Thursday, 23 September 2010

Can anyone explain?

I've referred just a few posts ago to the criminal negligence (at best) of the MSM and its role in the demise of the West. But it’s still a matter of total amazement to me the extent to which the most glaring questions, striking at some of the most vital developments in our lives, can be almost completely ignored or trivialised. One of these relates to 9/11.

There’s a huge body of evidence and whole sites devoted to this – all dismissed by the MSM as ‘nut-cases’ or ‘conspiracy freaks’. And I've no intention of getting into the technicalities of controlled explosions or the shenanigans of Jewish financiers or even of something closer to my own field of expertise, the activities of Israeli technology companies in the overall 9/11 arena.

There are numerous arguments and counter-arguments, most of which I have no special ability to judge. However, some things are totally clear, not denied, in the public domain…. and which conclusively prove that Israeli elements – let’s leave it at that – at a minimum knew in advance of the attacks.

I’ll cite just two – you can get dozens more in the blogosphere.

In October 2000, approximately 11 months before 9/11, a retired Israeli Defence Forces(IDF) officer at the Jewish Gomel Chesed Cemetery in New Jersey overheard a couple of people having what he believed to be a conversation spoken in Hebrew, which drew his attention. He hid behind an 8-foot tall retaining wall and listened in to their conversation as they stood below. Shortly after a Lincoln town car approached the two people -- presumably Israelis -- and the man in the backseat got out to greet them. After normal niceties were exchanged the third man said:“The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September.”The observer who overheard this conversation related it to the FBI on numerous occasions only to be ignored each time. Nothing was done about it, and no investigation into the incident has ever took place.
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Then we have the ‘celebrating students’ who jumped up and cheered when the planes hit. The men were detained by the NYPD. The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports.

Initially they were assumed by everyone to be Islamic terrorists or at least their accomplices. The MSM gave it saturation coverage…… until it emerged that in fact they were Israelis. The item then immediately disappeared from MSM coverage. Fast forward a few months (they were quickly released, needless to say) and the same ‘students’ appeared on an Israeli talk show and claimed to be "documenting the event".

Witnesses reported they were set up prior to the first plane strike, and were seen congratulating one another afterward. The five jubilant Israelis were also seen photographing one another. The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smoldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.

Self-evidently they knew in advance.

Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga has told Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.

He said in Corriere della Sera: "All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."
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Andreas von Bulow served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service while a member of the Bundestag (German parliament) from 1969 to 1994, and wrote a book titled Im Namen des Staates (In the Name of the State) on the criminal activities of secret services, including the CIA.
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Von Bulow told AFP that he believes that the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, is behind the September 11 terror attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs, and boost military and security spending. "Journalists don't even raise the simplest questions," he said adding, "those who differ are labelled as crazy."
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Both Werthebach and von Bulow said the lack of an open and official investigation, such as congressional hearings, into the events of September 11 was incomprehensible.

But is it?

As I said earlier, these facts are in the public domain, and to my knowledge, nobody has denied them. (How could they?). So what we have here is the full knowledge that Israeli elements, at a minimum knew about the attack in advance. This is turning everything on its head. It changes the fundamental understanding of what happened that day and how – and why - it occurred.

Knowing this you’d imagine that there would be an explosion of outrage, breaking off diplomatic relations – at a minimum- with Israel (remember a full-scale war was launched on Iraq on the basis of the most tenuous 9/11 connections), a calling to account of those who concocted the official whitewash report, and a relentless pursuit of all those connections. The focus of the so-called war on terror would have been turned on its head.

But what we get is nothing. No public reaction, other than from the ‘kooks’ in the blogosphere. Isn’t that totally and utterly unimaginable? I mean totally and utterly unimaginable? Now I’ve raised this issue with many intelligent open-minded people. Basically they’re not really interested. Isn’t that also incredible? To me it’s as if it was found out in 1942 that it wasn’t the Japs who’d attacked Pearl Harbour, rather the Russians or some other country.

Why is this? We can talk about Jewish media and political control, and that’s obviously a huge consideration. But it’s by no means total. (Israel gets a bad press in many European countries, for example). But nobody runs with what will probably turn out to be the most fundamental paradigm-changing revelation of this century.

Again I ask – why is this?

My own belief is that it can be explained in large part by people’s inability to process something so fundamentally at odds with what they’ve internalised over a lifetime. Cognitave dissonance, if you will. It’s just too awful to contemplate. It’s the way some dyed-in-the-wool Catholics simply don’t believe the stories of child abuse.

I've waited a long time to make this post because I keep thinking that the penny will drop with a loud thud. I'm still waiting.

107 comments:

Anonymous said...

what, that nice guy in obamas cabinet is a isreali citizen via dual citizenship and now he want to run for mayor of chicago, could this mean he is going to fly planes into the remaining public housing projects here, hmmmm mixed emotions to say the least /

Anonymous said...

As you said before, they are more clever than the rest of us on average and they killed jesus.
No surpise here!

Anonymous said...

Theres also a ' conspiracy theory' about Roosevelt and his pals orchastrating Pearl Harbour. Michael Graham goes on Hook's show on newstalk and talks about 'cooks' believing 9/11 was an inside job. And Hook reads out the sheeple's texts demanding that that right wing nut be taken of the air. Hook and Graham remind me of two wwf wrestlers going at it in a staged fight except they don't even know its staged by the people who have been shaping public opinion and outlining guidelines for media players like these. And their audience is just as thick.

Mr. Rockwell said...

I recently came across some info that is mind boggling and almost too weird to be true, yet it seems to check out. There was a book written in 1925 called Praktischer Idealismus (“Practical Idealism”) that laid out the plans for the destruction of the European white race through miscegenation and claimed that in the future the world would be run by the Jews who are “natural aristocrats.”
Sounds like some kooky nonsense written by a no-hoper, but it isn’t. The book was written by Richard Nikolaus von Coudenhove-Kalergi who is considered to be one of the founding fathers of the European Union (EUSSR to you & me.)
Instead of being demonized for his hateful anti-white views, he is routinely praised by the European elites’ propaganda machine. For example, Coudenhove-Kalergi was the first recipient of the prestigious Charlemagne Prize in 1950. Other recipients include Winston Churchill, Ted Heath, Konrad Adenauer, Francois Mitterand, Bill Clinton, Henry Kissinger, Tony Blair, and Angela Merkel.
There’s plenty of stuff about this man on the web. I leave you to check this stuff out and make up your own mind.

Anonymous said...

Aah. The twin towers.

We're through the looking glass, here. A place I call home.

For those who feel that (Shock! Horror!!) no government could ever conspire against their own people, I present you with these two links on the infamous Oklahoma City bombing. Remember Timothy McVeigh?

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0697/30quest.htm

... and This report on the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City which was prepared by Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, USAF (Ret.) and dated July 30, 1995.

The report was submitted to the U.S. Congress and is a matter of the Congressional Record.

http://tiny.cc/es8uy

General Partin, by the way, is *THE* expert on military explosives and the use thereof. For 25 years, Partin was the man that other demolition experts looked to for advice.

Start your weekend with a (heh, heh) bang. Brew up a huge pot of coffee, send out for lots of croissants and be prepared for a fascinating read ...

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty.

Bemused stare said...

Thud? More like a loud bang. Part of the problem is that people are bombarded with too much crap to even think straight.

Harvey said...

Actually...in a fashion...one could say that it was the Russians who attacked Pearl Harbor.

Richard Sorge was a Russian spy in Japan. He was discovered and executed. His mission was to get the Japanese to attack to the South and Southwest, rather than to the North and Northwest into Manchuria and Russia. Russia could not handle a two front war. The whole thing was known as Operation Snow. He was successful in his mission.

So the Japanese went south and had to attack the USA, and the best place for that was - among others - Pearl Harbor. You might seek out a book styled "Sacred Secrets" that tells of this. I have no idea whether 'Operation Snow' comes up on a Google search.

Best to you...

kulak said...

Knowing this you’d imagine that there would be an explosion of outrage, breaking off diplomatic relations – at a minimum-

It is easier to get forgiveness than to ask for permission.

These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs, and boost military and security spending.

"Patriot" Act.

Why is this? We can talk about Jewish media and political control,

We can?

My own belief is that it can be explained in large part by people’s inability to process something so fundamentally at odds with what they’ve internalised over a lifetime. Cognitave dissonance, if you will.

Cross-conditioning.

Now I’ve raised this issue with many intelligent open-minded people. Basically they’re not really interested. Isn’t that also incredible?

Not really. Nobody wants to think they've been a chump, so whatever it is must have been unimportant.

At the time I believed the Official Story, but was against the war. I got to the JQ by a route that had nothing to do with 911. By the time I became comfortable with it, a Mossad-911 link was just "well that figures. What's for lunch today?"

Cross-DEconditioning.

Anonymous said...

