Thursday, 8 October 2009

Oleg, Jews, and the rape of Mother Russia

I like Oleg. Oleg is a spectacularly unsuccessful Russian technology entrepreneur. Like so many unsuccessful entrepreneurs, it seems, he blames ‘the Jews’ for his predicament. His lack of success doesn’t come from lack of brains or education or ability to work - it’s just, well, he’s a lousy businessman. Last week he flew over from Moscow with his latest brainwave. Having dismissed it out of hand (how does he come up with those ideas?) we had several hours to kill. We spoke about Mother Russia. More specifically, we (well he) spoke about Mother Russia and the Jews.

Oleg assures me that ‘The Jews’ have been behind just about everything that has gone wrong with Russia, from the Bolshevik takeover, the running of the NKVD through to the disastrous experiment with ‘free markets’ during the nineties and the robbery of the state’s most valuable assets by the oligarchs.

There has to be some explanation for the latter, because the scale of the theft – there’s no other word for it - has been staggering. Literally trillions of dollars/euros drained from the country with most of it, according to Oleg, shipped to Israel. There’s also the fact that five out of the six oligarchs are Jewish, despite Jews representing less than 1% of the Russian population.

Then there was the catastrophic transition to capitalism under Yeltsin. In case you don't know, a team of ‘experts’ from Harvard and USAID stampeded Russia into ‘freeing the market’. This turned out to be catastrophic, setting the national economy back by a generation. Well, it was catastrophic for the Russians, not for the ‘experts’ who advised them.

Not only was the advice and guidance lousy, but several of the advisers used the opportunity to enrich themselves by speculating in the shares of the very companies whose futures they were deciding! It doesn’t get much more unethical than that. If it had happened in the US the perpetrators would have spent many years in the slammer.

And who were those perpetrators? The main one was Andrei Shleifer, a Russian Jewish émigré, aided by his eminence grise and close personal friend Larry Summers Рalso Jewish. It was so bad that the US Government sued Harvard and Shleifer, who eventually had to pay back about $32 million and $2 million respectively. Despite this, Summers and Shleifer both remained (the latter still remains) on the Harvard faculty, Summers as President.

I found myself asking (of myself) ‘this has got to be the greatest heist of the 20th century. How come I, and just about everyone else, treated it as a nine-day wonder?’. Oleg has the answer to that too. ‘The Jews’ control the range of discussion. If they want something to disappear from the public arena, it disappears.

He makes the point that this is more pronounced in the West than anywhere else. Questioning the Holocaust will land you in jail, as will a whole range of supposedly ‘hate’ crimes. The legislation to support these measures has been the brainchild of ‘The Jews’, who have, more importantly, through their control of the media, rendered a whole range of subjects and attitudes outside the scope of polite discussion. In effect they’re contrived a situation where criticism of Jews, even individual Jews, exposes the critic to serious sanction. For this reason criticism of Summers and Shleifer was muted, and dismissed as anti-Semitism by many of their defenders.

Oleg believes that an ethnic network will close around and defend ‘their own’ if faced with a serious threat. For this to work, the commanding heights must be controlled. Hence every US President is surrounded by Jews, while Congress is like the Israeli Government in exile.

All of this is true. But does it mean ‘The Jews’ are the master puppeteers jerking the rest of us around on a string? I have two counter arguments. The first is that Jews have very high IQ levels and as we all know, that is the most important determinant of the kind of success we see them achieve. Also the most effective opponents of ‘The Jews’ have time and again been, well, the Jews. For instance the most trenchant critic of the Holocaust Industry has been Norman Finkelstein (‘There’s no business like shoa business’) and Naomi Klein lead the assault on Summers and Shleifer.

This happens all the time and if you don't admit that you’re not being honest.

So do I still think the ‘Jewish Plot’ theory is bogus? Well, yes, in the sense that it does not refer to Jews generally. But just let’s say, I'm not at all as convinced as I used to be. And I'm still pondering why I let so much of this just float past me.

98 comments:

paudi said...

Penny dropping at last Savant?

Anonymous said...

How do you explain then the Israel gets an almost uniformly negative press in the West?

Anonymous said...

The depradations inflicted by Summers and his merry men as they looted Russia quite literally cost lives as health care vanished for millions of Russians

teacher.paris said...

Dear Savant, the Zionistas have you in their sights now. Anonymous 21:33 is a sign.

Anonymous said...

Oleg assures me that ‘The Jews’ have been behind just about everything that has gone wrong with Russia, from the Bolshevik takeover, the running of the NKVD through to the disastrous experiment with ‘free markets’ during the nineties and the robbery of the state’s most valuable assets by the oligarchs.

It seems Oleg has nailed it. Time for Savant to awake from his slumber.

