Sunday, 29 August 2010

I'm with the pessimists

If you’ve been reading the comments to the previous few posts you’ll have noticed something of a debate going on about the future of western civilization, between what we might call optimists and pessimists. In essence, the optimists’ argument is that whites have taken so much crap and abuse in recent decades that the backlash is coming. The pessimists on the other hand argue that things have gone too far, that we’re in a irrecoverable death spiral.

I reluctantly have to agree with the pessimists.

A bit of context: If western people had been told, say forty years ago, that their countries would, within a couple of decades, be overwhelmed by unassimible Third world immigrants, that they would be forced to give preferential treatment to such immigrants in jobs, housing, education and welfare, that their freedom of speech would be drastically curtailed, that their taxes would go on welfare for these interlopers, that they’d be bombarded day and night by demeaning anti-white hate speech – had they known this, what would have happened?

Had they been told the truth there would have been riots in the streets and mass mobilization against this destruction. Ok, in Britain Enoch Powell did tell them, but as we know he was howled down, vilified and ridiculed to a degree which shattered his credibility with the proverbial man in the street.

So my point here is that, not only have all those things happened, but whites have more or less quietly acquiesced all the way along. Why should they/we suddenly rise up against it now?

In fact the converse – that we’ll become even more supine - is a far more likely outcome. Bear in mind that the MSM has been totally taken over, as have our education systems. Thus our young people will have known nothing but a diet of pro-black, pro-Muslim propaganda, supplemented with a corresponding programme of white vilification. I know so many white people who actually hate whiteness and Westernness – all the things that define them and provided them with such an advantageous social structure and lifestyle.

Are these zombies going to lead the fight back? And even if by some miracle they did, would they not be vilified, shouted down, ridiculed (cf. Enoch Powell) fired from their jobs? Don't hold your breath.

I don't have to belabour the point for readers here that whole areas of the west have been utterly transformed from being almost totally white, peaceful, wealthy and tolerant into dystopian Third World hell-holes in an incredibly short time. Detroit, Trelleborg, inner London, outer Paris… I could go on for ever. Point is, whites allowed this to happen. And it shows no signs of stopping. If anything, the PC multi-culti insanity gets stronger by the day.

Add in demographics. White birth rates have plummeted, while the rates for immigrant populations soar. Such demographics show whole cities, and possibly even countries, becoming minority white within a couple of generations. What happens then? The colonisers will have ‘legitimate’ democratic power. And we know the rest.

The only thing that might do the trick is a truly massive and prolonged economic downturn. Harsh medicine I know, but I do hope it happens. It would of course affect my Savantettes as much as anyone else, but I'd choose it – without hesitation – before the continued destruction of our societies.

Now, any optimists still out there?

111 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sad to say but the only thing that might save us is if there is a massive attack in a western city within the next couple of years.

Perhaps, if recent evidence is anything to go by, that will be *our* fault as well.

Ed

beppo said...

exactly Savant:either economic meltdown or the sharp shock of nuclear attack from some or any faction.

Anonymous said...

The future will be set up nicely for Charlton Heston to come from the past and see a coffee-coloured, mongrelised, world of ape-creatures, enslaving the last of the subjugated Europeans.

If it's too late already, why should he bother?

Anonymous said...

I'm with you on this Sav. The analogy is the slow boiling of a frog. Too late when he finds out....

missingwmd said...

"If it's too late already, why should he bother?"

Don't know about you, but I worry for my kids, and for their kids when they have them.

Anonymous said...

Very poignant and distressing editorial,Savant. You've really put me into a contemplative frame of mind.

Anonymous said...

Very poignant and distressing editorial,Savant. You've really put me into a contemplative frame of mind.

Anonymous said...

A question for the wealthy elites that support non-western immigration. Will you be better off in a country without an ethnic majority?

Or, looking at it another way, is the top 10 percent of the population in Brazil richer (and safer) than the top 10 percent of the population of the U.S ? If not perhaps you mind want to reconsider your active or tacit support for changing first world western countries into third world countries.

Remember, money talks, the future is in your hands.

Anonymous said...

america went through a revolution, civil war. civil rights fight, 2 world wars, and vietnam and we came out stronger then we went in, and after the 2nd world war we helped defeated nations regain strenght to come back.the marshall plan, and american pvt. industry rebuilt japan and germany,if any other country canada included had our problems they would have shifted to ethnic enclaves in their own countries ala bosnia and the french speaking ppl of canada who dont speak english unless they are trying to sell you something, all in all the usa isnt so bad when it comes down to the thruth and when was the last time you heard of americans climbing the fence to flee into mexico.

Anonymous said...

I am inclined to be optimistic ... but I don't think you're going to like my brand of optimism.

What is the thing that anyone living today fears most? The very most?

Death?

No, not really. I believe that death does not frighten people that much because, deep in their hearts, people accept death as utterly inevitable and that we are all in the same boat.

Realistic people, anyway -- it's only greenies who feel (to paraphrase Frank Zappa) that if they can only get rid of cigarette smoke and underdone steak, that they will live forever.

Death comes to us all. Except in the case of Terry Pratchett's "Mort" of course ... but that's another story.

How about a terrible wasting illness?

Perhaps. But, once again, we are inclined to be sanguine about it. From time to time we visit really ill or even terminal friends in the hospital or see those poor quadriplegic buggers in shopping malls, on fully-automated wheelchairs --

claw-like hands, tangled feet and probably adult diapers -- getting around by tapping a touch-screen with a wand held in the mouth.

First thought: Poor bastard (or bitch). Second thought: Thank fuck it's not me. Third thought: I must drive more carefully - or it could be. Fourth thought: Ooohh ... they've got a special on at Noel Leeming. Eight Gig flash drives at $9.99.

Okay. What else could terrify us? Sudden unearned poverty?

Once again, not really. A good deal of us have lived with the spectre of unemployment or poverty for a good chunk of our adult lives. Not exactly unexplored territory -- thanks to the socialist state.

So ... what then?

What is the icy terror that stops us dead in our tracks? I'll tell you what it is -- the disapproval of the herd ... of the tribe.

The notion that you will step out into the street one morning, rifle under arm, black flag in hand and packed lunch in your bum bag and shout "Let's get the fuckers!!!" (to paraphrase H.L. Mencken)

... and that everyone -- including your big mouth buddies who drunkenly agreed with you on Saturday night will go white with
terror and say "Shhhh! Not so loud ..."because the eternally righteous who call themselves "society" will point the finger
at you and hiss "Racissssss nahtzeee ..."

we fear the mob, pointing the finger at us. That is what we really fear.

Being on our own. Being the first.

But ... what happens when the approval of the mob no longer matters to you? When you have been called a nazi or a racissss
so often, that it means nothing?

(end part 1)

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

I am inclined to be optimistic ... but I don't think you're going to like my brand of optimism.

What is the thing that anyone living today fears most? The very most?

Death?

No, not really. I believe that death does not frighten people that much because, deep in their hearts, people accept death

as utterly inevitable and that we are all in the same boat.

Realistic people, anyway -- it's only greenies who feel (to paraphrase Frank Zappa) that if they can only get rid of

cigarette smoke and underdone steak, that they will live forever.

Death comes to us all. Except in the case of Terry Pratchett's "Mort" of course ... but that's another story.

How about a terrible wasting illness?

Perhaps. But, once again, we are inclined to be sanguine about it. From time to time we visit really ill or even terminal

friends in the hospital or see those poor quadriplegic buggers in shopping malls, on fully-automated wheelchairs --

claw-like hands, tangled feet and probably adult diapers -- getting around by tapping a touch-screen with a wand held in the

mouth.

First thought: Poor bastard (or bitch). Second thought: Thank fuck it's not me. Third thought: I must drive more

carefully - or it could be. Fourth thought: Ooohh ... they've got a special on at Noel Leeming. Eight Gig flash drives at

nine, ninety-nine.

Okay. What else could terrify us? Sudden unearned poverty?

Once again, not really. A good deal of us have lived with the spectre of unemployment or poverty for a good chunk of our

adult lives. Not exactly unexplored territory -- thanks to the socialist state.