"It’s the way some dyed-in-the-wool Catholics simply don’t believe the stories of child abuse."
Ask yourself what made you put this sorrowful line, my friend.
You seem to throw this out to appease the some of the guys...
I like your blog, but this kind of things, dissapoint me a bit.
Greetings from Argentina and keep the good work

Anonymous said...

Savant,

It is well know that Israeli, Russian and French intelligence warned the US well in advance of 9/11 to expect the attacks. America was caught napping. The attacks were typical of what Arab terrorists/hijackers had been doing for decades. Remember the PLO? And Al-Qaeda had already tried to bomb the WTC.
Maybe certain Israeli agencies knew more than others, and did not intervene due to US indifference. Or maybe they thought - rightly - that such an attack would help their cause. So they let it happen...with CIA collusion?

Potgieter

Robert said...

Savant,
Erudite as you are, I think you fail to understand, or perhaps I mean appreciate, just how fucked up the US Govt. is. There is no doubt that many agencies of the US had enough information to deduce the time and nature of the attack months before it occurred. Mossad knew what was coming and apparently warned various agencies. What defines Washington DC above everything else is turf rivalry and power. (It is clear that the murder of the branch davidians in Waco was carried out to give ATF something to do).
As for Mossad planning 9/11, that is something I cannot believe, but perhaps that is a sympton of my own "cognitave dissonance". It is apparently widely believed by Arabs and muslims generally that:
a) 9/11 was planned by Israel, and
b) It was a huge victory for islam.
GWB invaded iraq largely because of pure personal pique; Saddam Hussein had apparently attempted to assassinate his old man so he had to go; "fucking Saddam, he' gonner get his" was GW's phrase I believe.
The US is a garrison state, we are so over-militaried it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. All these generals and admirals need missions, that is why we have these wars and all the bases and all the rest of the bullshit that goes with the military.

Krokodil said...

The supposed "common knowledge" amongst international intelligence agencies all knowing that it was Mossad who carried out 9/11, I quite simply don't believe.

Are you really suggesting that the CIA, MI6, whatever they call the KGB now etc. etc. are all fairly convinced, or have hard evidence, that Mossad was behind it all?

No matter how powerful the US Jewish lobby - and I know they are - and no matter how much the Israeli tail tends to wag the American dog, even so, it is utterly inconceivable that the normal status quo would be maintained in the light of such knowledge.

Nor do I believe that this kind of conspiracy, if it existed, could possibly be kept secret for too long. It would be simply too big and involve too many players. Leaks would be inevitable.

Furthermore, the Israeli government would hardly take such an audacious and risky gamble with their closest and most needed ally. Nor do I believe, though obviously I cannot know, that Mossad is such a loose cannon that they would carry out such a heinous deed independent of their own political and military leadership (which tends to be quite interwoven in Israel's case).

What I am prepared to believe is that Mossad, and possibly even the Israeli government (though probably not), knew from their own intelligence sources that these attacks were going to take place and decided to keep quiet, and not tell the USA. Or maybe they gave some intelligence, but kept it deliberately vague. This is all speculation, of course; quite possibly Mossad knew only as much or thereabouts as other mainstream intelligence services.

I'm not suggesting we don't dig for the truth - we should - but unless I were to see hard evidence of this particular conspiracy, I simply find it too incredible, bizarre and unlikely to be the case.

W Baker said...

Savant,

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the reference to cognitive dissonance. Except, as I understand the term, there has to be a competing set of ideas where one set is intentionally ignored so that there is harmony and no dissonance.

The problem, as I see it, at least here in the States, is that most, average people have little to no idea of what's going on. They know nothing of history and can probably only remember events from the past three years. They are generally spoon fed a series of non-sequitor ideas about politics and world events from a set of equally simple elites behind the camera, website, or printing press. The only thing that sets these media elites apart from the rest of the buffoons is that they generally attended very expensive East Coast, Ivy League or similar universities and have networked their way to the top. (My niece is a journalism major at the most expensive university in the country and can attest to this. Most of her fellow students are bright and hard working, yet they have absolutely no sense of inquiry. They only want access to the top, and this generally requires selling any curiosity or intellectual scruples down the river.)

I gave up thinking that the traditional media is slanted right or left years ago. The media is slanted toward whomever is in power and the power structure behind the elites. In the United States the media is absolutely wedded to the banks, and their puppet masters at the Federal Reserve, and military industrial complex. We've just witnessed the largest wealth transfer in the history of mankind with the bailout of the banking industry and the continued growth of the largest, most powerful, yet most ineffective military ever known, and there's never a word or discussion to be had about these two monsters.

Look, this country has never gotten to the bottom of the sinking of the Maine in Cuba in 1898 nor the incidents surrounding the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. Both incidents were used by the political elites to either start or severely escalate war, and the press, like the little lapdog bitches they are, gleefully played its part.

The circumstances and facts around 9/11 will be investigated toward the end of this century as a complete afterthought and a way to increase television audiences for small documentary stations. By then it will be distant history - as arcane as early Church history - in most peoples' minds.

When you have a population that to this day thinks that Saddam Hussein, our pissant, brutal ruler of a country hammered together by the Brits in the '20's for oil, threatened the US (and Europe) with nuclear and biological weapons and, as one of the most secular Arab tyrants in the region, was in bed with the most fundamentalistic bunch (Wahhabi) of nut jobs that even Saudi Arabia kicked out, one doesn't stand a fucking chance of any truth coming out!!!

If it does, it will completely be irrelevant.

Welcome to our brave, new world....

W Baker said...

Savant,

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the reference to cognitive dissonance. Except, as I understand the term, there has to be a competing set of ideas where one set is intentionally ignored so that there is harmony and no dissonance.

The problem, as I see it, at least here in the States, is that most, average people have little to no idea of what's going on. They know nothing of history and can probably only remember events from the past three years. They are generally spoon fed a series of non-sequitor ideas about politics and world events from a set of equally simple elites behind the camera, website, or printing press. The only thing that sets these media elites apart from the rest of the buffoons is that they generally attended very expensive East Coast, Ivy League or similar universities and have networked their way to the top. (My niece is a journalism major at the most expensive university in the country and can attest to this. Most of her fellow students are bright and hard working, yet they have absolutely no sense of inquiry. They only want access to the top, and this generally requires selling any curiosity or intellectual scruples down the river.)

I gave up thinking that the traditional media is slanted right or left years ago. The media is slanted toward whomever is in power and the power structure behind the elites. In the United States the media is absolutely wedded to the banks, and their puppet masters at the Federal Reserve, and military industrial complex. We've just witnessed the largest wealth transfer in the history of mankind with the bailout of the banking industry and the continued growth of the largest, most powerful, yet most ineffective military ever known, and there's never a word or discussion to be had about these two monsters.

Look, this country has never gotten to the bottom of the sinking of the Maine in Cuba in 1898 nor the incidents surrounding the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. Both incidents were used by the political elites to either start or severely escalate war, and the press, like the little lapdog bitches they are, gleefully played its part.

The circumstances and facts around 9/11 will be investigated toward the end of this century as a complete afterthought and a way to increase television audiences for small documentary stations. By then it will be distant history - as arcane as early Church history - in most peoples' minds.

When you have a population that to this day thinks that Saddam Hussein, our pissant, brutal ruler of a country hammered together by the Brits in the '20's for oil, threatened the US (and Europe) with nuclear and biological weapons and, as one of the most secular Arab tyrants in the region, was in bed with the most fundamentalistic bunch (Wahhabi) of nut jobs that even Saudi Arabia kicked out, one doesn't stand a fucking chance of any truth coming out!!!

If it does, it will completely be irrelevant.

Welcome to our brave, new world....

W Baker said...

Savant,

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the reference to cognitive dissonance. Except, as I understand the term, there has to be a competing set of ideas where one set is intentionally ignored so that there is harmony and no dissonance.

The problem, as I see it, at least here in the States, is that most, average people have little to no idea of what's going on. They know nothing of history and can probably only remember events from the past three years. They are generally spoon fed a series of non-sequitor ideas about politics and world events from a set of equally simple elites behind the camera, website, or printing press. The only thing that sets these media elites apart from the rest of the buffoons is that they generally attended very expensive East Coast, Ivy League or similar universities and have networked their way to the top. (My niece is a journalism major at the most expensive university in the country and can attest to this. Most of her fellow students are bright and hard working, yet they have absolutely no sense of inquiry. They only want access to the top, and this generally requires selling any curiosity or intellectual scruples down the river.)

I gave up thinking that the traditional media is slanted right or left years ago. The media is slanted toward whomever is in power and the power structure behind the elites. In the United States the media is absolutely wedded to the banks, and their puppet masters at the Federal Reserve, and military industrial complex. We've just witnessed the largest wealth transfer in the history of mankind with the bailout of the banking industry and the continued growth of the largest, most powerful, yet most ineffective military ever known, and there's never a word or discussion to be had about these two monsters.

Google says this post is too large. So it's in two parts....