No offense, as I do like your blog a great deal, though I find it frustrating at times when you swing wildly and miss the mark. You rail against "cultural enrichers" and the sort, yet fail to grasp just how they ended up in Europe.

Israelieejit said...

Oh come on, Savant, come on!
"Most of it shipped to Israel", according to Oleg. Does Oleg run Interpol? Where does he get his facts from?

Following is a list of oligarch billionaires from richest down, including current whereabouts. Courtesy of "The World's Billionaires" by Forbes.

1) Mikhail Prokhorov, Gentile, resides in Russia

2) Roman Abramovich, Jew - Britain

3) Vagit Alekperov, Gentile - Russia

4) Vladimir Lisin, Gentile - Russia

5) Alexander Abramov, Jew - Russia

6) Leonid Fedun, Gentile - Russia

7) Alexei Mordashov, Gentile - Russia

8) German Khan, Jew, - Russia

9) Oleg Deripaska, Gentile - Russia/Britain

10) Iskander Makhmudov, Gentile - Russia

11) Boris Ivanishvili, Gentile - Chorvila, Georgia

12) Alexei Kuzmichev, Gentile - Britain

13) Dmitry Rybolovlev, Gentile - Russia

14) Viktor Rashnikov, Gentile - Russia

15) Leonid Mikhelson, Gentile - Russia

16) Sergei Popov, Gentile - Russia

17) Vladimir Potanin, Gentile - Russia

18) Pyotr Aven, Jew - Britain

19) Vladimir Bogdanov, Gentile - Russia

20) Mikhail Gutseriev, Gentile - Britain

21) Alexander Frolov, Gentile - Russia

22) Nikolai Tsvetkov, Gentile - Russia

23) Viktor Vekselberg, Gentile - Russia

24) Vladimir Yevtushenkov, Gentile - Russia

25) Boris Berezovsky, Jew - Britain



Fact 1) Only five of these billionaire oligarchs are Jews.
Fact 2) NONE of them reside in Israel. Those that have left Russia are living in Britain.

It seems that Oleg certainly has his knickers in a twist. Do yourself a favour and just let the big conspiracy theory float past you.

openyoureyes said...

No other race of people warrant more serious study than the Jews esp. the Ashkenazi, but what do we know about them?

Well we know they were persecuted by us. And how do we know this? THEY tell us. With their virtual monopoly of the contemporary Zeitgeist via academia, radio, tele and print they remind Gentiles of past and present transgressions and how its so important to expunge any notion of criticism lest it lead to the ramming of bodies into crematoria.

No, we know nothing of the Jews and they prefer that. What is presented by THEIR scholars is a sanitized version where they are the pied pipers to us un-washed heathens and who but for THEIR enlightened and tender ways prevent us from ripping at one another like animals.

In actual point of fact they don't know crap about how to run a society, if they did Israel would be the center of the universe but it aint. They are the diaspora. They've been moving for centuries and what works good for a migrating tribe, doesn't work good for a civilization. They screwed things up in Russia multiple times and they get a pass. They're screwing things up in America and they're gonna get another pass. They keep on screwing things up for societies around the world and sooner or later people get wise and then there is blow back which is used to continue the narrative of Semitic persecution.

Anonymous said...

Russians are naturally lazy & to blame for their own predicament...nation of serfs.

Anonymous said...

The reasons the Jewish oligarchs were in a position to get the loot was because the commies always used them to do their dirty dealing. Hence they had the inside track.

Wud you have done different?

enola said...

Is it any wonder Jews would stick together, given what they've been through? Didn't the Irish do exactly that when they first went to the States? And where do you leave the Italians? (Back in Italy I say!)

5jari said...

I agree with the last comment. Your Oleg strikes me as a typical Russion (I'm originally from Finland). Even the clevered ones just cannot seem to get their act together, and then go off and blame someone else.

doodler said...

Savant
you hit the nail on the head when you identified IQ as a factor.

Then again, these guys had many decades of pogroms against them and centuries of persecution.

They are still around because they had to develop a rather keen sense of self preservation...which in turn translated into an ability to accumulate wealth. Wealth means you can buy safety.

I'm reading a biography on Simon Wiesenthal and this further serves to underline my views.

As you correctly pointed out even Jews find themselves on the opposite sides of the same fight.

Finally, a request - please don't let your excellent blog degenerate into a Joo bashing vehicle for neo-Nazi crazies.

Anonymous said...

The murdering of the royal family, and implementation of communism didn't work out so well for Russians, did it.
Sure the jews have a lot to answer for - I've never heard one show any contrition or remorse for what they did to Russians.

SAVANT said...

Thanks Doodler. You ask "Finally, a request - please don't let your excellent blog degenerate into a Joo bashing vehicle for neo-Nazi crazies"

I have no intention of this and have declined to publish a number of over-the-top comments already. However, it's vital that we air contrary views.

