One of Richardson's commenters adds:

Those photos are amazing. How laughably obvious that "equal" women still have to cower in the grasp of strong men for protection.

A thin blue line of men willing to do brutal things is all that protects the matriarchy from the barbarians. When those men go on strike, that house of cards will be over.

The commenter is exactly right. If the police forces of the West declared to the feminist multiculturalist elites of liberal society: "You constantly cast aspersions on white men, on the masculine strength and authority of white men. But when your own safety is a concern, you turn automatically to those same white men, expecting us to be there for you. So we're not playing the game any more. If you want the protection that only we can give you, stop diminishing and degrading us. If you want your pretty heads to remain connected to your bodies, acknowledge that YOUR liberal order and YOUR lives depend on us, and start acting accordingly."

Of course they will never say this. But if they did, it would transform the entire situation.

* * *

I have not seen any story showing or describing the violent threat that the Prime Minister and her party were fleeing. Were the protesters rushing the Prime Minister's party? Were rocks being thrown? What necessitated Gillard's helpless posture and expression of the damsel in distress? It appears to be pure instinct. She felt threatened and distraught, and leaned with with distraught face and vulnerable posture against a strong man.

And what about Tony Abbott, the leader of the Opposition party, who was also at the event? Did he, while leaving the restaurant, lean with distraught face and helpless posture into the arms of a security guard? Tell me if you find any pictures of that.

UPDATE: guess what? As Carol Iannone points out, the man at the extreme right of the first picture above, with light blue tie and white shirt, is unquestionably Tony Abbot, as you can see from his photograph at Wikipedia:

Strange that ... the wolves (or more correctly, the jackals) being protected by the sheepdogs, from the sheep.

The left (not all, but a sigificant amount) are perfectly aware of just how fragile their hold is ... and it frightens the poo-poo out of them.

Uncle Nasty

Bemused stare said...

UN, this shindig happened a good while ago. As I recall, our Brit friends had a standing contract to have their 9mm para supplied from Germany.Some wiseguy got in a snit and decided to poke them in the eye by cancelling. The long and short of it was that they eventually took the Paki route and of all people to have the bundle of joy that cooked of in its case in hand so to speak? None other than a unit of the SAS. Needless to say a shitstorm erupted given that they of all people do the jobs where you can not afford to work with crap.

Anonymous said...

I sometimes wonder if we are the most supine generation that ever lived ...

Canadian Resources Minister: Soros ordered pipeline blocked.

Except for a small well financed minority of the far-left, Americans overwhelmingly support the Keystone pipeline expansion.

Canadian Resources Minister Joe Oliver says Barack Obama blocked the pipeline deal on behalf of radical left-wing Billionaire George (Soros).
Soros has pumped millions into American far-left groups, many of which used some of his money to campaign for Barack Obama.

Barack Obama vetoed a major oil pipeline deal that would have brought thousands of new jobs and decreased our oil dependency on the Middle East. Obama is ensuring that unemployment stays high, gas prices climb, and America keeps sending tens of billions to Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela. The so-called “environmental concerns” are completely unfounded.

The liberal Washington Post called Obama’s veto “an act of national insanity.” Liberal TIME magazine attacked Obama and said the veto means Canadian oil will go to China and Americans will continue buying oil from Saudi Arabia.

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver recently blamed billionaire agitator George Soros, who funds extreme left-wing causes in North America, Europe, and Central Asia. He also fingered the US based Tides Foundation.

The Tides Foundation is a left-wing not for profit with a budget in the hundreds of millions. They are most known for promoting the global warming hoax.

The traitors are among us, around us and within us. When will we act?

Read the books.


Anonymous said...

I still work on the principle that all that loot has not evaporated.

It has gone somewhere, and it is being kept somewhere.

All we need in the forthcoming fog of war is to find out where ... then take it back. With prejudice.

Extreme if necessary.

Is that so complicated?

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Seriously, back in 1913, who would have thunk that the War To End Wars (seriously) would start in some fartarse little town called Sarajevo.

What possibiltiy that WW III could begin in Athens, maybe?

January 28, 2012

Spearheaded by Berlin, the Troika engaged in overseeing Greek debt management effectively cut out the possibility of a disorderly default late yesterday. In a strongly-worded proposal circulated to EU finance ministers, a German proposal called for Greece to cede sovereignty while all Greek State income to go first to creditors – by law. This is, basically, the takeover of a sovereign EU member State in order to calm markets and protect exposed banks in the eurozone and elsewhere.

