Sunday, 31 October 2010

One of the things I love about this blog is the comments. Almost all have something definite to say, and humour is never far distant (Uncle Nasty, take a special bow!). Interestingly, the ratio of comments to readership is very high, always a good sign of a blog.

One thing though is that our PC ‘enemies’ seem to have, over time, been driven off the reservation. This is a pity really because I really enjoy a good give an’ take. But a recent series of posts from a reader opened up a different possibility: That these ‘enemies’ might have been in fact converted, not driven off.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present rebelliousvanilla. She’s commented on a range of posts including this, this, and this, and also many on the Nordic countries.

On the latter she has makes the following pithy response to some of our best known commentators:(Emphasis added by me).

"Zngr, the fact that if Finland and Denmark fix their issues the immigrants move to Sweden is actually good. It puts pressure on the Swedish politicians to act, not only because the enrichers move to Sweden, but also because the Swedes see the benefits in the two other countries.And to people who think Marxism lost the Cold War, you are kidding yourselves. The present day Westerners think along Marxism lines by a far bigger margin than people in my country do and we were officially a Marxist country."


"kulak, I'm a 20 years old girl who was a liberal on social issues merely 1.5 years ago. My favourite cartoon as a child was Captain Planet - now I hate greenies with a passion. LOL. Right now, I hold views that are against even what most conservatives see as fair(I dislike democracy with universal suffrage and civic nationality, I think we shouldn't vote - we being women, I'm in favour of national service for men, I think we should strip all non-Europeans in Europe of their citizenship and 'oppress' them).

A year ago I would have hated myself for these views. But the more contact I have with all this stuff, the worse it gets. At least in my country people aren't brainwashed and they're easy to convert to my views. I convinced a girl in under 2 hours that I'm right. And I do care about things related to having children"

So here we have a 20 year old girl, from a former Communist country, who had drunk of the PC multicult KoolAid, and who has had reality suddenly restored, presumably by direct exposure to that particular environment. Additionally, she has been able to convert friends to reality in quick order - as have I, I might add. Only yesterday I was speaking to a died-in-the-wool liberal/progressive who revealed by his comments that he was rapidly swinging around to the correct viewpoint - i.e. mine!

So there's hope out there. Thank you Miss Vanilla!

46 comments:

Clogheen said...

Praise the Lord! There IS hope as you say. I feel better already on this raint sunday morning!

Anonymous said...

There is hope and change, LOL.
But seriously I believe the future will encompas a backlash.
It is simply a historical fact that it will occur.
The pendulum swings both ways.
This foolishness we are seeing is all built on a foundation of LIES and deceit.
It will crumble easily soon.
The truth is power, it never lies.

rebelliousvanilla said...

I'd like to point out a huge difference in between me and most Westerners. Here if I say that I'm proud of who I am, I won't be called racist. Actually, the whole concept of racism is bogus around here except in the realm of NGOs and other groups like that. We have problems that we think all that is Western is all sugar and spice and all things nice, so we import a lot of the Western policies. I'm always baffled when politicians say that Western European countries did X and so we should do it too.

Still, the way people think here isn't as wrapped up in stupid constructs rammed into them since early age - this is why I can convince people of the fact that I am indeed right in quite a brief time, while it takes me a longer time to do this with Westerners.

The biggest benefit of communism(and it's weird that I think it had benefits) is that people here completely distrust the political class. We don't see them as our representatives, but as our rulers. In the same time, we distrust the mass-media to a certain extent and we got good at spotting wooden language when we see it and spotting propaganda. The usual reaction to it around here is to laugh at it and be cynical(anybody who knows jokes about communism, probably knows what I'm talking about).

On the other hand, despite being a Marxist country, we didn't relly get into the cultural Marxism bit. Sure, we destroyed religion, tradition, the family, but we never got into the we are all equal nonsense. Being poor also makes it quite a lot more obvious when your little income is being redistributed. lol

I'd like to point out that I was always against multiculturalism because I believed in the supremacy of my views. But I was pro-equal rights, I wasn't against interracial marriage, I didn't mind immigration if they adopted our European 'enlightened' views and I didn't believe blacks are different than us. I was in the band that it's all education and culture and that there are no heritable differences. An year ago, I actually argued that women should be able to walk around topless because men can and that breasts aren't sexual despite knowing that I'm wrong. Well, a typical female trait that I have - vanity, helped me made my views be in tune with reality. I loathe being wrong, so meh.