So ... what then?

What is the icy terror that stops us dead in our tracks? I'll tell you what it is -- the disapproval of the herd ... of the

tribe.

The notion that you will step out into the street one morning, rifle under arm, black flag in hand and packed lunch in your

bum bag and shout "Let's get the fuckers!!!" (to paraphrase H.L. Mencken)

... and that everyone -- including your big mouth buddies who drunkenly agreed with you on Saturday night will go white with

terror and say "Shhhh! Not so loud ..."because the eternally righteous who call themselves "society" will point the finger

at you and hiss "Racissssss nahtzeee ..."

we fear the mob, pointing the finger at us. That is what we really fear.

Being on our own. Being the first.

But ... what happens when the approval of the mob no longer matters to you? When you have been called a nazi or a racissss

so often, that it means nothing?

(end part 1)

Uncle Nasty

Bemused stare said...

Two things here. One is the frog in a pot that a previous poster mentioned. The second is the "me generation" thing. People have changed and no longer care for others as they used to. If it does not effect them directly, they simply don't care.

Henry IX said...

anon 4.29. All of what you say is true but the challenge we now face is fundamentally different in that the VERY NATURE of the people that achieved such things is changing. It won't be the same people and in fact will contain a huge and growing percentage which actually hates the what's left of 'normal' Americans.

Californian said...

Room for optimism? Consider the Internet, and how it has allowed race realists to gather in a common forum and bandy about ideas. And to keep themselves informed about things in places such as the new South Africa. If race realists exploit the new technologies, then they have a chance.

You can already see this with the collapse of the mainstream media in the face of Internet reporting and alternative media blogging. So there are plenty of possibilities.

Anonymous said...

@ bemused stare. Agreed, but sure as hell they'll start caring once it catches up with them. But then it'll be too late.

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:29 said:

[A]merica went through a revolution, civil war. civil rights fight, 2 world wars, and vietnam and we came out stronger then we went in...,

This must come from the NeoCon school of history. The government came out of these events more powerful and more centralized. In every case (including the revolution), the social and political fabrics were weaker and more disorganized.

Anonymous said...

As the Money Power consolidates it's political puppets, the hatred and genocide of whites will only accelerate, as in Rhodesia. They have control of most of the media, and can and do brainwash sufficient whites to accept and even celebrate their own demise.

What we may need is a dictator, an opposite of Robert Mugabe.

http://67.19.89.98/~rwest/re4_longest_hatred.htm

Jack Quinn said...

Hell Savant, why don't you just go ahead and shut down your blog before Google does it for you.

Your offering is 8 paragraphs of navel-gazing and hand wringing and one paragraph of Peggy Lee's "Is That All There Is?"

Listen up...I'm a retired U.S. Federal Gov't employee and I can state categorically and authoritatively that the taxpayers never get their money's worth and leviathan simply grows larger. On the morning I retired I drove 3 days due west until I reached the Rocky Mountains. I now live in an area that is 70+% registered Republicans. Good people live here - over 95% white. Most honor the memory of the old America but know that it is gone. We are mostly "preppers" here and our comfort lies in living well (the best revenge!), loving our friends and families and when dealing with the inevitable intrusion by the government by reacting with contempt and slight regard. I make no secret of my resolve to ignore if possible and resist if necessary: Molon Labe.

Louis IX said...

About the 'If they were told 40 years ago...'
YES they were told, Powel in GB, LePen in France, probably others too. Yes these men were vilified, but by who? The medias and the leftists, i.e: the Jewish Lobby as this lobby is a leader in the leftist movments.
We have to go back to that time. What these men, Powel and Lepen were talking about, was Nationalism, because they still saw their countries as Nations with all what's implied: Control of the borders, the economy, the demography, the culture. Jews abhore Nationalism (when they don't control it) and saw the thread coming. They never were FOR supporting immigration, they were AGAINST the nationalism associated with these political movments.
Surely they were right in some extend: a more nationalist France or Great Britain would mean a diminution of jewish power, certainly, but not pogroms and deportation. Perhaps the risk was too high for jewish politicians or businessmen who would have lost inpunity. Their support to immigration was only a side effect. They never intended to induce a population replacement. They put this in the balance: Fight Nationalism versus let immigration flood the european contries.
So they fought the nationalist ideas on everyground, including immigration. And that was easy
since the 70s were only 30 years awway from the war, you only had to say Powel or Lepen were nazis to induce a psychological blocage in the many people who had suffered from the war. These people could not vote for lepen anymore, no matter how close he was to them. Nationalism was beaten, but the doors of immigration were left open.
Now, you don't need a conspiracy to do that. Dominic Strauss Kahn probably never phonecalled Michel Drucker (a prominent TV show anchor who has millions in his audience) to ask 'Michel, do not invite the Lepens in your show because he is bad for us', no, Drucker, as funny and entertaining as he is, is certainly not a bad man. But he had his gut feelings and declared one day, on his own, that he would never invite a Lepen on his show, (while he had no problems inviting the Trostkiste Besancenot), which translated into millions more immigrants in France. And every day was a day like that. The elite is the problem, not the immigrants.

40 millions immigrants later in Europe, the elite obviously regrets the unintended consequence of their acts. More and more, you can see this elite calling itself 'We europeans' in Europe, or 'neocons in the US, trying to castigate muslims and manipulate popular movments, even nationalist movments. And that's not the first time they try to infiltrate nationalist movments:
From 'A History of the Jewish People, by leading scholars at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem,
Haim Hillel Ben-Sasson'
page 943 '...people of jewish origin, such as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Sverdlov and many others were prominent among the leaders of the Russian Bolshevik revolution. Jews were also extremely active in the socialist parties that came to power or attained importance in many European Countries... The ranks of the revolutionary parties were swelled by many young Jews who at first had tended toward Nationalist aspirations but had been caught up in the catch words of universal human brotherhood, or who were disillusioned by the limited success of the Nationalist movement'

kulak said...

Our task is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what lies clearly at hand.

Most "optimism", just like pessimism is just an excuse to sit in your ass.

The PC gulag has a fatal flaw.

It requires whites.

Uncle Nasty -- you're right on.

Hector said...

Didn't see what Uncle N was getting at originally. Yes, a good point.

SAVANT said...

In response to Jack Quinn: I think your conflating realistic analysis with defeatism. We don't get anywhere by burying our heads in the sand and assuming that somebody will do something.

In your own case you've retreated to a white enclave, which enjoys all the benefits of white civilisation. This is a sensible move from your perspective and I truly wish you and yours well.

But the operative word here is retreat. You have in effect abandoned your home teritory to blacks and Hispanics. This might be a solution for you, but it sure as hell no solution for the white race or western civilisation.
What about your children and their children?

We all know that when left to their own devices hispanics and especially blacks will destroy civilisation. When that happens they come after the whites again, and start moving into white commuities.

And this brings me back to the main point of my post: As long as multiculti mass-immigration PC rules, whites won't be able to create - and maintain - enclaves of their own. There will be, as in your case, a retreat to smaller and smaller areas until there's little left.

So, given that you've found a solution for yourself, can you enlighten us as to what we pessimists should do?

Louis IX said...

Well, yes. After what has been said here, if you can't fight then the only reasonable goal for pessimist Whites should be to make as few kids as they can, or even not at all. Since that happens already, the solution is on its way for the pessimists.

Notice that David Lane was right, everything is a consequence of racial sexual selection. If Blacks could not biologically conceive with Whites, there would be no problems at all. Unfortunatly Nature seems to be very soft regarding the barrier of intraspecies reproduction. Tiger and Lions put together will fight to the death to possess the females. They seem to know that reproduction is still possible between the two species. I've seen videos where tigers and Lions are kept together (by sick people in what is the chinese modern version of coq fighting) and Lions take a serious beating from the Tigers. The Lioness stay with the tigers and doesn't dare to move away. Of course, if those two different species were not interfertile, they obviously would not fight for females. Perhaps they would still fight for food or territory, but that would not be as bad.

Anonymous said...