Judging by the Greek media I’ve been scanning so far this morning, the average Greek has no idea as yet that the Troika of credit managers is effectively taking over the country. Needless to say, the BBC hasn’t got it, neither has Sky News. But reports are firming up and beginning to appear in German media, where headlines like ‘Greece asked to give up sovereign control’ are running. The FT has also obtained a copy of the German ‘recommendation’.

The writing was on the wall yesterday when Christine Lagarde gave a pretty testy interview to Bloomberg, saying bluntly “Greek progress on budgets and reform is simply unsatisfactory”. She talked of “putting together a programme for the country” although there was no sign at this point that it would literally be done ‘for’ the Greeks, not by them.

Last night, Athens News had a piece saying that ‘the threat of disorderly default is now concentrating minds across the EU’, but again there was no specific mention of a sovereign handover. But when she spoke with Bloomberg, we can be almost certain that Lagarde knew what was coming: EU finance ministers had already seen Berlin’s proposal.

and here's a coincidence ...

Consider: the Greek GDP in 2011 was $312bn dollars. At the end of that year, it had outstanding sovereign debt commitments of £410bn. Was it really beyond M. Trichet’s abilities to notice that? Well, the answer to that question is, “maybe”…..because someone had been helping the previous Greek administration disguise the debt mountain in the national accounts. And that company was Goldman Sachs. The Greek PM Lucas Papademos used to work for Goldman Sachs. The Italian PM Mario Monti used to work for Goldman Sachs. The ECB Head Mario Draghi used to work for Goldman Sachs. This year the senior directors at Goldman Sachs shared a $12bn bonus pool. Goldman Sachs has never been indicted for the seminar it gave, in Athens in 2006, on the subject of lying to Brussels and the ECB. What do Goldman Sachs people have that the Greek people don’t have?

Silly question, purely rhetorical.

I had a few Greek buddies in ZA. The Greeks can be described as ... volatile. You do not piss them off.

Ask the Wehrmacht paratroops who invaded Crete in 1941.


Bemused stare said...

Sav, here's a nice tidbit you might consider for a future post. Assuming your head doesn't actually explode.

Apparently it's now ok to put up billboard ads for what literally amounts to anti white hate speech. Anyone want to bet on whether the stats in the next 2 months show a rise in attacks on our people there as now even the mayors office is in on the game?

m said...

Bemused stare - one comment on that video said it well.

"It's liberal dumb shits like him that need dropped off in the HOOD in the middle of the night, then and only then will they learn first hand who the real racist are. As he sits there in his little fantasy land pretending whites are the problem, Liberals are the problem and they need to be delt with. And I have to point out, it's pretty easy to spot a Liberal, they always look weak & often look Gay"

Croesus said...

All we need in the forthcoming fog of war is to find out where ... then take it back. With prejudice.

UN - I don't think it's that simple. There's not a huge mound of 'money' hidden somewhere that's there to be recovered from the gangsters. I'd say 90% of it is in electronic form with a maze of measures to keep it's true ownership hidden.

RegThe Hedge said...


RegThe Hedge said...

The money doesn't exist.
Say a new bloke comes into town and he convinces everybody he's wealthy. He then proceeds to buy everthing in town by writing I.O.U. notes. After a period it is discovered he is a pauper and the I.O.U. notes aren't worth anything.
If you lived in the town Uncle Nasty, would you search his house for the pot of gold after he was thrown in prison?

whitevanman said...

Unfortunately Reg I think you're 100% right.

Shaunantijihad said...

Nice song and video, "Anti-Racist is a codeword for anti-White"

yossarian said...

Thanks for the link to that tune Shaun. In fact I've seen references to this elsewhere and I feel we should all spread the word.

ironman said...

There is a post on this theme on Infowars

F McCool said...

And Sean Moncrief talking about the 17 Arab terorists who did 911 and being all shocked on being told that blacks were still called racist insults. Fucking retards.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for responding, Croesus and Reg, but how is this for a compromise?

When you, an ordinary person, fall behind in debt repayment, the bailiffs call, with a clipboard.

They wander through your home, totting up things of value, until they arrive at a fair assessment (for them, anyway) of articles of value equal to the debt.

They take the articles and sell them off. That seems to work for them.

When the polite requests have been used up, one gets further with a kind word and garden shears than with a kind word alone ... and a lot of people are running out of polite.

In Greece, say.

Seriously -- who, among the newly homeless, starving and bankrupt, would miss an opportunity to put the electric soldering iron up the left nostril of Mr Goldman ... or Mr Sachs?


Anonymous said...

Who runs American politics?