Anonymous said...

Sometimes one's enemies choose you rather than you choosing them.

You were probably already a name on file somewhere and if weren't you are now.

Anonymous said...

Savant and doodler - Agreed; no need for mob mentality attacks, but things do get rather curious. The idea that people who identify themselves as different, and act in an ethnocentric fashion - to the detriment of others in society should give pause, regardless of who those people are. Unfortunately, there are real victims as a result. Look at the open-door immigration scenario in the U.S. It is well known that jewish "groups" have been very supportive of this - but logic and historical review suggests it will be disastrous for legacy Americans. I believe that many jewish individuals are against it, but unfortunately the "organized voice" of the jewish community is still supporting and encouraging the immigration. I suppose ultimately, I simply believe that no group should be free from scrutiny.

Munin said...

The Savant wrote:

He makes the point that this is more pronounced in the West than anywhere else. Questioning the Holocaust will land you in jail, as will a whole range of supposedly ‘hate’ crimes. The legislation to support these measures has been the brainchild of ‘The Jews’, who have, more importantly, through their control of the media, rendered a whole range of subjects and attitudes outside the scope of polite discussion. In effect they’re contrived a situation where criticism of Jews, even individual Jews, exposes the critic to serious sanction. For this reason criticism of Summers and Shleifer was muted, and dismissed as anti-Semitism by many of their defenders.

Oleg believes that an ethnic network will close around and defend ‘their own’ if faced with a serious threat. For this to work, the commanding heights must be controlled. Hence every US President is surrounded by Jews, while Congress is like the Israeli Government in exile.

All of this is true. But does it mean ‘The Jews’ are the master puppeteers jerking the rest of us around on a string?


The question (whether the Jews’ are the master puppeteers jerking the rest of us around on a string?) is a strawman.

As for Norman Finkelstein (and other critical Jews):

Savant, are you seriously suggesting, that every single Jewish individual has to participate in a tribal, transnational Jewish network and share exacly the same views - otherwise there is no tribal, transnational Jewish network??

By those standards you would also dismiss there being an "old boy" network...

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Of course there is an influential, transnational, tribal Jewish network, which "close around and defend ‘their own’.

The strong defense of Roman Polanski is probably an example - "Free Roman Polanski! Demand Harvey Weinstein and Woody Allen". Bernard-Henri Levy: "Perhaps he had committed a youthful error" - at the young age of 43 years..

Dennis Prager not agreeing (or non-Jews joining the Polanski-bandwagon) does not invalidate this observation.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/06/child_rape_and_the_values_of_people_who_make_films_98585.html

Munin said...

Dennis Prager writes:

"Despite their secularism, Jews may be the most religious ethnic group in the world. The problem is that their religion is rarely Judaism; rather it is every "ism" of the Left. These include liberalism, socialism, feminism, Marxism and environmentalism. Jews involved in these movements believe in them with the same ideological fervor and same suspension of critical reason with which many religious people believe in their religion. ...

The Jews' religious fervor emanates from the origins of the Jewish people as a religious people elected by God to help guide humanity to a better future. Of course, the original intent was to bring humanity to ethical monotheism, God-based universal moral standards, not to secular liberalism or to feminism or to socialism. Leftist Jews have simply secularized their religious calling."

"If you believe that leftist ideas and policies are good for America and for the world, then you are particularly pleased to know how deeply Jews - with their moral passion, intellectual energies and abilities, and financial clout - are involved with the Left. If, on the other hand, you believe that the Left is morally confused and largely a destructive force in America and the world, then the Jews' disproportionate involvement on the Left is nothing less than a tragedy - for the world and especially for the Jews."

Please READ this enlightening article:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/why_are_jews_liberal.html

So... we have a people "elected by God to help guide humanity to a better future" with "moral passion, intellectual energies and abilities, and financial clout" "preoccupied with social justice" (at the expense of white Europeans/Americans) beavering away...

A couple of examples are Jean Kahn (the Kahn Commission) and Rene Cassin ("a principal drafter of the UN Declaration of Human Rights").

Regarding Jean Kahn the European Jewish Congress writes:

"The European Jewish Congress was instrumental in the creation of the European Commission against Racism and Xenophobia which, in turn, gave birth to the European Observatory of Racist and Xenophobic Phenomena (Vienna), whose first President was Mr Jean Kahn, then also President of the European Jewish Congress."

