Wednesday, 17 February 2010

Regenerating Limerick


Limerick is a tough place. Well, some parts of it at least. These areas of ‘disadvantage’ like Moyross bear an uncanny resemblance to the ‘projects’ in the US or the banlieues in Paris. By this I mean they’re infested with criminal gangs, violent anti-social behaviour is rife, disputes between ‘neighbours’ are often resolved by way of arson or murder. The police run scared. In effect, society there has broken down, despite the presence of many decent families.
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But fear not. This being Ireland, we have a cunning plan. The master plan (this is what it’s called, I swear) aims to regenerate four estates by demolishing up to 2,500 houses and breaking the “cycle of disadvantage”. “The regeneration is seen as crucial in dealing with criminal and anti-social issues in the area.”
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Well, I'm a bit puzzled by this. You see…………. well, look at the two lowest pictures of some of the Moyross housing stock and the general environs. What do you think it looks like? Hellish dystopia where no civilized person could live? Or just an ordinary, not very glamorous, but serviceable housing environment? I suspect you’ll say the latter, and I'd agree with you.
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And that’s my puzzle. How does spending €1.3 billion on demolishing and rebuilding the existing houses, and putting the same people into the new ones………how is this going to change people’s behaviour? Will the desperados, gang members, arsonists and gunmen suddenly transform into alter boys once they’re given the keys to the door?
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You don't think so? Neither do I. In any case, the issue is moot now as the country’s new-found financial embarrassment has resulted in the project being deferred.
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Permanently, I hope.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yes - I've always wondered at this. In Dublin they knocked down all the flats in the inner city and sent the batas out to Nelistown and places like that, where they immediatley reverted to type.

Good to know that we've been saved the €1.3 billion anyway.

helena said...

Hey - love that kid!! Is she actually representative of Limerick?

W Baker said...

Savant,

If Irish politicians are anything like their US counterparts, they build buildings and pave roads because every swingin' dick can see there 'somethin' being done' with these sorts of projects. Plus there's a shit load of pork spending to be handed out to contractors, architects, councilmen, general laborers, etc. (Is 'pork spending' an idiom over there? Means wasteful government spending over here.)

Refurbishment of existing structures is not nearly as politically sexy. Plus, you ain't gonna get months and months of the local news babe standing out in front of some construction site endlessly regurgitating the cycle of poverty/government hand up/social nirvana paradigm every night!

Anonymous said...

THEY TRIED THIS IN CHICAGO WITH THE SECTION 8 PROGRAM, WHEREAS THEY TOOK THE PROJECT TRASH AND SENT THEM INTO ALL WHITE SUBURBS AND PUT THEM INTO PRISTINE DWEELINGS AND THE GOVT, PAID THE RENT. IN THE END WE HAD PORCH MONKEYS SITTING ON THE STOOPS DRINKING AT 10 IN THE MORNING. NUMEROUS BREAKINS,MOLESTATION OF YOUNG TEEN GORLS, ETC ETC. THE ONLY REDEEMING FACTOR WAS THAT THESE AREAS WERE THE LIBERAL ONES WHERE SILK STOCKING LIBERALS RALLEYED AROUND THE CAUSE OF DIVERSITY TO BEGAN WITH BUT NOW ITS COME HOME TO ROOST, IF ONE FAMILY WAS PUT IN A APT. OR HOUSE IT WOUND UP WITH 3 EXTENDED FAMILIES IN THE ONE DWELLING.

SAVANT said...

You're exactly right Wes. There will be loads of TV cameras and most of all, the pork. (This term is in use over here as well). I'd say the pols were drooling at the prospect.

anon 19.09 - doesnt happen here. They keep the urchins well away from their gated estates.

Anonymous said...

"This being Ireland, we have a cunning plan"

Yes, and that cunning plan usually means repeating the mistakes of every other country.

Rohan Swee said...

Savant: Oh no, they don't dump "Eighters" on "Gaters" here - you've misconstrued anon's "all white suburbs". They move them into the (soon to be former) safe, pleasant neighborhoods of modest-income whites - and modest-income blacks, too, who've managed to establish and maintain nice neighborhoods. Can't have people who make under six figures/yr getting uppity and thinking they have a right to decent environments for themselves and their families. Keepin' it "vibrant" ensures that they continue to know their place.

So just pray that your PTB don't get wind of and copy this, our more recent brilliant social engineering innovation. It'd be relatively inexpensive, and the diversitoids would love it - just think, instead of selfishly piling up enrichers in immigrant neighborhoods, Section-8-type dispersal would bless an order-of-magnitude more dull white-bread Irish towns and villages with diversity!

Anonymous said...

Here in the US, after 60 years of social engineering and untold trillions of taxpayer dollars, it's becoming quite apparent (even to pee-cee puke) that you can take the savage out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the savage.

Anonymous said...

Rohan Swee - you're going to give these fuckers bad idea. Keep quiet!

Rob said...

The obvious way to solve the Moyross problem would be take out the criminal element, ship them off to Rockall and let them fight it out there like rats trapped in a barrel.

Anonymous said...

