Friday, 8 October 2010

The positives of the Wilders trial


Randall Parker over at Parapundit has organised a multi-blog posting day on behalf of Geert Wilders. That was yesterday - I missed out I'm afraid, but better late than never.

I have a slightly different take compared to most others in that I think the trial is a good thing. I say this because first it throws up a number of glaring paradoxes:

1: A a man constantly surrounded by security guards to protect him from Muslim assassins is the one on trial for his supposed crimes against Muslims

2: The Dutch government is actually trying to imprison the leader of the main opposition party

Is that un-Dutch or what?

Then the trial will give Wilders a superb platform to highlight, in front of the international media, the full horrors of the Koran and what passes for life under the Religion of Peace. Unless the courts move strongly to interdict him, which will exacerbate the paradoxes I referred to above, he has the stage to himself.

And in a worse case scenario which sees him convicted and jailed.... well what sort of a reaction do you think there'll be to that in tolerant, open, liberal Holland?

All in all, far more positives than negatives methinks!

26 comments:

Dave C said...

Even better he has chosen to remain silent.


http://www.wikio.com/video/wilders-remain-silent-speech-subtitles-4th-4226396

Bemused stare said...

Played right, this could prove to be a turning point in people's thinking. Hopefully this case will open a lot of eyes to the realities of today.

Anonymous said...

I understand that, on advice of counsel, Wilders has "taken the 5th". Not sure why.

Anonymous said...

He's taken the 5th? WTF? Why would he do that?

Magnum said...

I'm not expert on Wilders but I have heard of him before, and from what he says I can see that he is right about many things. The death threats and now this trial only prove how much influence Muslims have in Europe and how retarded our politicians are in not dealing with them appropriately.

However, all the media exposure will probably be a good thing for his cause and I only hope more and more people will support him.

not-me said...

"Freedom of speech means freedom to say what you want, even if others find it distasteful, offensive or cruel."

Not really shouting "FIRE" in a cinema; slander, cursing and threats are illegal in different forms. So your right to slander, curse and threaten somebody is really very limited. Your "free speech" stops right where the right of your neighbour starts. (Or the government's)

Anonymous said...

"Freedom of speech means freedom to say what you want, even if others find it distasteful, offensive or cruel."

Not in this sad world.

Freedom of speech -- and this is the one that terrifies the left -- is the freedom to tell the truth even if others find it distasteful, offensive or cruel."

Anonymous said...

Sorry about that ... should have signed the last one.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Krokodil said...

Sad to see Holland steadily sink under the quagmire of liberal fascism.

I'm not gonna hold my breath about a positive outcome to this trial (though would be glad to be proved wrong).

Do the ruling elites of Holland (or elsewhere in Europe) really believe that a peaceful accommodation with Islam is possible - many individual Muslims are good people, but I refer in general to the religion - could they be that naive, or is there a more sinister agenda?

Each to their own, I say - but do it in your own place and space.

St. Cyr said...

@Krokidil - I have asked myself that question 1000 times. I just do not know what motivates these people.

Californian said...

It's simply one more surrender, but then again, Europe has been collapsing in the face of third world militancy ever since it abandoned its colonies. Europeans seem to think that somehow they can come to an accommodation by tossing another person to the wolves.

reveal1970 said...

What if Geert Wilders is convicted and the Dutch population remains docile?
Would that not then set a precedent for the future.

Lets face it westerners living under oppressive regimes be it the Nazis, Stalin or a particularly brutish king have always respond in the same way, they have hunkered down and muddled through the best way they can, they basically have put up with.

The exceptions are the French revolution, the English Civil war, the Spanish / American civil wars, in these conflicts ideology was the catalyst.
Western Peoples seem to buy into
ideologies like there is no tomorrow. Take religions for example they are all obviously bullshit but that doesn't stop people heading to church on a Sunday.

The rule of thumb seems to be the more ridiculous the ideology the more the enthusiasm for it. Multiculturalism is case in point.

Todays "Nationalism" for a better word is based largely on logic and reason it does not have the same religious pull of a belief system such as the leftist egalitarianism.

This is where I feel we are falling short, we seem to be so fragmented and adrift our aims are everywhere between Geert and his none racist anti Islam freedom party to the Hungarian extreme right Jobbik party we have no definitive ideology.

Anonymous said...