W Baker said...

Second part:

Look, this country has never gotten to the bottom of the sinking of the Maine in Cuba in 1898 nor the incidents surrounding the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. Both incidents were used by the political elites to either start or severely escalate war, and the press, like the little lapdog bitches they are, gleefully played its part.

The circumstances and facts around 9/11 will be investigated toward the end of this century as a complete afterthought and a way to increase television audiences for small documentary stations. By then it will be distant history - as arcane as early Church history - in most peoples' minds.

When you have a population that to this day thinks that Saddam Hussein, our pissant, brutal ruler of a country hammered together by the Brits in the '20's for oil, threatened the US (and Europe) with nuclear and biological weapons and, as one of the most secular Arab tyrants in the region, was in bed with the most fundamentalistic bunch (Wahhabi) of nut jobs that even Saudi Arabia kicked out, one doesn't stand a fucking chance of any truth coming out!!!

If it does, it will completely be irrelevant.

Welcome to our brave, new world....

reveal1970 said...

This has happened before..During the six day war in 1967 Israel attacked the USS Liberty using jet fighters and torpedo boats.
Survivors told of life boats full of sailors being raked with machine gun fire in an attack that lasted over two hours.

Afterwards the Israels claimed it was mistaken identity even though the attack happen in broad daylight with the ship flying the American flag and the letters USS LIBERTY painted big and bold on its side.

Senator Mc Cain's father chaired the investigation into the incident.
It goes with out saying he accepted the Israel version of events over his own service mens.

America seems to be Israel useful idiot.

RT news reported on the 40th anniversary of this event, the link is below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98jxoUUrzg

uhu said...

I think the point Savant is making is that THERE'S NO DISPUTE about the fact that the Israelis knew in advance. As he says,this changes everything.

kulak said...

Savant --

N.B. If any of those "intelligent, open-minded people" were women, that's completely different.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that Bush & Co. could have been involved - they were just too incompetent. The neocons in his cabinet - that's a whole different story however.

Dr. Wassel said...

Note that an ex-IDF soldier notified the FBI about what he heard. Proves what I've always said, you can't lump all Jews into one basket.

SAVANT said...

Krokodil, you say "What I am prepared to believe is that Mossad, and possibly even the Israeli government (though probably not), knew from their own intelligence sources that these attacks were going to take place and decided to keep quiet, and not tell the USA. Or maybe they gave some intelligence, but kept it deliberately vague. This is all speculation, of course; quite possibly Mossad knew only as much or thereabouts as as other mainstream intelligence services."

If I had to select from a multiple choice set of answers this would be my choice too. But a lot of people take a less benign view, and the 'investigation' overlooked or explained away so much that you'd have to have suspicions.

SAVANT said...

Wes Baker - yes, I too don't think the MSM is left or right, liberal or con. They are wedded to power and their careers are dependent on the goals of the profit-seeking corporations that own the MSM.

Anonymous said...

Hard evidence? How about hardcore dense! Man this kind of thinking is the reason we don't get anywhere with this.

There are about 1000 pieces, if not more, of circumstantial evidence that it was Israelis. The U.S. Gov't at the time was riddled with U.S./Isreali dual citizens. What are dual citizens doing in the U.S. Gov't for christsake!!??

If you join the U.S. Military and you have a second citizenship you must renounce it! But why is this not the case with the U.S Gov't.

Look up the names Dov Zakheim and Michael Chertoff, and the judge who is responsible for taking cases for 911 vicitim's families, the head of the port authority who sold the buildings to the jew Larry Silverstein. This is just a short list of the top players at the time. And they are all jews! but some idiot will say: "oh, nothing there. just a coincidence. that ain't hard evidence."

well if those top players were Muslims would you think along those lines?

This goes to show how people can poo poo the obvious when it comes to jews and Israel.

Look up the security company responsible for security at the airports where the planes supposedly took off from.

Too much circumstantial evidence to not be able to confidently say IT WAS THE ISRAELIS! This evidence means much more than "at the minimum they knew it was coming." They knew it was coming because they did it!

A 1000 pieces of circumstantial evidence is evidence that is hard enough. Just because it seems bizarre doesn't make it unlikely. What kind of justification can that be for not seeing what is right in front of your face?

Some people are just stupid. And the perceptive ones (and you really don't have to be that perceptive to see this) have to somehow deal with it. But it ain't easy.

FishEagle said...

Savant

In response to your comment, "But a lot of people take a less benign view, and the 'investigation' overlooked or explained away so much that you'd have to have suspicions."

I would also have had some suspicions if the American ruling class didn't have such a prevalent politically correct and arrogant culture. But they do, going so far even as to willingly accept and 'absorb' terrorist attacks.


The Washington Post recently wrote - 'A new book by ... Bob Woodward describes the Obama administration as barraged with warnings about the threat of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. President Obama told Woodward in an interview ... "We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever. . . "'


Islam receives special treatment in America, like no other religion. It is very likely that the US received some kind of warning about 9/11 and they just brushed it off. When we complain about political correctness 24/7, why would people respond differently with just one more case of so-called "islamophobia."

It's highly regrettable that 9/11 eventually happened but if I were Jewish and my warnings were ignored by the know-it-all intelligence of the US, I would have probably expressed the exact same sentiments that were overheard from the Isreali's in the graveyard incident.

kulak said...

@Wassel -- Good one!!!

Dr. Wassel said...

"well if those top players were Muslims would you think along those lines? "

No, but Jews reach the top everywhere, especially in America. Muslims in those positions would have been a complete abberation.

Anonymous said...

Kulak "I got to the JQ by a route that had nothing to do with 911"

What does the JQ acronym stand for? Jewish Question?

Anonymous said...

Dr. Wassel.

Yes, jews are in the top positions everywhere because of one single reason... they promote each other (or white guys/gals who are useful idiots or pressured in some nefarious way) to assist in pulling off their agenda.

And 9/11 and its cover up were part of their agenda.

Jews understand that to succeed you need a strong sense of community. And this is why Israel must remain a jewish state and why every western/white state must have their populations atomized with multicultural hogwash and politically correct dribble, not to mention completely inexplicable divorce laws which strip a white man of everything.

Everything the jew reads and learns from day one is that they are special and they must stick together because this specialness causes them to be persecuted endlessly. They learn that everyone hates them for no good reason and blah, blah, blah....

(On a side note, if you interviewed a guy for a job and you found out--he didn't tell you because he was hiding it--that he had been terminated from over 100 jobs, and when you asked him about it he said "oh, that was because people just don't like me around for no reason other than irrational prejudices" would you buy that as a reasonable explanation? My point being, if a community of people get kicked out of every country they ever lived in, in most cases more than once, would you chalk that up to irrational prejudices???)

Back to where I was with this jewish community thing: Everything, and I mean everything, around you in "western/white" society is an expression of jewish community and the agenda that it promotes. No white man who is honest would survive two tenths of a second in a top position if he were anything but a useful idiot parroting the PC line in every sentence he muttered, otherwise, he would be slandered, blackmailed, bribed, threatened, or murdered/suicided etc. to get rid of him.

I know many jews and I don't find them to be super bright, as everyone claims. However,I do find them promoting each other with ferocity, albeit subtle ferocity, which, if witnessed, is disconcerting. And in the lower rung of the ladder, (remember the top rung is always a jew or jew supporter) is a third-worlder. The white guy is in the bread line these days. And even in this situation we have idiots that can't put two and two together and come up with four.

The justification some idiots come up with to explain the world around us I find bizarre, however, it still exists.

Krokodil said...

An unfortunate characteristic of those on the "right" is to all too often see conspiracy where none actually exists.

Now, 9/11 definitely lends itself more to conspiracy theory than say, area 51 (if I've got that right) or JFK, for example.

However, I stand by what I've said before: a deliberate attack under false-flag pretenses by the Israelis/Mossad (in this case) is just too incredible to be believed. Only hard evidence would sway my opinion otherwise.

I also believe that the most likely explanation behind cospiracy talk is the most straitforward and, er, none too exciting. Princess Di died because the chauffeur had had one too many and drove too fast, for example.

An inescapable fact of 9/11 is to this day a not very concealed delight by very many Arabs/Muslims at what took place on that dreadful day. Not that that's proof, of course. Also, for the record, I personally know a good few Arabs/Muslims and they are as sound as a pound.

I am a reasonably right-wing white South African of Anglo/Irish/Afrikaner descent, with no Jewish connections, lest anyone think I'm trying to speak up for the Jews.

kulak said...

@anon

Yes.

But don't tell anyone.

Anonymous said...

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You make me proud to be a racist bastard, or as P. J. O'rourke once said:- "I have no problem being called Fascist. No red blooded woman EVER has had a fantasy about being ravished by a man dressed as a Liberal. It's the uniform every time!"

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... it belongs to a man named Gilad Atzmon ... an anti-zionist jew who drives the zionists to distraction.