(my emphasis)

www.eurojewcong.org/english/about%20us/about%20us.php

Regarding Rene Cassin the Consultative Council of Jewish Organisations writes:

"The Consultative Council of Jewish Organisations (CCJO) was established as an NGO (non-governmental organisation) at the United Nations in 1946 by Jewish organisations frorn both sides of the Atlantic to encourage the recognition of human rights for all people and to ensure the input of the Jewish ethical tradition in the development of international human rights law. The CCJO’s first President was Rene Cassin, a principal drafter of the UN Declaration of Human Rights, who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1968 in recognition of his work for human rights as a jurist, academic and statesman. The CCJO has been an active supporter of efforts to increase the effectiveness of the UN’s human rights treaties and institutional mechanisms in the intervening decades. From the 1940s to the 1970s it was involved in the creation of the United Nations human rights instruments, which form the basis of the UN’s human rights activities today."

(my emphasis)

http://www.dangoor.com/74013.html

W Baker said...

Doodler points to safety, and that's true up to a point. In 6000 years of recorded human history, however, they haven't built up quite enough wealth to establish themselves in one place for more than a few hundred years. So they're either not buying the right protection, or the right people, or societies just get tired of them no matter how much money they have.

This is one reason why the identity of most post modern Jews is so tied up with Israel. Finally, by hook or crook (thank you, British), they can play nation-state like the rest of the races. The super club finds a country club. Of course, they don't have to wait for all the amenities like the rest of the world. They just find guilty hosts like the American evangelical nutters who fund and their every want and apologize for their brutal crimes against the indigenous population.

But you'd think they might learn something from history. The more dispersed they are, the less chance they have in getting kicked out (even from their own neck of the woods, see Titus Caesar in 70 A.D.). But on second thought, even the most European acting, amalgamated German Jews met a sorry fate.

So no matter how wealthy or brilliant, they remain the most misunderstood, mistreated bunch in the history of mankind. Strange how similarly smart and wealthy ethnicities, say the Armenians and Greeks, haven't met with the same fate everywhere they go.

Anonymous said...

munin is right. you know the old saying, the exception proves the rule. a few Jews here and there not acting to form does not prove anything.

Anonymous said...

I agree with that guy from Finalnd. Oleg seems like typical Russian (and indeed Pole and Ukrainian also the same).

They are lazy, don't prepare properly, get easily distracted on to other things, don't follow thu, I know as I have have dealing with them many many times.

And yes, they blame the jews (and others!!!) for their failure.

Anonymous said...

All those Nazis commenting here just dont get it, do they? They just cannot accept that the Jews are where they are to to barins and ability.

kulak said...

So do I still think the ‘Jewish Plot’ theory is bogus? Well, yes

Good. Because collections of humans are not decision-making units.

First thing to remember is that small differences in means make for large differences in tails. That alone may possibly be sufficient to explain why so much crap (as well as much good), comes out of the Jewish quarter.

And keep in mind that large variations within groups do not make irrelevant the variations between groups.

But the question is utterly orthogonal to a scientific (i.e. behaviorist) analysis of the behavior of collections of people. It's a speculation about individuals' internal state. Collections of people nevertheless may have behavioral principal components (no pun intended), relative to others. These do not require conscious intent or knowledge on the part of individuals in the collection, though intent certainly can be demonstrated in particular cases (e.g. Frankfurt school.)

See the related concept of Swarm Intelligence.

Similarly, I find the charge of 'institutional racism' against whites to be perfectly valid. But my response in that case is: 'tough titty'. Nobody has to live among whites (possible exception: American blacks), and certainly there is no right to live in white countries (possible exception: American blacks.)

The claim to such a 'right' is the complement to the Jewish claim of a duty to be a light to the world. (Echoed by colonialism.)

Anonymous asks: How do you explain then the Israel gets an almost uniformly negative press in the West?

It's not all that negative where it counts (Uncle sugar daddy.)

But to the extent your complaint is true, this is partly a result of the fact of more press. The logistics of propaganda have changed, and this has brought the interests of national Israelis and the bolshevik diaspora into conflict.

Partly this is a result of Israeli obsolescence. One function of Israel has been to provide a magnetic pole to resist the forces of assimilation into white Christian culture. Well there's not a whole lot left of that. Christ is now a socialist and anti-racist, so that function is no longer needed. The bolshevik diaspora in the dying West no longer needs Israel as a rally point.

Partly this is also karmic rebound. There's not much nationalist feeling left; the West only condemns in Israel what it has long since condemned in itself. And our new culturally enriching neighbors are not burdened with any holocaust guilt. (But play it up when they can get something from it.)

The combination of factors may prove to be unfortunate for those born and raised in Israel.

In summary, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Anonymous said...

I agree with that guy from Finalnd. Oleg seems like typical Russian (and indeed Pole and Ukrainian also the same).

The two are not mutually exclusive. Russians can be "lazy" or what not, however that does not preclude the fact that Russian Jews have inflicted great tragedy on millions of ethnic Russians and Ukranians.

All those Nazis commenting here just dont get it, do they? They just cannot accept that the Jews are where they are to to barins and ability.