Uncle Nasty rant (part 2)

For those of you who have not already seen them, I recommend the reading of a series of short novels by a writer who calls himself H.A. Covington.

Set in America and in an indeterminate near future, the series tells of a tiny group of unashamedly white people who decide to get their country back.

The style of the writing is sometimes indifferent, and like most unedited writers, Covington often gives the reader too much information in large undigestible chunks, but the stories do move at a rollicking speed. They also commit the ultimate crime of saying out loud what many people can only think.

The point of this ramble, is that the people in Covington's novels are just like you and me ... utterly dispossessed.

White, male, heterosexual and usually over forty; they don't exist -- or deserve to, for that matter. Voting fodder, racial scapegoats, objects of scorn and derision and limitless cash cows.

But one morning, they are pushed just a tad too far, they decide that they have nothing to lose anyway and begin an (initially) disorganised and fragmented resistance.

Which blossoms into the second civil war.

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Uncle Nasty rant (part 3)

Like the first Civil War, the protagonists seek to secede from America ... taking with them four or five of the northwestern states and found an independent republic for white people only. (never mind the crap about freeing the slaves -- that was PR pure and simple.)

Most of all, though, the protagonists merely insist on their right to call a nigger a nigger and to hell with anyone who is offended by it. Freedom of speech ... the way it used to be.

The most telling point of the stories is that, when you have absolutely nothing to lose, which path do you take?

Impossible scenario? Insane racism? Unhinged Nazis?

Right now, maybe.

Two, three, maybe four years fom now ... who knows?

For those one or two of you who may be interested, a good deal of the Covington novels can be downloaded for free as PDF files. I also recommend "Camp of the Saints" by Raspail and "Mister" by Alex Kurtagic and Tomislav Sunic ... both available from Amazon.US, along with a few of the Covington books.

Do a search in the books section.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty.

PS. My apologies for posting in bits and pieces, but I keep getting a message that my posts are too big so I have to break them up.

UN

Leon said...

One idea/question: how best can we further the development of a Pan-European genetic nationalist movement? What we need is pro-white internationalism. This is obviously not a new idea, but does there exist any international pro-white organization? Could one be created? I’m thinking of something that transcends borders, and specific nationalisms. An international white brotherhood, not simply an alliance of nationalist parties. Say, The Leonidas Legion. The Indo-European League. Or just the Aryan Legion, the Occidental League/brotherhood/whatever.

Note how the Jews jealously protect the interests of their own everywhere, not just in their own countries and Israel. We need some international organization which can be similarly internationally active, but which would also serve as an international social club of sorts. A place of refuge in major cities around the world, with the ability to recommend amenities, provide emergency legal or banking referrals, etc.

If we aren’t just blowing endless hot air, we all have to get out of cyberspace and into things in the actual world. Just some thoughts from someone who’s been thinking for decades, but wants to start doing.

Anonymous said...

Your description of Covington's writings is totally accurate. A bit amateurish but a great read nonetheless.

Anonymous said...

This may surprise you, but a read of Lenin's 'What must be done' provides some very useful guidelines. Not so much on the specific steps, but on how such a campaign should be managed and co-ordinated.

Anonymous said...

While we're on books.

Many years ago, I bought a little book called "Bureaucrats: How to Annoy Them." Alright, at 96 pages, it was quite a slender little volume and is now out of print (I think) but packed with useful and genuine tips on how to make the life of a bureaucrat a living hell.

http://tiny.cc/u2qia

I used this book to fight the South African Tax department (Receiver of Revenue) to a standstill. All on me ownsome. No shit. My accountant was amazed.

I was so enthralled with the success of this that I literally saw the world with new eyes. Talk about a revelation. Lefties have used the techniques of the cockroach and the termite to undermine the western construct for over a hundred years, now.

We can use them too. To begin with.

Take the trouble, find this book and read it. It is a little gem ... and it works.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Just as a matter of interest, on another thread on SAVANT's blog I posted a comment on what Albert Schweitzer said on the mentality (hah!) of negroids.

Well, I found the original quote recently published on (wait for it) the H.A. Covington website.

Weird coincidence, no?

"I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all White men who have lived here like I have must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the mental or emotional abilities to equate or share equally with White men in any functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring unto them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: White the superior, and they the inferior. For whenever a White man seeks to live among them as their equals, they will destroy and devour him, and they will destroy all his work. And so for any existing relationship or any benefit to this people, let White men, from anywhere in the world, who would come to help Africa, remember that you must maintain this status: you the master and they the inferior, like children whom you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you."

-Dr. Albert Schweitzer

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

PJ said...

If you are punished for acknowledging racial differences, sooner or later you will become homogenized in your attitudes and then homogenized in your breeding habits.

And the middle class will dissolve in a wave of brownness and the elites will rule a polymorphic underclass fed on the cheapest of the cheap in everything from food to entertainment.

Anonymous said...

I'm an American, Southern. There is no way around it, the only way is a complete breakdown. I want to see justice so I pray the breakdown comes quickly. It will come. The media is now pushing the spin that we have 10-20 years of economic stagnation. The idea is to prep us for a Japanese experience. That won't work here, we do not have the social cohesiveness of Japan. Eventually it will collapse.

kulak said...

Savant asks: So, given that you've found a solution for yourself, can you enlighten us as to what we pessimists should do?

Savant, I'm surprised.

Are you asking for marching orders? :))

Anonymous said...

I really really recommend you go here:-

http://captainranty.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to this ...

The EU And The UK: A Sordid Little Tale

and spend ten or twenty minutes reading it.

If this does not frighten the living poo-poo out of you, nothing will.

Cheerful bugger, Aren't I?

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Californian said...

YES they were told, Powel in GB, LePen in France, probably others too.

George Wallace in the USA...

Zngr said...

Recently in Finland the former cabinet strong arm of the Finnish Social Democrats joined forces with the center-left, populist True Finns party (often called right-wing by inept journalists). True Finns landed 9.8% of the votes in the last EU-elections and are poised to gain even more in the next parliamentary elections of 2011. 85% of True Finn voters, by the way, think Finland should curb immigration and the party leadership is quite aware of this.

True Finns are also routinely called xenophobic, that it contains dangerous racist extreme right-wing elements, who in turn threaten free speech (by saying uncomfortable truths, so that the public prosecutor must deem truth a criminal offense - the youth wing of the Green Party actually used this as a logical argument against the horrible "right-wingers"... instead of an argument against public prosecution gone haywire which is hilarious), sexual and racial minorities, and all the typical left-wing liberal MSM shit.

The former socialist superlobbyist in question, Matti Putkonen, also wrote down in support of a recent immigration manifest published by a dozen or so of True Finn and other public or known immigration and multiculturalism sceptics. In fact, he thinks the manifest should use even harsher language.

The manifest basically calls for a stop on dublin-case "asylum seekers" or those without documents [Explanation: 80%-90% have none because they destroy their documents - so that the officials have to make decisions based on a story alone with humorous results. For example, one asylum seeker was found out to be a born Swede, and I don't think we need further proof the system is being abused for economic purposes.] A stop to family re-unification as it operates now, a stop to multiculturalism as a policy immediately and a completely revamped integration system among other things.

He went on in public to say that if opposing hauling third world immigrants to Finland on tax payers expense is racist, then he is a racist.

What does this mean and why am I telling you this?

Zngr said...

I posted in the past that one doctor Jussi Halla-aho quit being afraid of the mob pointing a finger and calling him a racist. He's been in the court since for blasphemy (against Islam), for inciting against an ethnic group (failed on that charge), investigated for inciting rape (nothing such was found), and his whole material has been combed by the police in a desperate attempt to make something stick. He is also a chosen candidate of the TF for the next parliamentary elections. He was prosecuted exactly to eliminate him as a potential candidate but the plan organized by the ministry of interior failed. Ha ha!

Anyway, after Halla-aho began his stinging verbal onslaught against the lunacy of multiculturalism and took the first hits, championing the the cause one might say, many others soon followed suit, like the (homosexual) philosopher Jukka Hankamäki whose scathing assault against socialism, feminism and the cult of sentimentalism and victimhood is both entertaining and terrible, professor Timo Vihavainen who targeted the whole Finnish intelligentsia as bunch of cowards and liars and on. Like in Sweden, the Finnish internet and blogosphere has been on fire for years, critizising our political elite for unnecessarily inflicting us with multiculturalism and unleashing a Somali horde upon a population who never voted for it amongst other things.