What's disheartening though is that all our problems are a matter of will. If we wanted to, we could solve them all and as we ruled the world a century ago, we could do it again - if we wanted to. I find quite pathetic that Westerners have this inferiority complex and it's sort of explained in Eastern Europeans and Germans. As a member of the former, I can assess the huge damages done by killing people who had a logical process in their mind, starvation and degradation of what it means to be human. For the Germans, I can understand that having millions of your women raped by the Soviets, being starved by the Americans and having your country split in two isn't something that is going to make you confident in yourself, especially since you're demonized for who you are. But the rest of the world?! Holy heck. Anyway, as I said, we could solve anything if we wanted to. But for this, we need to pull our heads out of our collective asses. I'm confident that we, white people will be able to recover even if we get to being 5% of the world population if we drop idiotic concepts like the universal human, egalitarianism or individualism(I don't mind individualism if its the kind we had until the 19th century, but a group should always ostracize and shame people who hurt it; right now we have too much of it, especially in the realm of social views). If we acted like a group, for our own interest we would prevail - and this is a lot of faith that I'm giving to white men considering the way they act right now.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Also, here we have a sense of peoplehood, that isn't completely lost in Europe, but that is non-existant in America. The country in the worst shape in Europe, by my assessment is the UK. In the UK, even the white people that I met have been so completely degraded. In France, I met quite a few of proud Frenchmen that don't really consider their immigrants to be French. In Europe, we still have a sense of a distinct identity. In the US, if I talk to an American and ask him to define to me what does it mean to be American, he can't really say what it does and would find it cruel and racist to consider blacks as not being American.

I'm completely positive that we could turn the tide around. The only problem is one of will. I'd like to remind you that we, as Europeans, are the best at unleashing unfettered carnage and slaughter and at waging war. My countrymen creamed the Ottomans so many times, in some battles while being outnumbered ten to one(ok, we also did impale all the Muslims we could find and ruined their morale :P). Remember Mogadishu? The US Delta Force troops killed over a thousand Somalis while sustaining only 19 casualties. So we are the best at waging war and we are the best at organizing societies. We just need the will. And I believe the will will come when all our economies will collapse. We will have nothing left to lose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZzwv44EZJ0
Also, I'd have to say that as a country, we have a low tolerance for this BS. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this on the news. Oh, and Gypsies are Romanian citizens. But unlike Americans, we don't consider our minorities to be Romanians. It's a completely different thing.

Savant, here's a blog you might like too:
http://conswede.blogspot.com/

Anyway, one of our biggest problems aren't really the nonwhites or Muslims. The problems are the whites who support them and their integration. As someone who is against feminism, I interracted with quite a lot of MRAs. The biggest problem they have is that they don't want a return to sanity where men take decisions, fight wars and create the society. They just want to be equal to women. As a woman, I abhor being equal to men. Sure, I want my actions to be considered and not be treated like Muslims treat their women and most women are like this, instinctually. We don't want to be another captain of the ship, we want to be first officers and be treated as such. So we need to be people centric, not idea centric. This is the problem that we really have. For instance, electing our representatives in Parliament is good. Giving voting rights to outsiders though is insane. We need to implement ideas in a way the benefits us and only as such. It's the same with freedom, actually.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Also, here we have a sense of peoplehood, that isn't completely lost in Europe, but that is non-existant in America. The country in the worst shape in Europe, by my assessment is the UK. In the UK, even the white people that I met have been so completely degraded. In France, I met quite a few of proud Frenchmen that don't really consider their immigrants to be French. In Europe, we still have a sense of a distinct identity. In the US, if I talk to an American and ask him to define to me what does it mean to be American, he can't really say what it does and would find it cruel and racist to consider blacks as not being American.