There are many other ethnic groups that have brains and ability and desire and work ethic and all sorts of other positive attributes. None reach the heights that Jews do. Why?

Anonymous said...

I could name 1000 Jews who attack people like Summers and the neocons all the time.

Anonymous said...

I enjoy reading Savant for several reasons, but if a more serious evaluation of the "jewish question" arises, I go elsewhere for further readings, such as:

http://incogman.wordpress.com/

http://radicalpress.com/

http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com/

I'm particularly fond of the writings of Patrick Grimm, but being such an excellent writer of this issue does have it drawbacks because "they" keep taking down his blogs, although I found him here:

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2009/07/patrick-grimm-machine.html?zx=68ad0428907d32cf

On a personal note, I'm not fond of paying "jewish taxes" on just about every item in my grocery basket. Those little symbols in the form of a single letter U, K or V or Pareve, or COR or any other unknown symbols found on food and non-food packages denote that it's "Kosher approved".

The manufacturer pays off the Jewish Rabbi (they don't want to accused of being anti-semitic) and the cost is embedded in the price and paid by the consumer to the tune of several billions of dollars every year. The cost my be a penny per item, but this lucrative scam is relatively unknown to most shoppers.

R7 said...

If this PC stuff, multiculturalism and vapid "blank slate" nonsense was the result of a Jewish Conspiracy, shouldn't the same PCniks also be giving praises to Israel? Remember, that same traitorous political class of the West bashes Israel constantly.
Mencius Moldbug as described this class as the "Cathedral" since it operates in the same manner as the Medieval Church. Example, instead of Indulgences, we have "carbon credits". He stated that this class really is the philosophical offshoot of Christian Puritans but without that god stuff.

Thus instead of pursuing PC in the name of god, they pursue PC in the name of "common human decency" or in the name "equality". Many of their ideals are based on delusions such as the "blank slate", all people are inherently equal in ability, and humans are angelic "noble savages".

According to Mencius, the West's political class are in fact, religious fanatics.

Savant, I noticed that you also described these people as religious fanatics.

Zngr said...

God damn it, when people get over the idea there is a conspiracy of telepathic dolphins behind everything they dislike they might get something useful done - or even said.

IMO Mr. Savant is not suggesting we're controlled from an evil Jew (or Nazi, pick one) base on the dark side of the moon.

Likewise with the "Eurabia conspiracy" or the "Multi-culturalist conspiracy". There is none.

Developments on several fields and layers of Western World from social sciences to immigration to current mainstream political views to our understanding of human rights to global markets and globalization to information flow add up to cause something unforeseen and something anyone did not, surely, plan for.

Racism and NWO theories are some of the things that keep for example levelheaded nationalism (on it's positive sense - call it patriotism, then) and firm opposition of "politically correct" 60s multicultural/diversity ideologies from taking faster leaps in the mainstream.

Where ever someone dares speak against mass immigration and diversity that is forced on people (as in not chosen by, say, a vote) the NWO/Jew-attack/USA-mind-control-gun/Black-IQ-is-low/Global-Bankers people show up and do their utmost to divert the discourse from what matters to what does not matter:

It is irrelevant if there is an "evil Jew conspiracy" that compells us to vote for politicians that do us harm. It is relevant that we vote them. We can hardly prove the secret moon base: we can easily divert our vote and support (at least, if diverting your support does not cause you direct disadvantage and damage, you can ask yourself why so many people in EU soil choose to write anonymously and remind yourself the victim industry provides occupation to millions).

It is not relevant why purple people of religion X from continent Y on average might show lower intelligence, anti-social behaviour, hostility, or perform generally worse within country Z, it is much more relevant if we continue to invite them to live in country Z nevertheless, even when we know the facts.

But why not the other way around? Should we not seek to fix shit up? Sure. Yet as for now, obviously, we cannot even begin to fathom or fix, or admit what is wrong, so we should then try our utmost to stop the damage from spreading, which is something that we already know how to do.

Common sense: 80 million or more people are born outside of Europe every year, we can invite 80 million impoverished human beings (over 1 billion live in countries that are on failed state red alert, hence can request asylum) to EU soil and MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. EVER.

I'm 100% positive we will never find the proof that the Rothschild family or Barack Obama or Isreal or the secret moon Nazis are behind all the tribulations we are subjected to or will be in the near future, and while speculating if it's the mysterious space hamster or the Clinton Mind Ray that is fucking up EU is interesting it will do us little good. There are obvious, real targets for criticism and opposition.

I admit suspensful conspiracies are exciting, though.

I might be the Minority Ombudsman of Finland.

Per said...

@anon 00.46 says "I enjoy reading Savant for several reasons, but if a more serious evaluation of the "jewish question" arises, I go elsewhere for further readings".