I'm trying to say to some extent, somewhere in Europe, being called a racist, xenophobe or an islamophobe has lost it's power. The enemy (call it the leftist intelligentsia, the liberals, multiculturalists, whatever) have lost control of the war on words. Suddenly in Finland there seems to be immigration critics everywhere. Other parties, fearing a massive defeat, are finally joining in. I wanted to show you persons of real political power and merit are starting to either abandon their multicultural pretenses are are finally speaking their minds. The state bureaucracy and the Ministry of the Interior are still controlled by a squad of socialist and multiculturalist hacks but can they really continue their policies when public opinion against it is gathering this kind of momentum?

SAVANT said...

kulak - a hypothetical question on my part!! Me and marching orders never got on too well together !

Zngr said...

I for one laugh at the face of accusations of racism and am willing to debate anyone I meet at the drop of a hat. Unlike in Sweden, there is no violent fringe left-wing who will firebomb my house, stab True Finn candidates or attack the house of a judge who rules against immigrants gaining entry, so there isn't even physical fear involved, only the MSM mentality but nobody is alone in this anymore. A blogger who received severe fines was bailed out by other like-minded, politically incorrect thinkers who paid the fines for him.

Denmark has done this in the field of politics and taken it much further (Dansk Folkeparti). It is, of course, easier in a small country with fewer "problem" immigrants (say, 10% or less) like Denmark and I hope Finland but I can see a pattern that might emerge elsewhere given time.

The economic recess might be a blessing, exactly like Savant says. In fact it could be our last chance before the options dwindle to ones including violence. Mass immigration and multiculturalism are currently being funded by Chinese loans. In Finland, immigration was the past two decades marketed as a way out of a looming labour crisis (along as promoting "multiculturalism", supposedly a good on itself, oddly without further explanations given apart from a greater variety of restaurants and dishes). Yet even a cursory glance at unemployment tables will reveal immigration from any Third World country is not a profitable business and certainly does not relieve the dwindling potential support ratio of aging EU-countries in the least, in fact, it makes matters far worse. For example in Finland, less than 20% of the Somalis who live here are even included in the workforce (in the other hand, 75% of work-age Finns are) and even of those only 40% are employed (that roughly means for every nine idle Somali, only one works). In UK, only 17% of Somalis are employed. Less than 40% of Irakis, Bangladeshi or Iranians are, same numbers as in Finland. In Malmö, Sweden, 70% of the Muslim population is unemployed and so on.

The voters in Finland have been slowly made more aware of the cost of immigration and they also know Finland is taking massive loans to support it's public expenditure while hundreds of thousands of former tax payers are unemployed and in the end it's all out of their pensions. Furthermore the labour crisis explanation for immigration is hardly convincing at this point (and in fact never was to those who know their demographics, the actual workforce in Finland will only drop with 3%-5% by 2050 and people stay healthier for much longer, human adaptation and automatization will cover for the rest). I have a gut feeling the voters don't accept multiculturalism and mass immigration as intrinsic values anymore.

youghal05 said...

This is wonderful news Zngr - may Gog grant that it continues and grows. This is also in line with the book wortieen by that German Central Bank guy, which has shot to the top of the best sellers. His attitude - god how we need this - is 'if that makes me a racist, well go ahead and call me one'.

THAT is the attitude we need.

Anonymous said...

Read that link Uncle N. Scary indeed. I take it then that you've joined the ranks of the pessimists?

Anonymous said...

"The future will be set up nicely for Charlton Heston to come from the past and see a coffee-coloured, mongrelised, world of ape-creatures, enslaving the last of the subjugated Europeans."

LOL! well said.. the director was a visionary as was H.G. wells who wrote "The Time Machine"

"Books? what are books??"

bahnhoff str. said...

Let's hope you're right zngr. It does seem that the Finns are stirring in their slumbers.

This issue of bringing in immigrants to support an ageing population. Well, as you say, most of them are unemployed. But even if they worked, have they discovered the secret of eternal youth, or will they become age-based dependents as well?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Read that link Uncle N. Scary indeed. I take it then that you've joined the ranks of the pessimists?

31 August 2010 09:12

I think you could call me a bloody-minded realist ... hope for the best, but expect the worst.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

kulak said...

@Uncle Nasty

RE: Captain Ranty

This highlights the great thing about Obama.

Americans finally have an enemy in the white house who doesn't LOOK like a friend.

maryland guy said...

From the States - I sense a real sea-change in attitudes to BHO and 'progressives' in general. People are saying we showed our lack of racism by elected a black as POTUS, now tell the race hucksters to take a hike.

Exegesis said...

I pray for atomic war. THAT is all that will save us. An economic downturn will fracture whites more and embolden the rest who aren't dependent on work for their well being anyway. It just mashes the accelerator on the wealth transfer. Plus, numerous studies show that whites have fewer babies in downturns - thirdworlders aren't much affected though.

Robert said...

Goodbye David Lane
Saga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpJlrsBH4_g

Robert said...

Arrived in Paris this morning. The train into the city had 20% white passengers. A gypsy female cursed me for not giving her money while I was eating brunch at an outdoor cafe. There are still a lot of pretty you white women. 1/3 were with Blacks. Many were pushing strollers with mixed race children.

malthus said...

PESSIMISTS RULE!!!

Anonymous said...

kulak said...

@Uncle Nasty

RE: Captain Ranty

This highlights the great thing about Obama.

Americans finally have an enemy in the white house who doesn't LOOK like a friend.

Brilliantly put, Kulak. Know thine enemy.

Regarding my defining myself as a bloody-minded optimist, I think some clarification is in order.

I hope for the best and work for the best ... but I never miss an opportunity to stock up on discounted 7.62 X 39.

Invest in metals.

The pretty, shiny ones like gold and silver are great to have as trade goods ... but the practical ones like steel, brass and lead help you keep the pretty ones.

How many readers are aware that socialist President Franklin D. Roosevelt (yes, him) passed a decree on April 5, 1933 simply confiscating ALL privately held gold?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_confiscation_order

That was nearly eighty years ago -- any bets on it not happening again?

By some strange and inexplicable coincidence, Roosevelt also passed the National Firearms Act on 26 June 1934 -- 14 short months later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

I'd also point out that Roosevelt managed to serve until his untimely* death in 1945, actively lengthening the 1929 depression until the beginning of WWII.

Pretty good track record of destruction for a crippled white guy.

Imagine the havoc that Chairman Zero could wreak -- given enough time.

*I should point out that my definition of "untimely" may differ from most.

I would regard timely as 1935 .. along with a few hundred crogresscritters. Preferably necklaced.

That would keep the fuckers honest.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Croesus said...

Yes, it's one of the great urban legends that Roosevelt ended the Depression. It lasted until he dragged the US into WW2.

Anonymous said...

@Robert: My impression of Paris exactly. Unrecognizable from 30 years ago.

Exegesis said...

I was just listening to a song and realized it should be America's new theme song.

Exegesis said...

In response to the well known poster, Anonymous (U. N.), who was talking about buying metals as trade goods: steel is far to readily available to be worth much even post apocalypse; just look at all the cars, all the building with I-beams, steel refinforced concrete, etc. Also, it has a high melting point.

Brass corodes, though is not a bad choice. Copper wire of various gauges as well as stock, yes lead and tin, and of course BRONZE are what you want. Bronze is almost ideal for that situation as it can be forged into tools with a hammer alone and is extremely resistant to corrosion, as well as naturally self sterilizing over time(copper and silver both do this).

The high ductility and low melting point make it ideal for most applications, and it's relative rarity plus the above useful properties pretty much guarantee a high value. Obviously, introductory and pratical application books on chemistry would be quite valuable to.

Time to go reread "The Prince" and "The Art of War" (both of them); need to find a copy of "Livre de Chevalerie" too.