I'm completely positive that we could turn the tide around. The only problem is one of will. I'd like to remind you that we, as Europeans, are the best at unleashing unfettered carnage and slaughter and at waging war. My countrymen creamed the Ottomans so many times, in some battles while being outnumbered ten to one(ok, we also did impale all the Muslims we could find and ruined their morale :P). Remember Mogadishu? The US Delta Force troops killed over a thousand Somalis while sustaining only 19 casualties. So we are the best at waging war and we are the best at organizing societies. We just need the will. And I believe the will will come when all our economies will collapse. We will have nothing left to lose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZzwv44EZJ0
Also, I'd have to say that as a country, we have a low tolerance for this BS. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this on the news. Oh, and Gypsies are Romanian citizens. But unlike Americans, we don't consider our minorities to be Romanians. It's a completely different thing.

Savant, here's a blog you might like too:
http://conswede.blogspot.com/

Anyway, one of our biggest problems aren't really the nonwhites or Muslims. The problems are the whites who support them and their integration. As someone who is against feminism, I interracted with quite a lot of MRAs. The biggest problem they have is that they don't want a return to sanity where men take decisions, fight wars and create the society. They just want to be equal to women. As a woman, I abhor being equal to men. Sure, I want my actions to be considered and not be treated like Muslims treat their women and most women are like this, instinctually. We don't want to be another captain of the ship, we want to be first officers and be treated as such. So we need to be people centric, not idea centric. This is the problem that we really have. For instance, electing our representatives in Parliament is good. Giving voting rights to outsiders though is insane. We need to implement ideas in a way the benefits us and only as such. It's the same with freedom, actually.

tired ole white guy said...

Great stuff here vanilla. Tell me one thing if you may, what country are you from?

Anonymous said...

Interesting. Now let's get to work on that other straw man of the "new right". "Moderate" Muslims and "extremist" or "Islamist" Muslims.

1. All "moderate" Muslims must follow Mohammed's life example.

2. Mohammed, according to the Qur'an, Hadith and Sunna, was a warlord, murderer, thief, torturer, rapist, paedophile and slave trader. Was Mo a "moderate" or "extremist" Muslim?

3. It does not take a majority of "Islamists" to make a country subject to the various delicacies of Shari'ah. All that is required is enough ordinary, everyday, run-of-the-mill... Muslims. Or are all the people following Shari'ah law in the UK "Islamists"? Are all those hordes in Pakistan "Islamists"? That's why every Muslim country is based to some extent on Shari'ah, because of that vast majority of "moderate" Muslims, not that "tiny minority of extremists TM".

shaunantijihad

Anonymous said...

@ Tired old white guy. I'm guessing she's from Romania. The clues are to be found in the text -"But unlike Americans, we don't consider our minorities to be Romanians. It's a completely different thing." Plus the reference to Vlad the Impaler earlier on.

Rob said...

Talking about converting the unenlightened, I see Fintan O'Toole says in his latest column in the Irish Times: "There's this guy on the Web called Irish Savant and you know I'm beginning to come round to his opinion..."
OK, only joking - sorry!

SAVANT said...

Rob - believe it or not I know Fintan slightly. Not, I hasten to add as the Irish Savant! In my view his opinions are changing slightly in our direction. Not publicly (yet?) as he's trapped into his own niche. Could be related to the fact that he lives (or at least did when I knew him) in the south inner city. As we know this has become soooooo diverse in recent times. Could be Fintan's being getting a tatste of real diversity rather than the lala land kind.

here's hoping.

SAVANT said...

Well spotted anon 15.29. I do know that 'ordinary' Roumanians are totally pissed off by being synonumised (is there such a word?) with gypsies. I'd say they had their own practical way of dealing with them in the past, methods which are now prohibited by the EU. Of course now we must 'celebrate' gypsy 'culture' LOL.

tsnamm said...