A quote from the site ...

"As I have mentioned many times before, there is no such a thing as Jewish conspiracy. It is all
done in the open. In front of TV cameras from all over the world, listed Israeli Propaganda Author as well as British Foreign Secretary David Miliband gave the Israelis a green light to operation Cast Lead, suggesting in Sderot that “Israel should, above all, seek to protect its own citizens.” Miliband, in practice, made us all complicit in a colossal war crime committed by Israel. Staunch Zionist Lord Levy funded the Labour party when this party launched a criminal war that intended to erase the last pocket of Arabic resistance to Zionism. He also wasn’t at all shy about it. In the media, shameless Jewish Chronicle writers David Aaronovitch and Nick Cohen enthusiastically advocated the same criminal war in the name of ‘moral interventionism’. Nick Cohen also founded the Euston Manifesto ‘think tank’ to support dubious Neocon ideologies on this
side of the pond."

More later, and cheers,

Uncle Nasty

BTW, I have also fallen several times into the google trap telling me my post was too big ... best thing is to ignore the message and save the text to a temporary file, so if it does not appear, one can break it up and post in installments.

Anonymous said...

http://www.debunking911.com/conspiracy.htm

Anonymous said...

A little light reading from Wikipedia -- who cannot be called antisemitic by ANY means.

The saga of Jonathan Jay Pollard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

I advise the reader scroll down to the chapter entitled "INVESTIGATION" to see just how the Israelis really view their American benefactors -- and the open contempt with which they treated the US investigators in the Pollard case.

The very last paragraph in the chapter is an eye-opener.

Now ... considering that Israel (at the end of 2008) had received a total of $114 000 000 000 (yup, one hundred and fourteen BILLION dollars) in aid from the U.S. one would be forgiven for expecting a leeetle respect and gratitude.

http://tiny.cc/xnvxx

But no. They get bitch-slapped and then come back for more.

And more, and more and more.

Ahhh, America.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty.

PS That, by the way is the OFFICIAL sum of Israeli aid. Next post will be the UNOFFICIAL estimate.

Now THAT is interesting.

U.N.

Anonymous said...

Okay ...

the U.S.-Israel ever-replenishing, everlasting money fountain ... Part two.

Please go here:-

http://tiny.cc/fw88p

An extract:-

Receiving its annual foreign aid appropriation during the first month of the fiscal year, instead of in quarterly installments as do other recipients, is just another special privilege Congress has voted for Israel. It enables Israel to invest the money in U.S. Treasury notes. That means that the U.S., which has to borrow the money it gives to Israel, pays interest on the money it has granted to Israel in advance, while at the same time Israel is collecting interest on the money. That interest to Israel from advance payments adds another $1.650 billion to the total, making it $84,854,827,200.That’s the number you should write down for total aid to Israel. And that’s $14,346 each for each man, woman and child in Israel.

That was in 1998 by the way.

Now, please tell me one more time that these are NOT parasites?

These buggers are as bad as the niggers. They murder their parents and then plead for mercy because they're orphans.

No wonder there's no equivalent to the word "Chutzpah"

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Ivo said...

anon 23.24 asks "if you interviewed a guy for a job and you found out--he didn't tell you because he was hiding it--that he had been terminated from over 100 jobs, and when you asked him about it he said "oh, that was because people just don't like me around for no reason other than irrational prejudices" would you buy that as a reasonable explanation? My point being, if a community of people get kicked out of every country they ever lived in, in most cases more than once, would you chalk that up to irrational prejudices???"

This is an interesting question and one that I've often thought about. It's a valid question too. But it seems to have happened only in "Christian" countries, hence leading to the conclusion that they're being targetted for being Christ-killers.

Also their wealth and success could be a factor. having said that I do know that in Russia and Poland they weren't all that wealthy.

Anonymous said...

the U.S.-Israel ever-replenishing, everlasting money fountain ... Part three.

In my previous posts, I mentioned the cost of America's defense of Israel (1949 - 2008) at 114 Billion U.S. Dollars.

Well, here's another estimate from *2003* that cranks the figure a little higher ... $3,000,000,000,000.00.

Three trillion dollars -- Pretty good money from a country you treat with utter contempt.

http://tiny.cc/dxjy4

As P. J. O'rourke once said:- "I have no problem being called Fascist. No red blooded woman EVER has had a fantasy about being ravished by a man dressed as a Liberal. It's the uniform every time!"

Anyway, to business. I recommend this site:- http://tiny.cc/i0d9d

... it belongs to a man named Gilad Atzmon ... an anti-zionist jew who drives the zionists to distraction.

He points out -- among other things "...“The Jewish population in the UK is 280,000 or 0.46 per cent. There are 650 seats in the House of Commons so, as a proportion, Jewish entitlement is only three seats. The conclusion is pretty obvious. With 24 seats, Jews are eight times over-represented. Which means, of course, that other groups must be under-represented, including Muslims…If Muslims, for instance, were over-represented to the same extent as the Jews (i.e. eight times) they’d have 200 seats. All hell would break loose.”

U.N.

Anonymous said...

the U.S.-Israel ever-replenishing, everlasting money fountain ... Part four.

Part 2 Gilad Atzmon - continued

A quote from the site ...

"As I have mentioned many times before, there is no such a thing as Jewish conspiracy. It is all done in the open. In front of TV cameras from all over the world, listed Israeli Propaganda Author as well as British Foreign Secretary David Miliband gave the Israelis a green light to operation Cast Lead, suggesting in Sderot that “Israel should, above all, seek to protect its own citizens.” Miliband, in practice, made us all complicit in a colossal war crime committed by Israel. Staunch Zionist Lord Levy funded the Labour party when this party launched a criminal war that intended to erase the last pocket of Arabic resistance to Zionism. He also wasn’t at all shy about it. In the media, shameless Jewish Chronicle writers David Aaronovitch and Nick Cohen enthusiastically advocated the same criminal war in the name of ‘moral interventionism’. Nick Cohen also founded the Euston Manifesto ‘think tank’ to support dubious Neocon ideologies on this side of the pond."

Interesting this ... coming from a Jew

Uncle Nasty

BTW, I have also fallen several times into the google trap telling me my post was too big ... best thing is to ignore the message and save the text to a temporary file, so if it does not appear, one can break it up and post in instalments.

Anonymous said...

Okay, Krokodil,

First off, labeling someone as “right” has nothing whatsoever to do with seeing 9/11 as a jew job. This labeling clearly demonstrates that you have been brainwashed. Figuring out by careful scrutiny, via all the circumstantial evidence (and some of it may actually be hard evidence if there ever was a proper investigation; the financial trades on the airlines in question can be in all honestness considered hard evidence) that can be easily found online and in books written by intelligent people, that Israel is suspect numero uno ain’t rocket science. You just have an inexplicable mind block.

And by the way Krokodil, almost everything nowadays is a conspiracy. Your colleague’s promotion, affirmative action, government legislation, political campaigns, your spouse cheating, immigration laws… everything pretty much. Why is this not straightforward in your eyes is a mystery. Also a conspiracy is not really exciting, who ever said it was? And using this word “conspiracy” as if it was something that was outside of the norm also shows me you don’t know too much. In fact, America was founded by conspiracy against the king. No one told him about the plan to secede.

9/11 was a deliberate attack that took a lot of thought and planning (not to mention balls). And it is a amazing that because Arabs are glad about it that this may indicate to you that they were involved, or that Israel wasn’t. Of course they would be glad about this. And that would have nothing to do whether they did it or not. Also, what about the “dancing Israelis”? They also rejoiced. A lot of people enjoy watching the U.S. get attacked.

Moreover, again, being right-wing or left-wing has not one jot of relevance. And to iterate this indicates a lack of ability in grasping this simple topic: Who did 9/11?

And what do you consider “hard evidence”? Do you need a video of the Israelis admitting it? Well the “dancing Israelis did admit it on T.V.

And just because you define Israeli involvement as “just too incredible to believe” is not an argument for denying that the OVERWHELMING circumstantial (some of it is hard) evidence is more than enough proof. Your ignorance is, I have no doubt, “just to incredible to believe” for many people. And in no way are you “reasonable.”

Check you the Lavon Affair and the Liberty; and read Douglas Reed’s The Controversy of Zion. And wake the hell up.

blueboy said...

Those figures from UN are simply mind-blowing. Borrowing from the Chinese to pay Israel, which then blows up our boats! Wow!

Patrick Henry said...

“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth … For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.”

CH - Washington DC said...

Most of these comments are bunk, and frankly I find it very disrespectful to those who lost their lives and those who lost loved ones in the Sept 11th attacks.

Yes, I have read and viewed the information provided by Loose Change. I have also read Loose Change debunked and "Screwloosechange". I think if you want to be informed, you have to read all of them. But most conspiracy theorists just want to support their outlandish ideas, so they don't read the rest.
Reason should prevail.