Anonymous said...

Just to stir things up a little .. from a site called "Stuff Black People Don't like."

"Think of the world as it appears when you’re intoxicated. A heightened sense of invincibility overtakes your normal emotions and demeanor, superseding rationality and civility. You slur your speech in an almost unintelligible dialect, with all inhibitions vanishing as your voice becomes louder and increasingly obnoxious; you think every joke you tell is incredibly funny, while conversely, any insult hurled your way is grounds for violence and retaliation; you approach every woman in sight and proceed to make an advance on her, instinctively knowing all females are completely into you, even if you’re spurned; and best of all your testosterone levels are off the charts, loosening your tongue because you’re the baddest man on the planet and no one at the bar can touch you if a fight broke --you’d break’em in half.

The consequences of your actions while inebriated matter not, because the law is immaterial to you. Concepts of privacy, property rights and decorum governing socially acceptable behavior are alien to you, and vaguely offensive.

In this state you represent the epitome of a belligerent individual, completely devoid of decency and incapable of logical actions all because of the ravages alcohol induces upon the mind.

This thought experiment allowed you a window into the mind of the typical Black male, before the provocations alcohol provides upon the normal mental functions for other racial groups.

For more ... Go Here.

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

That's a brilliant analogy - (blacks/drunks). Why didn't it ever dawn on me before I wonder?

Californian said...

Savant, regarding the pessimistic worldview: years ago during the Cold War, a friend who was involved in the anti-communist struggle told me that the mindset we must have is as follows--

"To ourselves, we must act as if we are on the verge of total defeat; to the enemy, we must appear as if we believe we are on the verge of total victory."

His point was that ultimately the will to power is the deciding factor. And that only by acting on the assumption that catastrophe is just around the corner can we keep ourselves motivated to fight through to victory. At the same time, the enemy must believe that no matter what he did, he could not break out will. The moral factor would be the decisive factor in the struggle.

Sounds crazy, but it worked. Communism collapsed. Now we are dealing with its stepchild, cultural marxism. It's a matter of recognizing the struggle is there and then maintaining the will to fight through to victory.

Zngr said...

Unca Nasty, that analogy is racist!!1

Anyway, even if a tiny country like Denmark finds a way to handle the... issue... and even if Finland finds one it doesn't change much: most of the EU-countries (and Norway) are still in it for real.

Fuck.

Most of the people you wouldn't want on your own hood, as far as I am aware muhfugen foolz, come to Finland via Sweden or Norway these days. In fact these monsters (with which I mean violent criminals, not actual asylum seekers) who are driven out of these countries seek to come here next, and the multiculti baboons are thrilled!

One leftist municipal official insulted his voters because they feared unleashing the Orcs into the small community and laughed at them for their fears. It did not take long for the first actual rape to happen. An "asylum seeker", a muslim from Bangladesh, apparently already convicted in Sweden, attacked and raped a 17 year old girl jogging on her ordinary route - ordinary apart from the fact the route was some kilometers close to the new immigration center.

The official laughed and laughed at the racists who feared something like this would happen (because fearing something like this to happen is racist), yet still walks this earth a free person and unharmed.

Amazing.

All of this means that even if Finland sorts the shit out we still have a huge leaking border with these two countries.

Only a decade or two ago everyone assumed the danger comes from the East...

How wrong we were :)

We really should have listened to the history teachers in the late 80s who told there would be a division of property and population and it would end up in trouble. Back in the day those used to exist.

Now they have been weeded out for speaking what actually is, and say it's "inevitable" because multiculturalism and immigration and labour crisis and shit, while everyone over the age of 25 and under the age of 50 by now knows it's untrue to the extreme.

Zngr said...

Oh and hey, someone sell me more ammo.

Even if I find local events slightly encouraging I find events un-local very discouraging.

A clawhammer only disengages one foe at a time and I fear it's not going to be enough.

Zngr said...

In fact my explanation of the events is lacking, because I write bad theater. I will now despair while recalling the events in the case of the 17 year old jogger in a more organized manner.

Municipial official: We need to place an immigration center in the municipality of Lammi. The government will pay for everyone employed [so fucking what you piece of shit, it's all tax payers money, DIE DIE - Ligur's notes]. It supports the local economy. Immigration is good. Multiculturalism. Blah blah.

The people of Lammi: No way! This is a small community, we can't handle this.

Municipal officials: IMMIGRATION CENTER ESTABLISHED. "ASYLUM SEEKERS" MOST OF WHOM ARE 20 YEAR OLD MUSLIM MALES WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION INSTALLED WITHIN COMMUNITY.

Official (his name is Iisakki Kiemunki, google of you want to send "thanks"): You Lammi guys who oppose this, suck. See, you are racists! I am holier than thou as well. Look, I emit moral superiority rays!

Lammi: No way this is a tiny town? Also around the country these centers usually cause trouble and the asylum seekers are known to harass women, we don't want that, please...

Kiemunki: FUCKHEADS OF LAMMI. I'M NOW WRITING A BLOG ENTRY ABOUT HOW YOU FEAR "OPENING THE DOORS OF MORDOR" AND RAPES AND SHIT, AND HOW RACIST YOU ARE HAHAHAHAHA I AM MORALLY SUPERIOR! I EMIT EGOTISM RAYS BECAUSE I AM "GOOD" AND YOUR FEARS ARE RACIST AND YOU ARE PREJUDICEDHAHAHAA!

--------------

One month later: An "asylum seeker" (a 19-20 year old Bangladeshi Muslim, convicted previously in Sweden - for sexual assault, as it happens) rapes a 17 year old girl in Lammi on her regular jogging route. Otherwise regular, except that the immigration center was established next to it...

Zngr said...

I'm actually surprised so little of this has been heard the past few months. I imagine this Iisakki Kiemunki character has gone UG or something.

Think about it.

- [Big town] We shall establish a humanitarian immigration center in your small village. [Decreed from a big town near smaller Lammi town]

- [Lammi] No don't please, we don't want that.

- [Big town and Kiemunki] Fuck you, you are racist nazis, think they'll rape someone and the doors of Mordor will open? Fuck off. You are so stupid I will write on my blog about how stupid you are hahahaha stupid fucks.

*A teenage girl gets raped almost instantly*

- [Big town] Oops.

I guess the main character has already left town or is in hiding because I heard they were not very happy with him afterwards.

Social democracy, multiculturalism and understanding victimhood of Third World people regardless...

Anonymous said...

Zngr: I'd say this Iisakki Kiemunki character has been PROMOTED, not gone UG. I know such things have happened in Sweden.

Anonymous said...

Californian said...

"... Communism collapsed. Now we are dealing with its stepchild, cultural marxism. It's a matter of recognizing the struggle is there and then maintaining the will to fight through to victory."

1 September 2010 17:32

I strongly believe that Communism did NOT collapse ... it EVOLVED into the next logical phase -- as you say, cultural Marxism.

I strongly recommend this site:-

http://newzeal.blogspot.com/

The owner of which spends several hours a day uncovering the socialist/commie/Marxist and Democrat connections in the US alone.

They are astounding, endless and fully documented.

Who was it who said:- "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince everyone he did not exist"?

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Kiwi said...

Savant,

I agree that a prolonged economic downturn will help shake people out of their liberal complacency.

Ultimately, immigration has to be linked to economic & environmental outcomes. If there is less margin for error then the screening process will have to improve, even if that means fewer from low iq populations.

SAVANT said...

Thanks kiwi. Judging by your nom de guerre you're from NZ. Any change of attitudes there?

Californian said...

I strongly believe that Communism did NOT collapse ... it EVOLVED into the next logical phase -- as you say, cultural Marxism.


True.

But then perhaps it is time for race realists to stop thinking towards the past (Confederate States, Third Reich, Segregation) and look towards the future?

Reactionary_83 said...

One thing I have noticed is that those who are most aware of and who speak out against the impending doom tend to be older than average. Is this true for you, TIS? For example, blogger Dennis Mangan is older than average and and this is also true for Thilo Sarrazin. They probably figure they have less to lose from a reproductive (being unable to find a woman to marry due to their heretic viewpoints) and professional standpoint. This is funny because they are less likely to be around when the decline goes into full swing. At the same time it noble and altruistic of them to express such views.