I agree with the comment that Americans don't know what it means to be an "American"...back in the beginning of the 20th century they did. There was an "American" culture. However in the ensuing 100 years, and especially in the last 40,post WW2 era, the concept of what it is to be an "American" has been degraded into any immigrant is an "American". And since 99% of these immigrants since the immigration reform act of the 1960's has been from some 3rd world pest hole,and thru the takeover of education in the US by multicultural PC indoctrination, the definition of "American" is now meaningless. The main problem in the West generally and the US in particular is the 2 pronged approach of unlimited 3rd world immigration, along with PC indoctrination of the "native" populations (i.e. white people). This along with the ubiquitous welfare state has led to the sorry state of affairs for the West. Since the mainstream media in the West is completely dominated by those Kool Aid drinkers who believe multiculturalism as gospel, any dissent from the "faith" is shouted down, and those who question are smeared as racist, and have their reputations and livelihoods destroyed. Its a sad state of affairs. Even those who privately agree with the truth, will often times stay silent in public, so as not to be demonized. I have yet to see any major political/social figure of any stature stand up and state "the
emperor has no clothes" . This will have to be a grass roots uprising, as we can expect no assistance or sympathy from those elites in power.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Savant, we didn't really have such cruel ways to deal with them. In my country, we actually did fairly well at cohabiting with other ethnicities, while enforcing our ways. For instance, Gypsies used to be serfs and the like longer than us, but when we freed them, most of us were for it. Obviously, we mostly seggregated and despised each other, but we didn't really deal with them in a cruel way.

It's funny, but here if you want to sell your apartment to a Gypsy, all your neighbours will hate you. So we have informal rules about not selling or renting to them(lol, we had a Gypsy guy renting across the street, but he paid a blonde girl to talk to the owner and he eventually got evicted by the owner because he pissed off everyone). I saw this as racist and stupid back in the way - not that I wanted to have Gypsy neighbours. Me, in the SWPL version.

Anonymous said...

tsnmm says I have yet to see any major political/social figure of any stature stand up and state "the
emperor has no clothes" .

Well, Angela Merkel has pretty much said that recently. And they don't come much better than that!

rebelliousvanilla said...

tsnamm, Americans never really had a defined identity, besides the founding generation, who was WASP. I'd like to point out to you how easy it is to define who is Romanian: the descendant of the Romans + Christianity. Anybody who isn't both, isn't Romanian. The problem goes to 1865, not 1964.

Anonymous said...

Is that girl's eye the right or the left? I instantly took it to be left but 'er indoors assures me it's the right.

Anonymous said...

Rebellious Vanilla is (East) German - and I claim my $5 prize.

Potgieter

Anonymous said...

Two words: TEA PARTY.

Potgieter

Chris said...

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end. "

Magnum said...

Man, I wish there were more people (and women in particular) like you, Vanilla. I have the fortune of having several smart, non-brainwashed [male] friends, but I can honestly say that I'm yet to meet a smart woman. All the hussies at my university are PC, feminist, multicultural idiots; just like in most of Europe and US, I guess. US are completely lost to multiculturalism and all that it entails, along with most of the Western Europe. I too have been on the brainwashed by the media and other people and believed in egalitarianism, multiculturalism, PC and all that stuff, until I have started to notice that the world doesn’t work that way. This all happened some 3-4 years ago, when I was still in high school. My reasoning is that if I started to think this way, there is no reason that other people shouldn’t; but I guess they are too busy getting drunk or something.

I have read from several sources that Eastern Europe will be the last “stronghold” of the white race, and it’s a notion with which I mostly agree. Personally, I prefer Western Europe due to its history and culture, but as things stand now, Western Europe is a shithole while Eastern Europe is still relatively intact. The only problem with Eastern Europe is Russia and its communist legacy coupled with hate for the rest of Europe. But if there is going to be a wide awakening to the current problems of cultural decay I think that it will come from the East.

Anyhow, although this sounds weird – congratulations on being smart, and keep converting people.
It’s always good to see likeminded people, cheers.

George said...

Anon@15:03
We must always remember that their may be "moderate" Mohamadans, but their is no modrate Islam.

Bemused stare said...

Well, many ordinary folks might be getting it but it doesn't seem to be getting through to the "opinionmakers."

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5145/theblackening.png

kulak said...

@vanilla:

Anyway, as I said, we could solve anything if we wanted to.