Well, I have now read some of the sites he mentions, but I am not so sure that they are 'serious'. To me they are high on speculation and seeing patterns everywhere but not so high on specific facts.

Like Mr. Savant I too have an open mind on the 'Jewish conspiracy' thing, but also like him I find that there is a lot of contradictry evidence, not close enough to suggest 'conspiracy'.

Svet-dubr said...

I've followed one of the 'serious' links recommended by @anon 00.46, specifically that of Patrick Grimm.

The home page has this quote:

"They are the so-called neo-cons, or neo-conservatives. A compact group, almost all of whose members are Jewish. They hold the key positions in the Bush administration, as well as in the think-tanks that play an important role in formulating American policy and the ed-op pages of the influential newspapers.... Seemingly, all this is good for Israel. America controls the world, we control America. Never before have Jews exerted such an immense influence on the center of world power."

And who wrote that? One Uri Avnery in Counterpunch - and they don't come more Jewish than that.

Bit of an own goal there anon!!

Anonymous said...

Great post, DSavant. I can see you're starting to come around.

I recommend the books of Kevin MacDonald, who has provided exhaustive documentation of Jewish involvement in third world immigration policies in North America, and, to a lesser extent, in Europe.

I find it incredible that anyone would downplay the key Jewish role in the genocide of the Ukranians, the rape of Russia, and the current genociding of Whites in the US and Europe.

There are many other ethnic groups that have brains and ability and desire and work ethic and all sorts of other positive attributes. None reach the heights that Jews do.

This sort of Jewish supremacism is highly amusing. Europeans and European-descended people have far surpassed the achievements of Jews. Why pretend otherwise?

teacher.paris said...

Bashing Israel is not illegal in the United States yet, but no one who does not support Israel is employed in the MSM.

Anonymous said...

anon 14.24 says "There are many other ethnic groups that have brains and ability and desire and work ethic and all sorts of other positive attributes. None reach the heights that Jews do."

I think he misunderstands what the original commenter was trying to say

Cheeky Boy said...

Jews have very high IQ???

I spent 14 months in Israel and i can honestly say this one passed me by.

SAVANT said...

Cheeky boy, I've also spent time in Idsael and I know where you're coming from. Many of thise in israel are of questionable Jewish origin (e.g. the Falashas from Ethiopia).

However, if you look at jews world-wide the evidence is there in abundance. If you haven't seen it you must not have been paying attanetion.

PS - would you give us your conidered opinion on Israel based on your time there? I'd be interested and would publish it as a full post.

Anonymous said...

Just to be clear on who are the "masters" and who are their supposed slaves as spoken by yet another bogus "Nobel Peace Prize" winner.

"Our race is the master race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as slaves.” ~

Menachem Begin ~ Israeli Prime Minister ~ 1913-1992, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize

Afarsek said...

To Anonymous at 12 October 2009 00:33

Those bullshit remarks were NOT uttered by Menahem Begin, no matter how many times they've been copied and pasted all over the internet.
The originator seems to be a real lunatic by the name of Texxe Marrs at

http://www.texemarrs.com/112003/jewish_master_race.htm

All you Jew-bashers should enjoy reading his site.
Order some CD's while you're at it, e.g.:


"Is the Pope Catholic?
Just before his untimely death in 1978, Pope Paul VI discovered that a shocking conspiracy had arisen and was about to engulf and consume the traditional Catholic Church. In a speech, the horrified Pope soberly warned, "The smoke of Satan has entered the very sanctuary of St. Peter's basilica."

The late Pope's successor, Pope John Paul II, now leads a demonically energized religious Novus Ordo (New Order). This New Order is composed of the world's most celebrated religious leaders, including Moslem, Jewish, "Christian," Wicca, Buddhist, African Shaman, Zoroastrian, and Hindu.

The Catholic Church and former Protestant denominations are rapidly merging. The Pope has received in his forehead the Mark of Shiva (the Beast). The Pope has encouraged and allowed the Dalai Lama, god-man of Tibetan Buddhism, to use Catholic cathedrals for Buddhist rites and the worship of satanic idols. We are seeing the amazing fulfillment of Bible Prophecy.

You will be shocked as you see and hear the Pope—

Bow before the throne of Buddhism's chief monk.

Take the mark of the god Shiva (the Beast) in his forehead from a Hindu priestess.

Pray with leaders of Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, and with African tribal witchdoctors, Asian shamen, Zoroastrian fire-worshippers, and Togo snake handlers.

Kneel and pray at the gravesite of India's most famous guru.

Meet with Islamic world's top political and religious leaders.

Sit down with elite Jewish rabbis inside one of the world's greatest synagogues and declare that Jews do not need to convert to Jesus.