Sadly, younger people in my age bracket (<30) are the most clueless when it comes to the aforementioned demise. They are completely ignorant of the ongoing dysgenics and 3rd world immigration that will destroy the west. I still hope for some sort of 'awakening' among such people but as time goes on I become increasingly despondent about the prospects. Charles Murray wasn't locked up when The Bell Curve described racial differences in intelligence in one of the chapters. yet slightly more than decade later James Watson has become an outcast of sorts for even hinting at this.

SAVANT said...

Yes Reactionary - I'm in the 60> range, so well into the category of old white men who seem to be driving the opposition (such as it is). Why? I suppose the younger generation has been fed ONLY the multicult propaganda whereas my generation have received broader sources of information. Also I guess they dont think in terms of reproduction etc. except in a narrow personal sense.

As for me being brave, well, as you can see I operate under a nom de guerre. Were I to reveal my identity I'd be out of my job in the morning.

Louis IX said...

Be prepared!

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/World_must_prepare_for_Iran_military_option_Blair_999.html

Louis IX said...

Coincidence? saudis buy for 60 billions (!) F15 and Apache copters, not really a defensive armament.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Saudis_amass_US_weapons_to_confront_Iran_999.html
From the article, I quote:
"the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington, has raised no public objections to the proposed deal with Riyadh"

Pfewwww, we are relieved. Honestly, I don't think it's fair to talk about a jewish lobby in Washington, I'd rather talk about the weak remnant of an American Lobby that still tries to influence the present 'American' policies. Hopefully, this nefarious lobby will eventually disapear.

Zngr said...

Savant: I assume you are correct. I have agonized over our current 20-somethings and their ignorance regarding the things I'm worried about.

Someone is teaching them I should be taxed so heavily they can exist without doing anything worthwhile (one kid explained to me it is his "right" to earn 1200€+ a month for the ardent exercise of breathing and that I should pay for it) and that everyone from the Third World are victims I have victimized, and hence have to pay for. (Absurd, since nobody who actually took part in establishing colonial operations is even alive. The current living generations are responsible for nothing in that regard - quite the opposite.)

The most ardent supporters of diversity and mass population replacements seem to be either intellectuals, politicians and professors etc. of the dread 68-generation and their immediate pupils or the current youth they teach.

Those between or those who did not take the 68-values to heart are far more often angered and bewildered about the past decades turn of events.

I'm hoping that a generation which does not have the Nazi-Europe guilt-syndrome is growing though. Maybe Austria hinted at that. When they gave teenagers a chance to vote, the anti-immigration right-wing soared in the following elections...

Me, I'm only 30-something. I used to be a liberal green multiculturalist until I rented an apartment in a multicultural area for a while. A longer while. That sure gave me a clue about cultural harmony and the joys of diversity.

I sometimes wonder why didn't ALL the locals there turn around as dramatically as I did. Mayhap because they don't actually go out and communicate to people as much as I did, I don't know, but the former popular multicultural theory that "contact with diversity makes one more tolerant" is quite utterly annihilated.

kulak said...

You're about my dad's age Savant.

And I'm more of a curmudgeon than both of you.

He started out a hippy-yippy. I started out a Respectable Conservative. At this rate, when my kids start caring about politics, they might scare even me!

I loved Spaceballs when it came out. I can't stand it anymore.

About 1/4 of my sci-fi books I can't stand anymore, which sucks, because I can remember liking them, and remember why I liked them, but now I see the POISON too. It's like having those sunglasses from They Live.

Part of my change was simply a logical consequence of having kids amidst the rising tide of darkies, which is one reason why I URGE white people to have kids. Do NOT worry about paying for them. Nobody else does!

My biggest single regret in life is not having had more kids, and sooner. Doc says we can't have more, because we waited too long.

My not-quite-awake teenage nephew, to whom I have said nothing about race, complained one day about a problem he was having with another boy at school. This other boy has a strange name. My dad asked him what kind of name that was.

"Bl-ack," was my nephew's sneering reply.

I find that encouraging.

Anonymous said...

Californian said...

"But then perhaps it is time for race realists to stop thinking towards the past (Confederate States, Third Reich, Segregation) and look towards the future?"

I think the reason we look to the past, Californian, is because, unlike the future which is hidden, or often, even the present, which is purposefully obscured, we can stand back, contemplate it and unravel the tangles. Most importantly, we can learn from it where we took the wrong turning.

Thank God for revisionists. The best of them dig out the dirty little secrets that we were never meant to know.

And it is quite easy, once you developed a thick skin, to figure out which pieces of history are true and which are propaganda.

Ask an embarrassing question in such a way that it can only be answered "yes" or "no".

If, instead of the aforementioned yes or no, you receive an endless flow of waffle, prevarication and personal attacks you've got the bastards.

Works for me.

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

BTW, like many of the other posters, I am also an old fart.

Won't see fifty again.

Anonymous said...

Louis IX said...

Coincidence? saudis buy for 60 billions (!) F15 and Apache copters, not really a defensive armament.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Saudis_amass_US_weapons_to_confront_Iran_999.html

Now this is very interesting ... where did the Saudis get the money?

The last I heard, Dubai, that jewel of the east was virtually a ghost town, after all the cash dried up.

Anyone know different?

Cheers,

Uncle Nasty

Anonymous said...

Lious IX - this is incredible.....the Israeli Lobby has no objections so it can go ahead!! And nobody in the US seems to think this unusual - that a small dependent state has the say on whether a major arms sale is made.

Anonymous said...

@Californian: If as you say "the will to power is the deciding factor" well then we're well and truly f*cked. That's all I can say.

SAVANT said...

kulak - you amaze me. I had visualised you as a purple-faced fuming ex-colonel, 70+ years, angrily swatting your grandchildren with your walking cane!

Just shows you shouldn't jump to conclusions!

Holly B said...

Beppo - yes, a nuclear attack might do the trick, but still, there's something nagging at me - there's some kind of downside...

Hammy said...

Uncle Nasty - the Saudis have PLENTY of money, vast riches salted away. No thanks to tose useless fat savages of course, but they aint short of the moolah. The corruption associated with this deal will be beyond imagining.

kulak said...

Well you know Savant, it's just takes one tiny transposition to go from marital to martial.

Skot German said...

History seems governed by equations that have no steady state solution. I think Western democracy is doomed just as the Roman republic was doomed to be replaced by the Caesars. We may be entering a new age of the Caesars and it may take decades for the transition to complete. I see interesting parallels between first century BC Rome and the warring Mexican drug cartels. The cartels are headed by men ruthless enough to be Caesars. Up here in Gaul, we are safe, for now. I've got to find time to read Spengler.

Anonymous said...

Lioux IX - that link doesnt seem to be correct.

Louis IX said...

"this is incredible.....the Israeli Lobby has no objections so it can go ahead"

It's not a lobby! it's called the US government, the only lobby here is the american lobby trying to influence the US government.

And to Hammy, you cannot talk like that about a friend of the US government. Corruption? nah, I'd call it traditions and cultural differences. Be tolerant.

This seems unrelated to the topic, but if there is indeed talks of a preventive strike against Iran to preserve the national security of the 'US' government, even the powerful american lobby in washington won't be able to influence the decision. Not sure which side Sen. Lieberman will choose. But the muslims in the US will feel castigated once again. They might also decide of a preventive bomb attack of their own. No matter what, the consequences might give an answer to Savant's question.

Louis IX said...

Sorry for the links. They are pasted complete here.

Tony Blair on the world must prepare for Iran military option:
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/World_must_prepare_for_Iran_military_option_Blair_999.html

Saoudis bought for 60 billions weaponry in F15 and Apache:
http://www.spacewar.com/pageone/spacewar-2010-08-31.html

bog philosopher said...

Skot German - you migyt also be interested in this quote fro the Candain/Irish philosopher Bernard Lonergan:

"A civilisation in decline digs its own grave with relentless insistence. It cannot be argued out of its destructive way"

He wrote that about 40 years ago, before our decline had really started.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of decline ... here's something interesting.