First things first. Have kids. Bless you if you already do.

Also, here we have a sense of peoplehood, that isn't completely lost in Europe, but that is non-existant in America.

Not quite true. Dixie has one, and theirs is the strongest sense. Some individual states have one. The people of Wisconsin consider themselves different from the people of Illinois. The people of Michigan's upper peninsula consider themselves different than the people of lower Michigan. Yoopers, they call themselves. Texas has always been a little different from everybody. It's regional, and it makes perfect sense that it would be regional. The smaller states of Europe are indicative of the natural radius of a white man's people. In this way, the United States is more like the old Soviet Union. Not a nation, but an empire over several peoples.

Robert said...

Ireland needs more gypsies.

http://fr.novopress.info/66060/armes-de-battes-de-base-ball-les-gitans-font-regner-la-terreur-a-issou/

Below, a scene in the city park of Issou, where gypsies set up a large camp and left mountains of trash, early in September, disrupting the re-opening of schools. The politically unaffiliated mayor of the city, Martine Chevalier, was firm in her decision to expel them and to refuse to negotiate with them. At one point the gypsies, armed with baseball bats, threatened to attack pedestrians. After about two weeks, they moved on to another city run by Socialists. I have no more news of their fate. The story of the invasion of Issou was carried by Novopress. http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/

reveal1970 said...

My own conversion concluded the day after I had broadband installed.

rebelliousvanilla.
I agree with your point about the Americans, they have had their identity striped away from them through egalitarianism and the political correctness of Cultural Marxism.

When the racial factor to national identity is denied, the physical connection to ones own people through a shared genetic ancestry becomes blurred this leaves only the construct.

This is why I believe African Americans can never be true Americans, they are physically a very different people therefore definitively none American.

There are only 3 options.

1 Do nothing and watch a balkanized America become just another failed third world state.

2 Encourage the different races to interbreed with each other and become one brown mass just like Mexico, and become just another failed third world state.

3 Mass deportations and the restoration of the pre 1950s demographics.
Japan and Germany resurrected themselves in just a few decades, there is no reason why an America with its pre 1950s demographics restored can't do the same.

kerdasi amaq said...

It's important to understand that "politcal corectness" is a form of Marxist attack on Western Europe.

Anonymous said...

"It's important to understand that "politcal corectness" is a form of Marxist attack on Western Europe."

Yes, and boy, hasn't it been successful!

Anonymous said...

I know of three cases where Labour voters in the UK have been confronted in their own lives with anti white racist attitudes, and most liberal/left whites are not ignorant regarding racial problems, e.g. black crime and low IQ.
But there is a kind of cognitive disassociation where people can't or won't put 2 and 2 together, possibly because it is too disheartening on an emotional level.
I agree that it is not massively hard to at least put forward a good case to someone so that they have food for thought, unless you put forward really stupid arguments of the "Pakis eat dog food" variety, which unfortunately very often happens. Good points are, if blacks can have all of Africa, Japs have Japan, etc, can't whites have Europe for the sake of diversity? Or the rape and race data? Or importing Africans with Aids, do we really need it?
But the earthquake is going to happen as whites begin to realise that they are now living in a multiracial society and that their children really will be a minority in their own countries and will lose the security and freedom that that brings. It's all very well being liberal when your people are still in control, but rule by non-whites is a threat to their very existence and there will be a reaction.

pdf1 said...

anon 1.18 - do you really think that people are starting to wake up, to the extent that they might actaully do something meaningful?

I'd love to think so, and you may well be correct. But sadly, I don't see too much evidence.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Progressivism and Marxism are both offshoots of Christianity with God removed out of the equation. Spengler was right about Marxism and Nietzsche was right about Westerners.

We've been screwed by adopting a foreign religion based on universal principles and that has a foreign God, in my opinion. It's not like Christianity cares if all of us go extinct. This is why both have been successful - they didn't preach anything completely new.

To the person who said I'm East German, I'm not. Just because I have blue eyes, it doesn't mean I'm German. LOL@you people.