FishEagle said...

Anon 12.25. Yawn. Who gives a shit? I'm not American and I don't care whether the Americans were manipulated by the Israeli's or not. (If I were American, I'd probably feel different. And make no misake, I think America is one of the greatest nations on earth. Or was until recently...)

I do have a problem with your tirade against Israel and the Jews. You think Israel is the only country that's ever committed any kind of political atrocity? You think you're so smart and you think you've got this world all figured out by simply singling out one nation and one culture to blame for all your problems. How stupid is that !!!!!

I challenge you to name one political atrocity that your own government committed, for the sake of your nation. Show us how clever you really are.

I'll lead by example. My South African government sold out the Rhodesian government, and it's leader Ian Smith, in 1974. One could argue that all the white and black Zimbabweans that are dying from hunger right now under the leadership of black incompetence directly as the result of Vorster's actions. That's just one atrocity that I know of. I'm not even that clued up about South African history. I'm sure there are much worse stories. And America? Let's not kid ourselves about America's record of atrocities. Eben Barlow (founder of the PMC Executive Outcomes) reckons that the US was bribing Afghan warlods with viagra! This in a country where women are raped by their men on a daily basis -

http://eebenbarlowsmilitaryandsecurityblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/misunderstanding-enemy-with-viagra.html

No my friend, what dream world are you living in?!

Anonymous said...

CH,

You wouldn't know reason if it crashed on your head.

This tired and old media induced brainwashing technique claiming that any discussion of 9/11 is "disrespectful" makes absolutely no sense to me. How in god's name can trying to get to the facts be in any way disrespectful??!!

If I died in those buildings I would be cheering on anyone who had the balls to look into this with their eyes open.

And these loose change debunking films are typical mainstream media baloney. You can see how they try to get you to believe a bunch of crap using twisted logic.

Building 7 was a controlled demolition. Bottom line. Anyone who thinks that that was caused by fires is not fit to have a discussion with in any serious manner.

Watch Prothink's "9/11 Missing Links" and put two and two together.

FishEagle said...

I was just thinking after my last comment about which country I would consider the greatest nation on earth, since I believe America no longer holds that position due to it's politically correct ruling class. It would probably have to be Israel. It sure as hell isn't my own country, South Africa.

If Israel was responsible for 9/11 then they have blood on their hands and they need to own up to it. That still wouldn't change my opinion about Israel though.

I made these comments anonymously so I gain nothing as an individual by making them. But don't even think about accusing me of being Jewish. I once had a Jewish friend and that's my sum total of exposure to Jews, in person.

Max, Dunblayne said...

The truth about 9/11 will eventually come out, but it will be long after we are all dead.

But there's so much evidence contrary to the real story that there should be an investigation. Try these 'anomolies' for starters:

1. No steel building had ever came down due to fire before. Explosive squibs can clearly be seen coming out of the building as it collapses.
2. A third building which had not been hit and which was only partially on fire, mysteriously collapsed 5 hours after the twin towers. It housed the CIA offices and would be a perfect place from which to plan such an outrage.
3. The BBC broadcast the collapse of this third building 20 minutes before it actually happened.
4. There is no footage of any plane ever hitting the Pentagon.
5. Six of the people blamed on the suicide attacks are living in the Middle East.
6. The scar in the ground where the 4th plane supposedly crashed was there years before the event took place.

Krokodil said...

anon 12:25
Some of the comments you make are well put, but that doesn't change my mind on the basic stance that I have re: Israeli/Mossad responsibility for 9/11.

In describing conspiracy theory as "exciting" I used the wrong term. Intriguing would be a better word to use - the desire for the norm or standard version of events to be replaced by a closely guarded and outlandish secret truth.

You refer to everything as a conspiracy; well, then, to be more clear, I refer to grand conspiracy when discussing 9/11, JFK, UFO tales, Princess Diana etc. etc. And I am not wrong in saying that most of these (though not all) conspiracy beliefs are held by people on the political and social right or far right.

As for the Lavon affair and USS Liberty I know about those incidents already. With regards to the USS Liberty it is certainly interesting but not clear-cut as to a deliberate Israeli attack. I cannot, of course, say it wasn't the case, but I think the jury's still out on the matter.

In any event, we're discussing possible Israeli culpability for 9/11 and not these other issues. You refer several times to loads of circumstantial evidence for Israeli complicity, and then suggest that much of this constitutes hard evidence. Umm, well either it's circumstantial or hard evidence; it can't be both.

To repeat what I've said before: do I believe that the Israeli government or Mossad independently thereof carried out these attacks? No, call me naive, but I find that simply too far-fetched and unlikely a scenario.

9/11 has no doubt played into Israeli hands with regards to their own foreign policy agenda (seperate debate there), but that is NOT proof of their complicity. Pearl Harbour was just the good news that Britain needed but, of course, had zilch to do with Britain.

Once more, let me just say, show me the hard evidence and I'll be prepared to change my mind. Regardless of what you've written about my blinkered mind, I do believe that the truth should be made known - no matter how awkward or uncomfortable it may be. Seriously, though, I just don't you'll find it here.

Anonymous said...

Paul Craig Robers:

"An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let 'their' government get away with 9/11. Americans are too gullible, too uneducated, and too jingoistic to remain a free people. As another Nazi leader Herman Goering said, 'The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace-makers for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger.'"

Anonymous said...

Anyone that buys the offcial story on 911 seriously needs their head checked!

Alleged Hijackers turn up alive!
3 steel structured buildings collapse dues to fire (never happened before or since)!
No plane wreckage at the Pentagon
Steel from ground zero shipped out of the country to be melted down before investigators allowed access to the scene)
$15 mil spent on the investigation ($100 mil spent on investigating Bill Clintons affair with ML)!
Eye witness accounts of multiple explosions prior to the collapse of the towers (ignored by "investigation")
Over 400 days before the investigation was allowed to begin!
Bodies incinerated yet passports survive and are found in the debris!
Flight 93 shot down (since been admitted)!
Traces of thermite found in debris!
BBC & CNN report WTC7 has collapsed at least 20 minutes before it has (report form BBC shows WTC7 standing in the background as they report this LIVE)!
When was the last time to heard about Osama?
Wake up!

Anonymous said...

Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

Anonymous said...

The Simpsons and Microsoft agree with you!

*THUD!*

That was one heavy penny ...

Anonymous said...

I was in South Africa on the day of 9/11, when a buddy phoned me to turn on the TV ... quickly.

Well, even I realised that the whole world was about to change, radically.

Two days later, I saw a photo, in the local press, of a passport -- utterly undamaged and purporting to be of one of the hijackers -- sitting on a pile of rubble near ground zero.

The faint ringing of an alarm bell.

Then the report of a rental car at one of the take-off points containing a How-to-fly-a-Boeing-for-Dummies manual sitting on the passenger seat -- one assumes open at the chapter "Picking Your Building And Hitting It First Time".

It was at this point that I began to suspect that someone was taking the piss.

Then Jug-ears began to mention revenge on the terrorists and mention Saddam Hussein in the same sentence ... never actually tying the two together, but always conflating the so-called connection.

Now, the bells were really clanging.

Continually mentioning 9/11 and continually dragging Saddam into the same conversation, until, in the eye of the public the one welded to the other.

Then the demonization began.

I was waiting for reports of Saddam eating fried puppies for breakfast, and picking his teeth with the bones of Biafran babies while urinating on a holocaust memorial somewhere. Or making soap out of his opposition.

Imagine my astonishment when they actually strung the bugger up, which I feel was the biggest mistake they could ever have made.

Proof that a politician -- even a president -- *could* be executed ... and the sky would not fall.

A foolish example to set for the future, I feel.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Krokodil said...
anon 12:25
Some of the comments you make are well put, but that doesn't change my mind on the basic stance that I have re: Israeli/Mossad responsibility for 9/11.

Mr. Krokodil,
I assume your a man with some common sence. Not in the political sence, but jut commonsence.
There was a third building that went down on 911. Building seven. This is fact and it happened. I want you to watch this building fall in its own foot print. IN ITS OWN FOOTPRINT.
Keep in mind Sir this building was not hit by anything.
There is alot of spin out there, but this is the "clencher" for me.
After you watch the below video think about how, why and who had the means to DROP this building IN ITS OWN FOOTPRINT.
Also, remember this HUGE structure was not hit by antything!!
A mystery??
Arabs had access to this??
Or controlled Demolition, watch, and ignore the commentary. Use your god given commonsence!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQMhvCAYah4&feature=player_embedded#!

THE BUILDING WAS NOT HIT BY ANYTING!!

Anonymous said...

Re the Simpsons and Microsoft, they indulge in the classical feint and fuck ploy: Set up a strawman, come on, what could be more ridiculous than the Simpsons? - and then take it apart.

The issue that Savant raises about the overheard conversation and the celebrating students are much harder, if not impossible, to explain away. I for one have never heard any meaningful attempt to explain them.