Go here:-

http://nbyslog.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to:-

TAXPAYER OWNED UK BANKS CONSPIRED TO LAUNDER $2 BILLION OF IRANIAN TERRORIST MONEY.

As the man said, follow the money.

Oh, and BTW, while I have never been accused of being a mathematical genius -- I can barely count to eleven without getting arrested -- I sat down with a calculator, wracked my alleged brain for about ten minutes, and realised that, not only will I never see fifty again ... even bloody sixty is receding on the horizon.

Damn. Where did it go?

Cheers and have a good weekend,

Uncle Nasty

kulak said...

He wrote that about 40 years ago, before our decline had really started.

Would you rather be a chinaman, painstakingly tending your banzai and your navel?

The white man churns, and churns, and churns. That's why we invented 97% of everything.

Enjoy the coming interregnum while it lasts. Young white men will have many opportunities for profit, mayhem, poontang, for LIVING! Opportunities they haven't had in a long time. Look around you! It's a goddamn desert.

Farmers will even get a break, which they deserve.

After they've seen Paris, you won't have to keep 'em down on the farm.

Clive taylor said...

I don't know about that. among my contemporaries (English 30 somethings) apathy reigns. A long way from doeing anything decisive I'm afraid.

Anonymous said...

@Louis IX, do most Muslims in the US being Arab Sunni really give a damn about what they see as Iranian Shia heretics? They hate each other as much as they hate Israel. In an article about the English Defence League marches in Luton I read about clashes between Sunni and Shia Muslims in the town. Just one sentence of course. The article was all about condemning the 'evil racist and ignorant' EDL.

Anonymous said...

"Arrived in Paris this morning. The train into the city had 20% white passengers. A gypsy female cursed me for not giving her money while I was eating brunch at an outdoor cafe. There are still a lot of pretty you white women. 1/3 were with Blacks. Many were pushing strollers with mixed race children.'

Geez, I was there in the 90's and didn't see anything like that in the central city. It was almost all white. It's gotten that bad already.

Anonymous said...

"There are still a lot of pretty you white women."

I didn't see a lot in Paris. Most had very big noses.But America has mostly fat,ugly women also.

Anonymous said...

"I didn't see a lot in Paris. Most had very big noses.But America has mostly fat,ugly women also."
They're big nosed Arab women in Paris and fat black women in America.

Pollynkorect said...

I'm on the pessimism side. Here in America, there's no insult that whites will not swallow. Yes, a few resist, but their only avenue of resistance is to run away. They can never stand and fight to defend their territory against invasion by the teeming dark hordes. White flight is the only recourse, and even that's becoming increasingly difficult. We whites are becoming impoverished, and the worst of it is that there is no White Defense League. The I.R.S. allows all races, except whites, to form tax-exempt racially-exclusive collective bargaining associations. All races, except whites, are allowed to have their own, non-white scholarship funds, but not whites. White gentiles are slated for oblivion. The few remaining elite "whites" will be non-gentile, and those who hand their gentile daughters over to this elite in marriage, as have Donald Trump, Bill Clinton & Al Gore.

I predict a Dark Ages (no pun intended) that will ensue after the dark races cannibalize their white host nations. Formerly white nations will degenerate to the level of their dominant dark demographics. Anarchy will reign and the world will be plunged into a Dark Ages. Hundreds or thousands of years will pass. A time will come when the story of a white race with yellow hair and blue eyes will be just a fantastic romantic legend, like Camelot.

Far far away, in the frozen northern climes, a white remnant will remain. From this seed, the germ of the white race will be reborn and repopulate the world. As they grow and prosper and explore their world, they will once again come into contact with dark races. At first they will be repelled, but then they will feel compassion for these pathetic, superstitious souls. They will magnanimously share their superior knowledge and wisdom with them. They will teach them how to farm and so that the dark children will flourish and live long lives. They will share their medical knowledge with them. They will trade with them and invite them to come dwell in theri own territories, and they will let their fair daughters marry the dark strangers. And they will mock and ridicule those cautious, fearful whites who protest against assimilating with foreign stock. Soon, in a few generations, the Dark Ones will once again supplant the Fair Ones and drive them from their own lands.

And the process will repeat itself over and over and over again, without end. Just like it is today.

Pollynkorect said...

I'm on the pessimism side. Here in America, there's no insult that whites will not swallow. Yes, a few resist, but their only avenue of resistance is to run away. They can never stand and fight to defend their territory against invasion by the teeming dark hordes. White flight is the only recourse, and even that's becoming increasingly difficult. We whites are becoming impoverished, and the worst of it is that there is no White Defense League. The I.R.S. allows all races, except whites, to form tax-exempt racially-exclusive collective bargaining associations. All races, except whites, are allowed to have their own, non-white scholarship funds, but not whites. White gentiles are slated for oblivion. The few remaining elite "whites" will be non-gentile, and those who hand their gentile daughters over to this elite in marriage, as have Donald Trump, Bill Clinton & Al Gore.

I predict a Dark Ages (no pun intended) that will ensue after the dark races cannibalize their white host nations. Formerly white nations will degenerate to the level of their dominant dark demographics. Anarchy will reign and the world will be plunged into a Dark Ages. Hundreds or thousands of years will pass. A time will come when the story of a white race with yellow hair and blue eyes will be just a fantastic romantic legend, like Camelot.

Far far away, in the frozen northern climes, a white remnant will remain. From this seed, the germ of the white race will be reborn and repopulate the world. As they grow and prosper and explore their world, they will once again come into contact with dark races. At first they will be repelled, but then they will feel compassion for these pathetic, superstitious souls. They will magnanimously share their superior knowledge and wisdom with them. They will teach them how to farm and so that the dark children will flourish and live long lives. They will share their medical knowledge with them. They will trade with them and invite them to come dwell in theri own territories, and they will let their fair daughters marry the dark strangers. And they will mock and ridicule those cautious, fearful whites who protest against assimilating with foreign stock. Soon, in a few generations, the Dark Ones will once again supplant the Fair Ones and drive them from their own lands.

And the process will repeat itself over and over and over again, without end. Just like it is today.

A believer said...

That's a powerful comment, pollynkorrect. Sad, but probably all too true.

rebelliousvanilla said...

The Irish Savant, I'd be on your boat provided we wouldn't all be bankrupt. The US, UK, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Hungary, Romania and probably a few other sovereigns will go bankrupt in 10-15 years tops. This will mean welfare will more likely disappear, cities will be horrible places to live in and for the first time in history, if we will have city walls it will be to keep the city people in. I highly doubt our enrichers will take welfare payments disappearing easily and I quite easily see quite a lot of European countries descending into civil war or have military coups - obviously, the outcome of these are open and can't be foreseen. The status quo is enforced only through threatening whites with loss of livelihood and by paying nonwhites up - when whites will already have lost their livelihood and nonwhites won't be able to be paid off anymore, it won't be that pleasant.

Related to legitimate democratic power - I hardly see democracy as a good form of government, so I don't really care about it.

missingwmd, this is why I decided to not have children until I will be able to know where things are heading. I see it as cruel to have children and let them fight a fight that is mine. It's sad since I really love children.

Anonymous, how did the civil war and civil rights movement made America better? Sure, it might be hard for you to answer me since the patron saint of your country is MLK, but try. I don't see any way in which it helped. The West is in decline ever since the late 18th century to the beginning of the 19th.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Uncle Nasty is right, actually. I can say this as a person born a month after a pretty much civil war in my city and an year after a revolution - I know people first hand that took part in both. I'll give you an example from the revolution. The thing started in some small cities with protests that were put down by the government. In Timisoara, people simply were fed up and the government had to bring the army out of the barracks and open fire and then they tried to cover everything up, but failed and people started to go on strike to have the bodies return. In my city, students barricaded themselves in front of a hotel when the army was ordered to breach the barricade and a 22 years old philosophy student had these as her last words:"We will die tonight, but we will die free". This was before she was hit by an armored vehicle and while on the ground hit by soldiers with their rifles until she died. This incident enraged everyone so badly that despite the army being on the streets, they managed to oust our nice pal in government.