Robert, for those cases, in my country we have these people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTg99QzKhDc
And we actually use them each time they cause trouble. Why do you think they're leaving? :P Sarkozy is amusing with his attempt to demolish their camps - guess what, Sarkozy, we're demolishing their camps too. lol

reveal, I'd prefer #3, but in the US I see a combination in between #1 and #2. lol

Magnum, the same happened to me. I just realized the stupid exceptions liberals make from their principles and then I realized that the principles altogether are idiotic. The problem of communism are the older people. And well, the people born now will turn out to be good multiculti idiots like the Westerners probably. And if not them, the generation that my children will be in. But by then, the West will have collapsed.

I don't see the East creating a revival of sanity, but I see us as stopping the importing of your culture once you collapse in smoke and flames. I already saw a TV show in which there was a debate if we should do it more like Asians or more like Westerners(as in more groupishness vs more individualism, less egalitarianism vs more). And hey, I love Western Europe. But what real Western Europe means right now is just a collection of old nice buildings. The people are completely demeaned. Actually, Westerners are way more destroyed socially than we are after communism. It's sad.

Bemused, I can't believe those are the hottest Norwegian or Swedish women. IF that's true, I'll be the hottest woman there if I get to continue my education in N Europe.

kulak, do Texans consider Mestizos and blacks in Texas Texan? If yes, then Texan isn't an identity either. This is what you don't get. Actually, I'd rather be a Romanian and die for Savant who is Irish than be a Texan and die for a black who is also Texan. And I will have kids when white men will pull their heads out of their collective asses and make only my kids citizens. I'm not gonna compete with the third worlers and make Europe a crowded craphole like Asia. Actually, crap birth rates for women is the attitude that men have related to war - both are expansionary(high birth rates and conquest). And I merely finished my teenage years, I can't afford children(even if I decided to make them a priority, I'd have to marry a rich guy to afford having children).

Californian said...

Never underestimate the power of the Internet to reach people globally.

Win people over, one at a time, and it snowballs into a blizzard of truth.

Nemesis said...

Let's hope you're right Californian.

Bemused stare said...

Well, it seems Germany is not unaware of the problem.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/German-minister-criticises-Muslim-youths-20101102

Heraclitus said...

Yes, it seems Thilo Sarrazin has opened up a pandora's box. When the politicos saw it was safe to speak out. Still, let's be thankful.........

Magnum said...

@Vanilla -aye, Western Europe is in shambles. Just a quick note here, I’m from Croatia and we are a mix of Eastern and Western Europe, so I guess that gives [smart] people from around here a pretty good perspective on such manners.

I’m still astonished how many people still long for the days of Communism. That attitude is prevalent in older generations, of course, but even some younger people say that we would be better off with Communism. I guess that’s another proof of how retarded most people are.

I think the people will eventually get a grip and see through the lies the powers that be are feeding us, but not before more damage is done.

I’ll have to slightly disagree with you on the subject of Western Europe over Eastern. I agree that West today is certainly not a good place to live in because of all the things mentioned before, but Western culture has a legacy of much more than old nice buildings, as you say. Philosophy, science, music, art and religion of Western Europe are much richer, and personally much closer to me that those of the East. But it’s true that the West had discarded its true identity and replaced it with PC multiculturalism, materialism and consumerism, while Eastern Europe still sticks to its roots. I hate the European Union; I would rather see Europe similar to one in Yockey’s Imperium.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Bemused, instead of wasting the money of Germans, why not strip them of citizenship and ban them from being employed while confiscating their property so that they have nothing to do but leave? I suppose I need to become empress over Europe or something.

And Californian is right. In the last year I converted about seven people to my worldview - they can't comprehend it logically completely since it's really complex and you must read certain things before, but well, that's life, they get why it's right. If everyone would be able to convert seven people an year...

SAVANT said...

Magnum - I'm interested that you're from Croatia. I know Rijeka as well, in fact very close to Piran, is it not? Croats don't take no shit! I don't see any cultural enrichers there - presumably the welfare isn't good enough?

rebelliousvanilla said...

Magnum, I'm not referring to the traditional Western European cultures. I'm referring to what the West is NOW - and the only nice things in the West are the nice buildings.