Disgusted said...

Sorry, but you are all pathetic. Also rather stupid.

According to the Japanese bloke who built the twin towers, they were to withstand planes going into them and stand for an hour. This they did.

As for tower 7, if the brave Firemen say it fell in shock then indeed it did. I know the area very well the buildings are built on rock hence no need for deep foundations.

But there is no cover up, just plain facts. I have talked to many people over the years and now understand what happened.

You may want to get to your "Truth" but you never will.

BTW, have you seen Elvis lately????

Anonymous said...

Disgusted said...

"Sorry, but you are all pathetic. Also rather stupid."

Well, thanks for that, Cobber. As the girl in Big Bang Theory said:- "Oooh ... rush me to the
burn unit."

Disgusted then says ... well, quite a few things really, but few of any substance. Once again, I
quote:-

"As for tower 7, if the brave Firemen say it fell in shock then indeed it did. I know the area very well the buildings are built on rock hence no need for deep foundations.

But there is no cover up, just plain facts. I have talked to many people over the years and now understand what happened."

You lucky bugger. Allow me to direct you here ...

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/193105

Where among other things we See a few claims made by the National Institute of Standards and
Technology (NIST), the federal agency assigned to investigate the building collapses.

WTC 7 was a 47-story steel-framed high-rise 100 yards from the North Tower. Even though no airplane hit it, it collapsed rapidly and totally on 9/11, in the manner of a controlled demolition. Despite its suspicious collapse, the 9/11 Commission report does not even mention WTC 7. NIST left its analysis of the WTC 7 collapse until 2008, seven years after the events, long after all the rubble was destroyed. NIST claimed WTC 7 collapsed due to "normal office fires" which created a "new phenomenon" in high-rise catastrophes: collapse caused by thermal expansion of beams. NIST claims this caused the failure of a single column - the rest just followed.

This "new phenomenon" was shock, sympathy and a spirit of solidarity, one has to assume, like Disgusted's Tower 7.

We'll ignore the fact that over 100 steel framed buildings have suffered major fires in the last century, many much worse than WTC 7, yet these were the first to ever collapse.

End Part 1

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

9-11 Was an Inside Job Perpetrated by Elements of the U.S. Government and Israeli Mossad

Go to: http://www.bushstole04.com/

Anonymous said...

115 Failures of 9-11 Commission

at

http://www.bushstole04.com/911/911_index.htm

Anonymous said...

WTC 7 was a 47-story steel-framed high-rise 100 yards from the North Tower. Even though no airplane hit it, it collapsed rapidly and totally on 9/11, in the manner of a controlled demolition.

Uncle Nasty, please explain something to me:

Two jet airliners were used in the attack on Manhattan, and they hit WTC1 and WTC2 ... which fell rather spectacularly with massive loss of life. WTC7 collapsed several hours later, after the building had been evacuated, and was not hit by an aircraft.

So why did the nefarious plot by the Eeeevillll Bush Administration involve destroying WTC7?

It was useless and pointless as a terrorist target. The Evil Conspirators surely must have known that clear-thinking people like yourself would wonder "Why did this bulding collapse when no plane hit it?" (And please don't claim that another aircraft was in the original plan, but it was thwarted by the crash of Flight 93 -- WTC7 would have been an impossible target for a large aircraft, since it was surrounded by taller buildings.)

The investigators came up with a plausible reason for WTC7 to collapse: large tanks of fuel in the basement that burned unrestrained for several hours. But you reject that explanation! OK, then why did the Evil Conspirators deliberately decide to take down WTC7 when doing that could only raise questions?

Anonymous said...

For Disgusted ...

Part 2

The most interesting part was the discovery -- in the literally hundreds of tons of dust that blanketed Manhattan -- of particles of unignited nano-thermite. Ordinary thermite is an incendiary: it can burn through heavy steel in seconds. The tiny particles in nano-thermite (1/1000 the thickness of a human hair) causes a much faster reaction so it can be used as a high explosive. The discovery of nano-thermite in the WTC dust was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal in April 2009.

Shyam Sunder, NIST's lead investigator, denied that free-fall had occurred and stated that free-fall was incompatible with their analysis. He said, "... a free fall time would be an object that has no ... structural components below it...And that is not at all unusual because there was [emphasis in original] structural resistance that was provided in this particular case. And you had ... a sequence of structural failures that had to take place and everything was not instantaneous."

Unfortunately for Mr Sunder, video analysis showed conclusively that for 2.5 seconds (about 100 feet) WTC 7 *was* in complete free-fall.

However, a free-falling object cannot exert force on anything in its path without slowing its own fall, so the structural support had to be removed by something else - explosives or super-thermite.


End Part 2

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Blowing Disgusted out of the water ... Part 3

The temperatures of the fires present a problem for NIST's claim that fire alone was involved. The melting point of steel is about 2800° F. According to NIST's own documents, hydrocarbon fires (e.g., jet fuel and office furnishings) generate temperatures only up to about 2,000° F

Yet there was widespread evidence of molten iron in the rubble. Photos and numerous witnesses -- including Disgusted's fire fighters, cleanup crews, and structural engineers -- confirm the existence of several tons of molten metal under the debris. Some fire fighters described molten steel flowing like lava. Photos and videos clearly revealed molten metal dripping as material was being lifted by excavation equipment. This was *days* after the event.

If there is a way for Savant to publish pictures, I can send you an image of literal RIVERS of molten steel pouring out of one of the WTC buildings.

At least three independent laboratory analyses of the dust that blanketed Lower Manhattan after the destruction of the Twin Towers revealed the presence of iron-rich "microspheres." These spheres are formed when molten iron is sprayed into the air and forms droplets that cool before hitting the ground. The iron droplets indicate temperatures during the collapses much higher than hydrocarbon fires, in an explosive environment that could spray many tons of these droplets into the air.

In April 2002, the RJ Lee Company was hired to investigate environmental contaminants in the Deutsche Bank, across the street from the World Trade Center. It reports, "Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds, vaporized and then condensed during the WTC Event." The problem here is that lead vaporizes at 3200° F, some 1200° F hotter than is possible in hydrocarbon fires. A study of the WTC dust by the USGS for the EPA observed molybdenum-rich spheres that can form only above 4750° F.

End Part 3

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Kicking Disgusted in the ovaries ... Part 4.

Just to finish off ... a link to the wonderful world of thermites

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

and even more interesting ... nano-thermites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite

Remember the sparklers your folks used to give you on Guy Fawkes night, when you were too small to be entrusted with a real cracker?

Well, the grey crusty gunge that actually emitted the sparks was a very low-grade thermite.

Hey, Disgusted (... after all this time, may I call you Dis?)

Elvis says "Hi."

Arsehole.

Cheers to all,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

911 is a dangerous subject for those responsible and for those whom failed to alert.
I'am an American, 911 completely cahnged my nation. We lost freedoms, we lost many lives in attack and the on going wars following 911.
I happen to be in the camp of those who believe Israel had part of this. A MAJOR PART.
"Never Again" is a slogan used by jews in reference to the holoco$t.
I believe the jews, both in Israel and the US used this attack as a catalyst to start wars against their enemies, mainly Middle Eastern nations.
The reason for the deleted comments are from the great fear of the populous becoming aware of Israels role.
If this were known, a tidalwave of Americans would raise ALL OUT HELL.
The power of the jews here would be gone.
I hope this day comes in my life time.
The jew will move heaven and hell to prevent the truth to be known.
Jews allways lose in the end, their downslide usually begins with thier arrogance.

SAVANT said...

anon 22.14 say "If this were known, a tidalwave of Americans would raise ALL OUT HELL."

But that's exactly my point: The evidence is there before them, as delineated in my post. Enough Americans should know this, so why hasn't the word spread and the country exploded in rage. That's my question, and in a sense the comment stream here has gone a bit away from this central point and more towards the extent of the Israeli role.

Cyril Sneer said...

Hey, you're one good, informed and highly amusing writer UN!! Looking forward to more of your input!

Anonymous said...

ANONYMOUS at 21:07 asked a truly fascinating question.

"Two jet airliners were used in the attack on Manhattan, and they hit WTC1 and WTC2 ... which fell rather spectacularly with massive loss of life. WTC7 collapsed several hours later, after the building had been evacuated, and was not hit by an aircraft.

So why did the nefarious plot by the Eeeevillll Bush Administration involve destroying WTC7?

It was useless and pointless as a terrorist target."

It was, indeed. But ... very useful as a little income generator. A $500 000 000.00 net profit to, wait for it ... Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder. Some people just can't resist an opportunity.

As the man once said:- "Follow the money ..."

I direct you here:-

http://tiny.cc/k74wv

read it to the bottom.

A quote:-

Writing for Fox News, Jeffrey Scott Shapiro states, “I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.”

“Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.”

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties’ estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building’s collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.

Always, always, always follow the money.