So sure, that girl who is just a bit older than me doing what she did was stupid, from an individual perspective. She died before she achieved anything in life, before she had children and before marrying. She was that person with the flag in Uncle Nasty's comment and she died, but her actions put a whole lot more into movement. The problem that we have is that the moral authority that exerts power over us is hostile to us. We need a new one and believe me, the current one is fairly easily to make illegitimate - laugh at it. I have to point out to you that people under communism had it far worse. You pretty much disappeared during the night after the state security kicked down your door for dissent, but by the end, communism became laughable. And there was no internet, there was only a media station peddling the party line, the education taught Marxism in schools and so on.

About the guy peddling how great America became after the two world wars, you realize that if you stood out of the first, the 2nd would have never happened, right?

Anyway, most people make the huge mistake of thinking that if we are to solve anything, it will be done through the ballot box and that it will be a polite way of solving things. No, it won't. We will probably get military coups, overthrows, riots and instability. But it's either that or surrender - to be honest, I want to know which one people will pick so that I can plan my future because if it's the latter, I can be far away from Europe and the Anglo world by the time it happens.

Louis IX hit the nail on the head. As a woman, I can feel that 'racism' on the part of men is simply desire for sexual dominance. It's hilarious that most white men don't.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Leon, the problem is that Jewish is an identity, while white is one only in America. Sure, I will always take the side of Irish Savant over Somalis, but I hardly identify with him. We need nationality based organizations that cooperate, not a big large one. It works for Jews because Jews are a people. By the way, I'd like to point out that nonwhites are horrible at war(both Africans and Muslims).

I'm a woman and I'm positive I could lead an army of 10,000 Swedes to victory over an army of 100,000 Africans or Muslims. Modern warfare requires discipline and intelligence even more, let alone weaponry and we will have the upper hand in all of them. I'm also fairly good at making propaganda to ruin the morale of the opposite troops(heck, look at the US army saying that Muslims are impotent and the idiots open fire and reveal their hideouts).

The Anon who recommends reading Lenin is spot on. I loathe leftists, but their understanding of how humans think and feel and how to implement 'change' is simply brilliant. Look at the communist manifesto for America from the 1950s - every single point in it was achieved. Every single one.

Oh, and an American mentioned Japan - Japan is a wealthy creditor nation. She afforded their economic insanity. The US doesn't. On this current path, the US will look like Germany in the 1920s by the end of this decade(only a lot less white). And yes, I see the current institutions as completely compromised and I want them destroyed too.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Zngr, I do the same. Whenever I get called racist, I have two tactics:
1)ask the other person to define racism and since they usually fail, they look stupid; if they define it as hatred due to prejudice, I can show that my dislike of nonwhites comes from reliable data of their criminality, psychopathy and so on; if they define it as the leftist version, I show how irrational it is.
2)I just laugh at them and point to the fact that the person who introduced the concept in the dictionary is Trotsky who committed genocide and just like I don't take into account what Hitler wrote into Mein Kampf, I won't take into account what Trotsky did either - create a sort of reductio ad hitlerum for leftists, which is funny.

Exegesis, the downturn itself won't do anything. Sure, nonwhites have kids since they're on welfare and welfare isn't being cut, but by downturn, I understand sovereign debt defaults. This will cause such a drop in living standards that people will get out in the street and it will easily turn into a racial war.

Robert, I visited Paris twice and it's my 2nd least favourite city, London being my least favourite. Nice buildings in both, crappy people in both. But at least there are still pretty cool Frenchmen around. The British though are just a bunch of chavs in London. Not to say that I felt fairly lonely as a white girl there.

rebelliousvanilla said...

Oh, and the comparisons to what we did 50 years ago aren't that well founded. 50 years ago we were the only developed places on Earth and Western Europe and America combined were over half of the world's GDP. Right now, we are shrinking and we are either financially ruined or on the way to financial ruin. When things go bad, family and ethnicity become a lot more important.

Zngr, the fact that if Finland and Denmark fix their issues the immigrants move to Sweden is actually good. It puts pressure on the Swedish politicians to act, not only because the enrichers move to Sweden, but also because the Swedes see the benefits in the two other countries.

And to people who think Marxism lost the Cold War, you are kidding yourselves. The present day Westerners think along Marxism lines by a far bigger margin than people in my country do and we were officially a Marxist country.

kulak, I'm a 20 years old girl who was a liberal on social issues merely 1.5 years ago. My favourite cartoon as a child was Captain Planet - now I hate greenies with a passion. LOL. Right now, I hold views that are against even what most conservatives see as fair(I dislike democracy with universal suffrage and civic nationality, I think we shouldn't vote - we being women, I'm in favour of national service for men, I think we should strip all non-Europeans in Europe of their citizenship and 'oppress' them). An year ago I would have hated myself for these views. But the more contact I have with all this stuff, the worse it gets. At least in my country people aren't brainwashed and they're easy to convert to my views. I convinced a girl in under 2 hours that I'm right. And I do care about things related to having children. First of all, if I had my children bullied by other children at the school for being white, I'd go to the school and unless those kids get expelled, I'd get a baseball bat and beat them up myself. So I'd end up in jail. lol. I also find it immoral for me to have them fight hordes of immigrants because my generation was too chicken to do it.

bog philosopher, the decline of Western civilization started in the late 18th century to the beginning of the 19th century. The inclusiveness, not defending communities in order to let individuals do whatever, the loss of virtue began then, not in the 20th century. The 20th century just accelerated things. But yes, you can't persuade a civilization out of digging her own grave. Hence why we must destroy Western civilization ourselves and rebuild it from a sound foundation(ethnic citizenship, importance of marriage and so on).

Anonymous, Paris wasn't that bad - the central part. The tourist attraction were filled with white people, but the airport and mass transit are filled with crappy people. On the airport this May, I counted whites and nonwhites and there was a pretty even split. Now, I wonder how many of those whites were actually French.

Pollynkorect, no offense, but nonwhites are hardly the problem. I could rule over them as a white empress if I had a 10% white population or so without a problem. Blacks are stupid and easy to control. Your problem is that you assume that they are dark skinned Europeans. The only power they have over us is the one we allow them to have either by letting them vote in our elections or by simply being stupid. It's that simple.

john said...

Uncle Nasty and rebelliousvanilla are my heroes! They are both absolutely correct, and if I were a few years younger and not already married to a wonderful woman, Miss Vanilla would get tired of tripping over me on her way into her house! ;)

SAVANT said...

Unfortunately Miss Vanilla got a right roasting from many commentators here and seems to have taken herself off, or else gone very silent. Pity.

Canuck said...

Our overlords are confident they only need 20 years to permanently squelch any opposition.

The model is Latin America, with a stupid, angry, easily manipulated population that can be rallied to support the left-wing oligarchs, when needed. The evidence shows Hispanic immigrants don't assimilate even after four or five generations, so this is well on its way to suceeding

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWphqA1Slrw

You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! Damn you all to hell!

(Unfortunately I feel Taylor is right)

Anonymous said...

Ever think about the fact that your comments and fears echo those of racist British people about Irish people not so long ago (even up to the 1980's)? I don't think they were right then in relation to the Irish and I don't think you are right now.

SAVANT said...

@anon 20.46. Yes, I've often thought about that issue. Even wrote a whole post on it here which outlines my usual balanced perspective.

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2007/11/brits-and-paddies.html

Anonymous said...

Come on feel the Illinoise's Chicago

Panic in Detroit

A pessimist I'm afraid.

Anonymous said...

If the American Bolshevik death grip could be loosened on Europe and Germany in particular there might be a chance, as for UK and France, nothing but Eurotrash, glad to see them go. Can't really understand Ireland though.

Anonymous said...

... an ear bitten off in Naas ... a nose in Droichead Nua ... it has come to pass ...

Anonymous said...

Hitler bought the white race a few decades of time, what have we done with this reprieve?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

Whilst the enemy has become the masters and have opened the floodgates to the dark hordes.