Reveal1970 says "Todays "Nationalism" for a better word is based largely on logic and reason it does not have the same religious pull of a belief system such as the leftist egalitarianism."

And why is that????

Europeans are losing the moral beliefs and habits that created and sustained them for thousands of years because the Jews, as part of their competitive evolutionary aim to destroy the Europeans, have deliberately undermined the European moral system and made the Europeans feel guilty about themselves and so ready to destroy themselves in a fit of altruistic guilt toward non-Europeans.

pretzel logic said...

Oh God - here we go again: blame the Jews for everything! Realize guys that we need the Jews on our side if we're to repel the hordes of blacks, hispanics and ragheads that threaten to swamp us. The fact that Jews WERE influential in supporting open immigration doesn't mean they'll CONTINUE to be like that.

We need firends, not more enemies.

kulak said...

Realize guys that we need the Jews on our side

When you're ready Neo, you won't HAVE to dodge Jew bullets.

Jews are like women. The more you NEED one, the harder is to get one.

They fucked us over, but whites let 'em. They're enemies, but not the problem.

Walk like a man, my son.

Oooh-we-ooh-we-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh.

Bemused stare said...

pretzel logic

With friends like that, who would need enemies. No offense intended, but you are either joking or amazingly naive.

Anonymous said...

kulak and BS. You haven't really countered pretsel logic's suggestion other than by name calling. Fact is huge numbers of prominent Jews are now in opposition to mass immigration.

Bemused stare said...

Anon 10:38

What would you like me to provide, anon. Would a quick history lesson on the last century or so of South African history do?

Anonymous said...

I think you are incredibly niave if you think that justice and the west and free speech will prevail. this is human sacriice and if it was you being sacrificed you wouldnt find it so noble and wothwhile. count on the Dutch and the west to do nothing because there is a media black out,
okay - its all about dana and her botox.
I was arrested for speaking out and two foriegn nationals had me convicted and the noble jury found me guilty amd mow I am a criminal and I did less then Wilder. oh and get this- No one stood up for me
that is how it is going down.

kulak said...

@anon

I protest! I didn't call any names.

Fact is huge numbers of prominent Jews are now in opposition to mass immigration.

Where where they when we NEEDED them? :))

I'm not opposed to mass immigration.

America is a nation of immigrants.

White immigrants, that is.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with anon @23:09 though. He sounds to me like a feminist whiner, with Jews serving the role of "patriarchy". SAME goddamn blueprint, which anyone with at least half of a brain oughhta EXPECT with Jews heading or backing Nazi orgs.

Look, all I'm saying is do not fucking WORRY about it. Jews play every angle, so it is INEVITABLE that some will seek alliance, for their own reasons, even if it's for no better reason than to spite some other Jew.

As I said, Jews are like women. Do not whine, and do not pine.

You'll get your pick, on your terms.

pissedoff said...

anon 15.12. That's a truly shocking story. I presume that this was in Holland?

kulak said...

Fact is huge numbers of prominent Jews are now in opposition to mass immigration.

Just a quick followup on this.

The cynical take is that if Jews are opposing mass immigration, then probably a whole lotta whites will soon need to emigrate from someplace. Like South Africa or Zimbabwe.

Trust NO aracial formulae or arguments.

Don't Jews say they got hosed by one (more than one actually) last century?

kulak said...

Fact is huge numbers of prominent Jews are now in opposition to mass immigration.

Just a quick followup on this.

The cynical take is that if Jews are opposing mass immigration, then probably a whole lotta whites will soon need to emigrate from someplace. Like South Africa or Zimbabwe.

Trust NO aracial formulae or arguments.

Don't Jews say they got hosed by one (more than one actually) last century?

Anonymous said...

The problem with these show trials is that the jury will be instructed that jury nullification is not allowed or that they are only allowed to judge some very narrow issue. Then, like sheep, they will give the verdict the state wants.

Hopefully, there are men with balls in Holland who understand what a guilty verdict means to the future of the country and do something about it.

Anonymous said...

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2010/10/geert-wilders-close-to-exoneration

Pipes is the man. And Jewish.

Anonymous said...

"We will go to the United Nations Committee for Human Rights in Geneva. The suit will be directed against the government of the Netherlands for not protecting ethnic minorities against racism and discrimination." It is also possible that the plaintiffs will continue their campaign to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.

Europe has a Court of HumanRights unlike Asia.