I suppose Romania is healthier in this regard. I don't know ANY young person who would support a return to communism. None whatsoever. And all the older people who do were party apparatchiks who got better treatment than the rest. Most older people dislike communism too. But again, we had a resistance movement against the Soviet occupation troops until the early 1960s, so we were never fond of communists. Here we had a condemnation of communism as an ideology for being criminal and genocidal - these words were said in front of all the MPs in full session. Marxism is trendy to Westerners.

The Gulag Archipelago should be required reading. It didn't bring any new information to me though since I have relatives who lived that life(including the prisoner part of it).

Magnum said...

Savant – yeah, Rijeka is pretty close to Piran. It’s true that we Croatians have a history of taking no bullshit from foreigners (most notably Ottomans and Serbs), but unfortunately we also have a certain fatalistic nature when it comes to politics. As I see it, cultural enrichers and foreigners are rare here for two reasons:
1. We have a pretty homogenous society based on race/religion. We don’t really like outsiders other than several nations who are historically friendly to us, like Germans. This distrust comes from the fact that almost every nation that has shared a border with us has tried to conquer us. We are also very religious so we don’t like other religions spreading their influence here. Personally, I’m not a big fan of religion or Christianity but at least it had some positive impacts, like preventing Muslims from establishing a stronghold like they did in Bosnia.
2. As you say, the welfare isn’t good, or in other words, we are poor as shit. We are way below European average, hell - we are even poorer that most neighbouring countries like Slovenia. We can still make a decent living compared to African and Asian countries, but when people from those countries come to Europe, they’re going to go to rich countries, not here. So I guess even being poor has some advantages.

Vanilla – I understand what you are saying, and like I said, I agree. What I meant was that not all culture in Western Europe is dead; I’ll use heavy metal music as an example. Heavy metal is a distinctive form of music which originated Britain and has taken roots in countries like Germany or Nordic countries. Not only it’s the best musical genre there is (besides classical music, which also is mostly represented by West European artists), it’s almost exclusively to white performers. So I consider it a European legacy, which is still alive today, for there are many awesome metal bands out there. This is just an example of what I mean, but again, I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m pointing out that there are still some okay things left in Europe, although there are not many of them, I know.

Concerning Communism – people over here are very Yugo-nostalgic, they want things to be as they were in Yugoslavia under Tito. As I understand, people were living much better during those times because they all had jobs with regular pay, health care etc. When we started to adopt capitalism, most of the people were ripped off by politician and shady businessmen who took the country’s fortune into their pockets. During Yugoslavia we were among top 5 countries in Europe and now we are near the bottom, so people are displeased. Knowing all this, and not experiencing Communism first hand, I can still safely say that people are stupid. Communism is a disease which should be eradicated from the face of the Earth. Still, our newly elected president was a member of Communist Party in the “old days”.

I guess countries like Romania and those more to the east are more hostile to Communism because, as far as my limited knowledge on these matters go, is that you suffered under Soviet boot directly, while we had it pretty good, as far as Communism goes, that is.

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Bemused stare said...

"Bemused, instead of wasting the money of Germans, why not strip them of citizenship and ban them from being employed while confiscating their property so that they have nothing to do but leave?"

I'm really starting to like you. And Sav, I really think it's time you upgraded to a forum.

SAVANT said...

"And Sav, I really think it's time you upgraded to a forum."

I was/am thinking about it. But it does have its downsides you know.

Anonymous said...

Jesus, after seeing that Romanian military force I'm not surprised that they're jumping the ship and moving to Western Europe (France)!

I'd be shitting my pants if I were a noble gypsy.

Can't tell you how many of my pals were mugged by gypsies in Belgium when I lived there. Or the full-on race riots in the town square between Muslims and White Flemish. This shit has got to be addressed, stopped and moved elsewhere.

Get. Out.

Anonymous said...

And did you see that a gypsy girl 10 YEARS OLD has given birth in Spain. Probably her father is the father!

Anonymous said...

And did you see that a gypsy girl 10 YEARS OLD has given birth in Spain. Probably her father is the father!