If you like lots of boring (but highly illuminating) legal crap, go here:-

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/september-eleven/insurance-scam.htm

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Savant - much of the rest of the world has woken and smelled this particular brew of coffee. In answer to your question, this hasn't extended to the USA because we are dulled and midlead by the jewsmedia.

Notice the nkee-jerk hysterical reaction from the US polity and MSM when Ahm - whatever he is, the Iranian PM, - when he said what most people in the world - including Europe - already believe.

Anonymous said...

Just one other point. The debunkers of the "9/11 myth" always focus on the more easily challneged arguments. For myslef, I haven;t seen a single attempt to explain the cheering Israelis and the graveyard incident as described by you.

A telling omission, I believe.

Lone Ranger said...

They had me fooled, that is until I read where the 5 dancing/celebrating israelis had been arrested filming the towers prior to the collapses. The mossad agents reported to police they had been assigned to “document the event”. I knew this was a huge false flag operation carried out by traitors to America and operators recruited from several allies; Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Germany, England and israel all come to mind. Everyone needs to be as informed as possible so that when the tide turns and the Truth comes out, the real Patriots, those that love America will stand together to see that those who planned and carried out 9/11 will be brought to Justice for their crimes.

perplexed said...

In america, many people are afraid to mention the Israeli/Jewsih connection. For good reason, I might add. Look at this link where Jim Feltzer is interviewed by Bill O'Reilly. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,220500,00.html

All the emphasis is on the collapse of WTC 7, nothing about the myriad Israeli connections. And they blame George Bush, debunking which is just too easy for O'Reilly.

Somethimes I wonder are these truther interviews another kind of false flag operation like the one that took down the gtwin towers? They seem to pick those most easily discredited and the ones that never mention the Israeli/Jewish connection.

SAVANT said...

I'm going to sign off for the night now folks so no more comment moderation till morning.

Could I just repeat my question: Why, when the evidence that I cited shows beyond doubt that the Israleis knew in advance (at least that) why hasn't this raised the storm of protest that you'd expect?

Hope to see some more good insight on this!

Anonymous said...

SAVANT says:

anon 22.14 say "If this were known, a tidalwave of Americans would raise ALL OUT HELL."

"But that's exactly my point: The evidence is there before them, as delineated in my post. Enough Americans should know this, so why hasn't the word spread and the country exploded in rage."

Here's a theory, Savant.

In my otherwise miss-spent youth I travelled to Europe in the seventies, and, naturally, watched a bullfight in Barcelona.

All I retrieved from the experience was watching a creature placed -- for the first time in its life -- into an environment where an arrogant little pissant waved a cloth at it to confuse it, danced around in his faggoty little suit while he stabbed it with swords and guys on horseback shafted it with spears to distract it from the pissant ... all this, while a crowd of peons shrieked their approval.

Confused, bleeding, weakened, disoriented and confronted with an agonizing experience way beyond its comprehension and comparable with nothing in its own short existence, the bull has to, as it goes down, ask the bovine equivalent of "Why? Why Me???? What have I done to deserve this?"

We are that bull.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty.

Look on the bright side, though. Every now and then, a matador makes a bad move and receives a keratin colonoscopy ... like the Ceauşescu's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceauşescu

The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds ... the pessimist fears that this is indeed the case.

Anonymous said...

In response to your question of why hasn't all hell broken less here in the US.
As another comment above stated, its the JEW OWNED MEDIA. Its sounds simple, but its dead on.
America is a shallow country where "fads" are the rule of the day. The jew media innundates us with propoganda and sets the "fads".
We are barraged with crap on TV and the talk radio neocons. It is very unfashionable to question anything here. Simply put, its not "cool" to go against what we are told.
Stupid, yes, but true.
Only a hand full of people here really give a shit whats going on outside of their shallow lives.
On a positive note, the numbers of people coming out of their comfort zone is increasing.
The jew media is pushing so hard they are actually exposing themselves as of late.
I figure in few years the number of people who see the obvious will have an impact though. God can only hope.
But to wrap it all up, we are a nation of gullable self centered dults. The jews have made us(thru relentless demoralisation in the media) sexually and materially obesessed to the point where nothing else matters...

Hope this explanation helps, this is my view on this unpresidented level of stupidity here in the US..

SAVANT said...

Thanks guys for these last two explanations. I think they hit at the kernel of the truth. I still find it amazing though that when the causes of an earth-shattering even such as this seem to be 180 degree different to what's been assumed, you'd expect the masses to reach for their pitchforks in the attic.

But the same lobotomised reaction has been experienced on this side of the pond too, as I mentioned in the post.

Hopefully there will be an awakening.

Anonymous said...

It is amazing and sad to see. I think it speaks to the level of demoralisation in our culture.
Here in the states Whites dont have children anymore. A new car or new clothes is seen as a higher achievement than a healthy family with two parents in the home.
Our music industry is filled with violence, one cant watch TV here past ten o clock without graphic murder being shown.
I think its a culture of fear mixed with rage, to the point where curiousity and a normal thought process simply doesnt exist.
Where exactly America went wrong is anyones guess. Our leaders, both in the media and in government despise any who ask why or question their motives.
The system here has provided a good life for those who tow the liberal agenda. In the work place being a good liberal means your a good guy. Bringing up the obvious will leave you ostricised.
I guess its a group think mentality here. Just what the jew communist power brokers have been working on for years.
Guess what, its here and thats how they pulled off 911 without riots in the streets.
As a youth I went thru boot camp twice. The main objective was to break your mental weakness and push your mind to do the unthikable. When this is achieved things become easy to do and easier understand.
In America things are too easy and answers are served up very easy, and therefore believed without thought.
Anyhow I thank you for this post and I hope more people push thier minds abit further than what is within their comfort zone.
911 was a horrific crime that needs to be investigated.
And yes, Israel had a major role.

Heraclitus said...

anon 8.00. For me, you've answered the question fully. I almost feel I don't need to read any more on the subject. I just hope some semblance of justice will prevail.

Anonymous said...

Another theory, that, to me, makes a lot of sense, is the one espoused by the writer who calls himself D.A. Covington.

The overwhelming majority of us are totally, utterly ruled by the approval of the herd -- even to the point of our own destruction.

Terry Pratchett in his book "Interesting Times" wrote about the "Whips in the mind".

And if the herd is sufficiently controlled by the media, then they in turn control us. The Stockholm syndrome writ large.

This with a smattering of the Crab Bucket theory and the Tall Poppy syndrome, and we're all scroodled.

It takes a huge amount of energy to disagree all the time and NOT give in.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

kulak said...

Why, when the evidence that I cited shows beyond doubt that the Israleis knew in advance (at least that) why hasn't this raised the storm of protest that you'd expect?


The same reason the war continues, though probably most want out:

There are no consequences. It just doesn't affect people much, day-to-day.

Outside of frequent flyers.

I don't expect the war to end well.

When the war ends, THEN the penny will drop.

All's well that ENDS well.

It's the same in every area, the example most familiar to me being stocks.

Scandal doesn't cause decline of a company or stock.

Decline REVEALS -- makes popularly known -- scandals that had been going on all along and which any diligent person could have detected.

Robert said...

Savant,
Why would Israel knowing in advance create a storm of protest?
The fact that should create that storm is that our own agencies were told and should have known what was coming but were so fucking incompetent they missed what was placed right in front of their stupid noses. The mighty USA was fucked by a bunch of ragheads, that is what should produce a storm of protest.

Anonymous said...

“Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.”

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties’ estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building’s collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.


So let me get this straight ... You're saying that Larry Silverstein saw that his building was damaged, and whie it was burning rushed in and mined it with explosives to bring it down?

Or are you saying that Larry Silverstein planned the destruction of WTC7 in advance, placed explosive or thermite charges in the building before 9/11, and then, only after the building was critically damaged, did he think to call the insurance company to see whether they would cover it?

My God! Those crafty Jews!

Anonymous said...

perplexed said... on the 26 September 2010 23:07

In america, many people are afraid to mention the Israeli/Jewsih connection. For good reason, I might add. Look at this link where Jim Feltzer is interviewed by Bill O'Reilly.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,220500,00.html

Damn, I sorry I never looked at this before. Life's too short.

Even though, Feltzer attacks Bush as PERPLEXED says, rather than the israelites, It is a perfect storm of MSM straw man arguments, ad hominem bullying and dodging the core issue BY THE INTERVIEWER!

And the truly astounding thing is that the interview is NOT on a site attacking, or showing examples of, biased reporting, but is on o'Reilly's own site.

The most egregious example I've yet seen of MSM bluster, bullshit and obfuscation, and the bugger is proud enough of it to archive it. He is obviously looking for a job in government.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Rick said...

I truly believe, 9/11 was no surprise to Aerica's security services. Nor, to the inner dark circles of Richie Cheney's friends. George Bush was not one, that this type of planning could be shared! He was and will always be the dupe who sat in but was never part of the critical decesions group. A group that set America's course to Iraq and power brokering!