There is the answer.

Anonymous said...

Uncle Nasty - I think you may be getting a bit carried away with the arms sanctions vs British military equipment. Im not disagreeing with the general point you are making about sanctions, Im just not sure the examples you gace are the best ones.

Vampires were already on the way out of SA service before military sanctions started, as they were everywhere. And they had already been out of production for years. No great damaging loss to British sales there. The Rhodesians were happy to take them on from SAF and found them fine for bombing their insurgents.

25 pounders - Ive never heard anyone denigrate them as a weapon per se, they had been out of production for years by the time sanctions applied, so again no great economic damage to Britain. They were largely out of regular use by the time sanctions applied. And again the Rhodesians used them to good effect right through to 1980.

Bren gun - again no longer in production and Im not aware of any quality issue. The British army used 7.62 BRENs in the Falklands for example. Maintaining BRENs was well within SA capability and had been for years regardless of sanctions. For example SA BRENs were upgraded to 7,62 around the time of sanctions but then passed onto Rhodesia. If there WW2 vintage was the issue then why upgrade at all?

Saracens - out of production for years before sanctions started and SA had no trouble modifying/maintaining their Saracen fleet without British support.

Of the four weapons you mentioned only two are WW2 vintage and all were coming to the end of their primary use everywhere else anyway.

And for fighting off black insurgents, hell, what do you need? WW2 planes, Sherman tanks, BREN's, 25 pdrs and Lee-Enfields would be enough in the hands of a white army.

Rhodesia showed that with even minimal logistical support from outside military defeat could have been averted.

Even more so with SA and its greater industry.

Sadly, in the case of Rhodesia sanctions (along with everything else) worked. Lets face it even SA paid lip service to sanctions on Rhodesia and was careful not to be caught being too supportive. We can see now that was waste of time.

Anonymous said...

The earlier talk about dodgy 7.62mm and 9mm.

Id not heard that but I do know the MoD started buying soviet style 12.7mm to use in .50 cal MGs for use in Afghanistan. Of course it was always jamming, something only to be tried if there is no alternative, not just as a cost cutting measure.

Of course if they really wanted to go down that route they should have gone all the way and bought 12.7mm MGs, but of course they wouldnt do that, because then they wouldnt be NATO compatible. The main purpose of compatibility in this case being the use of ammunition and the logistical issues behind it. But of course buying 12.7mm negates that - but not if you are stupid bureaucrat or politician.

Anonymous said...

Seriously -- who, among the newly homeless, starving and bankrupt, would miss an opportunity to put the electric soldering iron up the left nostril of Mr Goldman ... or Mr Sachs?

Note to self: When naming a bank after yourself, first change your name to Douglas.

Anonymous said...

Anonny of 30 January 2012 02:47

You make a great deal of excellent points. Enough to make me realise that I wandered clean off my topic and into the foggy realms of conjecture. Always dodgy territory.

That'll teach me.

In retrospect, I think my point was that in having arms embargoes applied to us ... we were forced to abandon the warm and fuzzy hope that the west maintained the agenda that we had all started with ... and strike out on our own ... getting rid of historical baggage.

That, I think we got right. What we got wrong is that we trusted the turncoat politicians (is there any other kind?) that finally betrayed us.

That, and our own political naivete, of course.


PS. Take a lesson from that, Ireland.

Anonymous said...

Might be a good time to begin to roll-back the extremely stupid Iran-punishment-laws recently put on the books. The USA’s got to stop acting as king-of-the-mountain — if it wants to stay even in the foothills. Hope the republicans learn sense in time, but you cannot depend on ideologues to learn sense. They act faith-based and ideology-based, not sense-based.

great white said...

@anon 22.54. Only some of them (Republicans) are ideology-based. Most of them know the score, IMHO.

Anonymous said...

Off-topic, admittedly, but ...

How's that ol' Global Warming going for you?

Oh. Wait. That one sort of fell on its arse ... it's now Climate Change. I wonder what it will morph into in a few years from now.

Interestingly enough, embedded in the article is this little gem:-

"... Child protection officers in the city of Iasi took three girls into care after a four-month-old baby died in an unheated house where temperatures dipped as low as minus 20C (minus 4 F)."

Nice to see proof-reading skills -- as well as basic scientific literacy or fact-checking, among journalists -- are not dead.

These are the ones whose job is to inform us.


northern athiest said...

Uncle. I've been noticing that too. It's now Climate Change. (Capital Cs). Well that would have covered the predications they made in the seventies that we were on the verge of a new Ice Age.