Meet privately with ecumenical leaders like U.S.A. evangelist Billy Graham, the Church of England's Archbishop Carey, author Chuck Colson, and charismatic healer Benny Hinn—all of whom have publicly recognized the Pope as "The world's greatest religious leader."

Participate in an occult earth ritual—led by a Native American Indian medicine-man—in which the Pope is "marked" on his forehead and accepts a feather as a talisman and charm.

Oversee young dancing priestesses in Asian pagan ceremony.

Stand beside a near-naked African tribal woman worshipper who breasts are totally bared.

Endorse the restoration of Aztec Indian rituals (which included throat-slashing, the tearing out and cannibalizing of human hearts, and the ritualistic, sacrificial murder of chosen victims.)

Eye-Opening Documentation!"



Marrs should be marched to the nearest sanatorium.

Israelieejit said...

To teacher.paris

If you would like to read a MSM newspaper that thrives on bashing Israel, you should look up

www.haaretz.com

which is an ISRAELI newspaper that attracts droves of anti-Israeli talkbackers on a daily basis. Foreign newspapers love to quote from Haaretz, assuming that if its coming from Israel it must be true.
I'm surprised that our special forces havent blown up their offices, or that their editor-in-chief hasnt been kidnapped and thrown into a dungeon somewhere, but then again, Israel is a democratic country so newspapers like Haaretz can carry on as usual.

Anonymous said...

I often wondered about the origins of that Begin quote. It seemed outlandish but it certainly has spread around the world.

teacher.paris said...

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Remembering Amnon Kapeliouk

By Franklin Lamb

01 July, 2009
Countercurrents.org

"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." -

Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk.

Ramlet al Baida Beach, Lebanon: Israeli jounalist Amnon Kapeliouk was my kind of Journalist and my kind of Jew.

Sadly, he died the other day and was buried near his birth place in West Jerusalem. For more than 40 years Kapeliouk reported on Palestinian and Arab affairs for half a dozen newspapers and was an old school Robert Fisk- Janet Stevens’s type journalist for whom reporting meant getting to the scene fast and carefully scribing with pencil and note pad.

I knew Kapeliouk mainly through his writings and a dozen or so path crossings over the years following our first improbable encounter during the infamous Beirut summer 1982. Those months of US-armed Israeli carnage, which continue to shape the region, left him with an indelible scar. He once told me: “I can’t forget. It doesn’t fade. I don’t think it ever will.” I understood what he meant.

In his last communication he said he would try to attend the 27th Anniversary Memorial to the victims of the Sabra-Shatila Massacre set for this coming September 16-18 at Beirut’s Shatila Camp. ...

Franklin Lamb is doing research in Beirut and is temperary Chair of the Sabra-Shatila Foundation. He is reachable at fplamb@sabrashatila.org.

teacher.paris said...

On Google you will find Results 1 - 10 of about 14,400 for Amnon Kapeliouk. (0.05 seconds

On Google you will find Results 1 - 10 of about 411,000 for Franklin Lamb. (0.24 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 474 for Franklin Lamb amnon kapeliouk. (0.16 seconds)

teacher.paris said...

Apparently Mainsteam Ameican journalists cannot find Haaretz. They find it too hard to read English.

Cheeky Boy said...

Jews world-wide of european(ashkenazi)origin you mean.. They've always been described as cunning and deceitful, which may be described as intelligent i suppose.
They do have one advantage though, their ethno-centric view of the world, ' is it good for jews'.And to this end do they strive.
You can see for yourself on web sites such as The Jewish Chronicle.
When whites act the same way they're denounced as nazis and racists. A little unfair methinks.
What would they have done without the holocaust? Not that i fall for the guilt trip thing.

Anonymous said...

If one has the energy and drive to explore the history of the Jews 2 comprehensive websites come to mind http://www.revisionisthistory.org/
http://www.iamthewitness.com/

Btw I enjoy your musings... with or without the Jewish question.

Israelieejit said...

To teacher.paris

You're getting your knickers in a twist with the quote and Amnon Kapeliouk.

"Our race is the master race...etc." attributed to Begin in the Knesset is totally fabricated, bogus, a hoax, false. HE NEVER SAID IT !!!!! Can you understand that ????

The quote Amnon Kapeliouk reported on was quite different.

CAMERA:
" Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute this derogation of Palestnians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:

Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:

For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.

On June 8, 1982, Begin addressed the Knesset in response to a no-confidence motion over Israel's invasion of Lebanon. He talked about defending the children of Israel, and according to a June 9, 1982 AP report, “his voice quaver[ed] with anger and sadness.” According to the minutes of the session, Begin stated:

The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.

Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception."

Teacher.Paris - just because something is copied hundreds of times on the internet, it does not make it true. Have a bit of sense.

SAVANT said...

These exchanges underline the value of permitting a range of views on a blog. I had heard that quote about Begin many time. Thought it horrific but also found it hard to believe he'd say it.