Savant,

This seems like an appropriate place to bring to readers' collective attention a separatist, self-governing, self-sufficient Afrikaner settlement called ORANIA. Crumbling Western societies should take note, and be reminded of how European-descended cultures have historically been the ones to create sustainable and prosperous societies. In fact, I propose that we, as related blood, financially contribute to this community's progress.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I see that Section 8 shit all the time. A couple of indolent jogabog "families" (or perhaps "kraals" would be a better word) dropped like N-bombs into a decent white neighborhood...see the crime go up, house prices go down: and now a lot of those whites can't move on because their home has lost 60% of the value it had in 2006. So they're stuck with KeyShawn and LaTondra next door hollerin' over who gets next hit awn da crack pipe.

Potgieter

openyoureyes said...

What is with these soft headed MCs? They don't have a potato to peel, yet they want to make sure a candidate for the Darwin awards, some genetic propagating flotsam has the same or even BETTER living quarters than a working stiff who by the way, is going to PAY for this benevolence. Some Tamanny hall hookster wants to take credit for spending YOUR money on the "disadvantaged" personages as a misguided gesture of humanism.

I say put that kid with a cig in his mouth on a manufacturing piece of equipment and keep him busy so his natural destructive, criminal ways have a creative outlet. He can sleep on the floor, next to his fabric loom for all I care, just don't try to treat this kid as the next winner of some Nobel prize.

clovis said...

openyour eyes .... what's an MC?

SAVANT said...

@anon 1.04. Your idea has one fatal flaw.. if whites headed off and left the others, the place would go to shit and they'd then follow the whites to the new place. That's why the new Cape colony or Orania won't work. (Orania might be ok now but it's too small for anyone to bother about)

Skeeter said...

If they applied the law properly and cut them off from welfare the problem would be solved at no cost.

E.g. one of the Ryans, with something like 50 provious convictions, got caught for a gun offence and got a SUSPENDED sentence. FFS!

prussiablue said...

W Baker hit the nail on the head. This is a great chance for all of Willie O'Dea's cronies to get their snouts and huffs into the trough. Great that its not going through. But nore, about €200 million has been wasted already.

Zngr said...

They are insane! We're all fucked! HA HA HA!

*goes to lie in a ditch full of snow, waiting for the end to come*

Peter Kay said...

Hey this is a bit off topic, but I hope you've seen this vid of a fine elderly White man beating a Black hoodlum senseless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQJFv9SMSMQ

How I'd love to see the Irish using these same types of tactics against the Nigerian hoodies that infest your country.

Anonymous said...

WAS IN DUBLIN YEARS BACK AND RELATIVE TOOK ME TO A AREA CALLED SHERIFF STREET OR ROAD, I FELT SELF CONSIOUS AS I WAS WEARING NEAT CLOTHES AND SHINED NEW SHOES AND DIDNT HAVE SCAR TISSUE ON MY HEAD OR BLACK OR SWOLLEN EYES AND MISSING TEETH AND THESE WERE JUST THE WOMEN, DO YOU KNOW OF THIS AREA SAVANT.

ad fukal said...

rember this ad campaign from the 80's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ7AgIo1mNY

Applemask:
"Come home to a real fire: buy a cottage in Wales."

Yes, we must make every effort to welcome our cultural enrichers home to a real fire!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this Peter Kay - warmed the cockles of me heart!!

Anonymous said...

Sherrif Street, yes indeed. A nest of vipers used to live there. Now they live in new housing out in Coolock and such places.

The women there used to proudly claim that they could leave their doors open all night and nothing would be robbed. They were right. The menfolk were off robbing somewhere else in the city.

openyoureyes said...

@Clovis

Mc=Mic=unflattering term for the Irish, myself included. I'm a "Mc" just not a soft headed one.

irishreactionary83 said...

The science is becoming more and more irrefutable week after week: IQ and behavioural traits are highly heritable (behaviour even more so than IQ). As egalitarians push for greater reform in creating a more uniform environment, this truth will become very apparent-they're effectively digging their own grave. In parallel, novel DNA sequenceing technologies and new statistical methods are honing on the mechanism of inheritance. That info isn't required to know that the dregs are breeding far more than the productive classes-just look around you. As for as the elites are concerned, the evidence does not exist-they can always hire security, live in a fortress, etc.

treaty said...

In fairness I think the idea is more than just rebuilding the houses. There will be a lot ,ore focus on civic centres, communitity facilities, youth clubs, things like that.

beppo said...

If a family or individual indulge in criminal/antisocial behaviour eviction or a slap on the wrist may be imposed; if a sufficiently large number of people are involved they will be rewarded or bought off with upgraded accommodation. Savant is a computer bod- can he pinpoint the tipover point at which this occurs?

SAVANT said...

beppo: I think you're only partly correct in saying a family will be evicted. In fact the usual pantomime of multiple court proceedings, paid for by the taxpayer has to be gone through, and then more often than not the judge will find in the family's favour.

I agree that when this is extended to a wider society that things are much different. However, this particular computer bod doesn't know at which stage the tipping point is reached.