We will ever know he truth! Why? Because we are to small and insignificant, in a world of that is controlled by inner circles of; right, wealth and privilege! Where the games are well planned and the stakes, worth fighting for!

Anonymous said...

"24 hours inside the president's bunker"

A podcast interview on a first hand account of the events of 9/11 from inside the presidential emergency operations center:
http://toginet.com/podcasts/politicallycorrect/PoliticallyCorrect_2010-08-05.mp3?type=podpage

perplexed said...

@ Uncle Nasty: That's my point. BUt I think it goes beyond what you say. I'm suggesting that the MSM deliberately sets up weak straw men (is that a tautology?) and their subsequent roasting reinforces the prevailing argument that 9/11 truthers are whackos in the blogosphere.

Anonymous said...

ANONYMOUS 21:40 said:-

"So let me get this straight ... You're saying that Larry Silverstein saw that his building was damaged, and whie it was burning rushed in and mined it with explosives to bring it down?"

and:- "My God! Those crafty Jews!"

Actually, Nonny, I never said that at all ... you did. But thank you for supplying a neato example of a straw man argument. I was looking for one, and yours will do.

Here is a nice definition of one from (sigh) Wikipedia.

"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

BTW, yes, I am an anonymous poster too, but please, PLEASE stick some kind of handle on your posts, so I have a vague notion of whether or not you have posted before. Your sarcastic style is familiar, but not sufficiently exclusive for me to know exactly which anonymous I'm responding to.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty.

Oh, and, while I mind, being part of a subversive group is not being particularly crafty. It is merely being cold-bloodedly opportunistic, selfish and single-minded in your ambitions.

Which group would that describe, I wonder?

non-fantasist said...

The key flaw in your 'dancing Israelis' theory relates to timing. There is NO Evidence that the cameras were set up BEFORE the first attack. This is absolutely crucial - your whole case depends on this.

If in fact they were 'documenting the event' in terms of reacting to what happened, well, there's nothing wrong with that. That's what spies are for!

By the way, you guys still haven't told us whether you'd seen Elvis lately!

Louis IX said...

To me, that the Mossad is a direct beneficiary of 911, along with the jewish states, yes. That it knew or suspected a terrorist activity on US soil, possibly, like other inteligence services. That it directly organized it, no way. Too risky etc.
Could real terrorist organizations be partially infiltrated and manipulated by the Mossad to commit crimes?, why not, but I don't see whose jew would be crazy enough to physically infiltrate an islamic terrorist group.
But there are other ways than to physically infiltrate a group,
internet chat and paypal can be almost as good.
We still don't know in details how the 911 project took shape in the minds of the perpetrators of 911. No doubts these were arabs or at least muslims, but maybe the idea didn't come from them. "hey Hassan, who got the idea to highjack and fly kamikaze airplanes, you? No Mohammed, I thought it was you. Me? no, I got the idea chatting online with WarriorofAllah666..."
Obviously, we'll never know who is WarriorofAllah666 since Hassan, and Mohammed will be long gone in smoke before they can speak to an occidental intelligence service. So, that's it. Unless you find some hard proofs, the rest is speculations. Somebody who heard or saw something is not hard proof. Same for saying that the twin towers could not collapse. They did! proof that they could. Now you need tape record, pictures, videos or any material evidence and since there is no investigations, I think the trail is dead here.

It would be better to dig to the forgotten yellow cakes documents. There might still be a hot trail to follow and find out who forged them and how they were passed to the italian services. And there is ground to further investigations since officially, the US didn't go to war because of 911, but mostly because of the iraqi nuclear thread, some disapointed veterans could legally sue over the false allegations.

B Boru said...

Lious IX - what you say is eminently sensible. I especially like your idea of the indirect setup via internet chat sites. Most likley explanation I'd say.

RegThe Hedge said...

You could always head to Saudi and interview some of the muslims who were supposed to have taken part in the suicide attack. Half of the muslims who's photos appeared on TV accross the world are supposidly very much alive and kicking.

I'd start there.

Robert said...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2296490368603788739#



Zero: An investigation of 911



The best documentary, period.

Robert said...

Seeing is believing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clnozSXyF4k&feature=player_embedded

Robert said...

http://notinfallible.weebly.com/1/post/2010/12/a-visual-acuity-test-for-you.html

Robert said...

http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2011/01/israeli-security-firm-icts-helped.html

Not a surprise!

SAVANT said...

But why would all the airports retain them in that case??

Robert said...

Since ICTS handled airport security for 911 airports, and airport security for the shoe bomber airport, and 7/7 metro system(I think), and now Moscow; I think it is possible that they are the real Al Quaida. They were not involved with the Beslan school massacre. I don't know who did Bali. The key to any assassination is to remove the security (JFK) and to have a patsy.

SAVANT said...

Ok, but my question is why would the airports have this company in charge of security then? I can understand in America which is increasingly starting to resemble the legendary ZOG. But certainly in Russia this would not apply.

Robert said...

Which of the oligarchs controls the airlines i Russia?

Since the dissolution of the USSR, Aeroflot has been transformed from a state-run enterprise into a semi-privatised airline which ranks amongst the most profitable in the world.[7] Aeroflot is still considered the de facto national airline of Russia.[8]

Robert said...

Long discussion about 911. Israel did it. Jim Fetzer and Nick Kollerstrom.

Monday, May 10, 2010
Nick Kollerstrom

Israel and 9/11

http://preview.tinyurl.com/657r3pv

SAVANT said...

Robert - very interesting link (and liked the Beatles too!). My question is, how much exposure did this programme get? It says coast to coast, but how many people heard it? And what was the reaction?

Robert said...

Dear Savant

Alexa ranking for Fetzer radio is
3,634,548
ranking of Irish Savant is
7,430,840

SAVANT said...

Thanks Robert. Not huge exposure then. A wonder that IS appears at all given Google's banishmen t of the site!

James said...

Are there any actual sources for these anecdotes?

SAVANT said...

James. Not sure what you mean by anecdotes. Any of the facts referred to can be referenced by googling them.

Anonymous said...

http://www.bollyn.com/home

Anonymous said...

The FAA should of taken care of this years before it ever happened,the doors to the cockpit should of been designed to make it impossible for 911 to ever happened or a drunk from entering the cockpit.

Unknown said...

"Witnesses reported they were set up prior to the first plane strike, and were seen congratulating one another afterward. The five jubilant Israelis were also seen photographing one another. The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smoldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.

Self-evidently they knew in advance."

- I don't see a source for this, and the only sources I see are conspiracy websites. No names are named, and basically, the only "conclusive" thing you've mentioned is that 9/11 Troofers really are "kooky".

I would think the best thing to actually start this conspiracy rolling is to /actually/ name the Israelis involved, don't you think? Because aside from that, all of your "sources" come from strictly conspiracy websites, by worth of mouth. You admitted that you're not going to debate controlled explosions or whatnot, because that's all the Truthers can go on.

So some unnamed Jew overheard a conversation by Jews, and hence, 4,000 Jews were tipped off. This conspiracy is old and the Truthers have never, ever proved it; to them, any mention of Jew automatically means Israel did it.

9/11 is a deeply personal issue, but all I see here are a bunch of conspiracy nuts believing in the boogeyman. What /isn't/ a conspiracy to you guys?

Okay, so let's assume Israel was indeed behind it. It'd expect them to be a lot more subtle, and I don't think they'd scream "Allahu Ackbar" before the plan crashes.

Or I guess the plane crashes never happened, and that they were holograms, right?

If Jews did 9/11, why weren't they better airline pilots, and why didn't they strike lower? It'd do more damage.

Oh, that's right. I'm dealing with Truthers. Ya'll act like a bunch of Lefties. You all accept things at word of mouth without checking for yourself. IrishSavant, for someone claiming it was a Jewish conspiracy, you sure don't name names. Who's to say that story wasn't made up on 9/11 Truther websites?

And it probably was. There is a reason why everybody hates you, even the MSM. It's because you don't shut the fuck up and don't don't think for yourselves.

Clearly, to all prove you guys aren't sheeple...you are going to all say the exact same thing, like sheeple.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Have a carrot.

Searcher said...

This is gas....
Article from the JTA (Jewish Telegrpahic Agency) regarding the rise in anti-semitism in Italy/Europe, back in 1990.

And the reasons for anti-semitism:

"He then enumerated the roots of anti-Semitism in three sources: Catholic teachings prior to the reforms of the Second Vatican Council 25 years ago; secular racist laws throughout Europe and enforced segregation of Jews that gave rise to pogroms; and ultimately the Holocaust."

Yup that makes a lot of sense alright... happy opposite day:-)

http://www.jta.org/1990/07/17/archive/rise-in-anti-semitism-in-italy-prompts-warning-from-leaders-by-ruth-e-gruber