The exchange between teacher-paris (and others)on one side and Israelieejit one the other has me yo-yoing between the alternative explanations.

Israelieejit ahead at present but that could change with the next salvo!!

Anonymous said...

I do not agree that israelieejit is ahead. it is very much an open issue still. The quotations are disputable.

Israelieejit said...

Anonymous at 19:57

NOTHING will convince you the quote is false if you've already decided its real. Begin's dead.

Some internet sources claim it was said in the Knesset, others mention a Jimmy Carter involvement.

First of all, Begin would have spoken in Hebrew. Searching for this quote in Hebrew comes up with a big zero. No mention of the quote, no questioning of it, no debating of it - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It only appears in English on dodgy sites, usually without a source.

From Debatebothsides:
Can anyone SOURCE this quote?

"Our race is the Master Race. etc.

The CLAIM is that it was said by Prime Minister Menachem Begin to President Carter.
The quote shows up hundreds of times on the internet. I want to know if anyone can find a demonstrably legitimate source showing that President Carter made this allegation. I will not consider the web pages of non-professionals as a legitimate source. If a US President actually said this, there SHOULD be a trustworthy source for it somewhere.
I want to know if it's genuine."



" Dear Archivist, Jimmy Carter Library
I have read an article by Texe Marrs that has the following passage:

*****

No Basis for Peace

In his memoirs of his years in the White House, former President Jimmy Carter wrote that there could have been peace between the Arabs and the Israelis had it not been for the bigoted, Nazi-like racial views of Israeli's Prime Minister Menachem Begin.

Begin, Carter recalled, believed the Jews were a Master Race, a holy people superior to Egyptians and Arabs. Begin also believed that God wanted the Jews to own the land, so there was absolutely no basis for peace. The Jews lusted after the land and intended to have it. Period.

******

Texe Marrs does not reference the above as a quote nor as a footnote.

My question is did President Carter write the above in his memoirs?

Thank you for any help you can give me to ascertain the truth in this matter."


Reply:

"Dear Kirk:

There is scarcely one true statement in the article quote you sent us. Carter DID bring about a peace treaty (that has stood for almost 30 years) between Egypt and Israel. Begin and Sadat DID sign the treaty, so obviously Begin was not the hold up. Menachem Begin may have apprehension about Arabs, but that is far from accusing him of being Nazi-like and racist. Carter, who has never been a name-caller, certainly did not use these terms in his memoirs.

Begin, like many Israelis, may have thought the Jews were a "Chosen People" (after all, the Bible calls them that) but that is far from assuming that they were a "master race", above all others. In their role as a "Chosen People" the Jews have been as much chastised by God as rewarded. Far from it being a fact that "The Jews lusted after the land and intended to have it" the majority of Israelis were glad to surrender the Sinai and some other land in order to secure the Camp David accords.

Your Texe Marrs sounds a bit "Nazi-like" and "racist" himself. Playing fast and loose with the facts, he seems to want to recruit Jimmy Carter as an unwillling testimony to his anti-semitism. It is no wonder he does not cite his source for his quotes. In neither "Keeping Faith" nor "The Blood of Abraham", Carter's two main writings on the Israeli peace negotiations, does Carter say anything harsh about Begin, though they did not always agree.

Hope this answers your question.

Albert Nason

Archivist, Jimmy Carter Library
Carter Library

Israelieejit said...

Further proof of the hoax:

"Begin Center Diary
This blog is a support for the main Menachem Begin Heritage Center site while some major overhauling of its administrative page is being done.

This past week, the Begin Center received this request for information:

Can you please help me with this?

This quote

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

is attributed to Begin and it is all over the web.

Do you know where it came from?




This was our reply:


Dear S_____,

I gave your request to our director of information and content and after some thorough research, I have the following for you:

First of all, Mr. Begin never said those words and there is no factual basis for that quote. When we searched for the quote, we found that it looped back to the same text by Texe Marrs, who does not say that he is quoting Begin.

Further research at this site showed that the quote was attributed to "Amnon Kapeliouk's article "Begin and the Beasts" (New Statesman, June 25, 1982) which was infamous for having misrepresented some remarks Menachem Begin said in a speech to the Knesset, and there are legitimate sources all over the net that make reference to that incident.

However, the misrepresented quote is not the one cited ("Our race is the Master Race", etc.), but another one entirely (see below). Clearly, someone invented the "Master Race" quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility. However, even the REAL (and far less offensive) quote has now been proven to have been misrepresented by Kapeliouk.

The REAL story involving Kapeliouk's article is provided by a media-watch group called CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America), which regularly debunks bogus news reports and misquotes.

Here:

...Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute the derogation of Palestinians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:

Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts, "New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:

For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanize the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was referring not to "the Palestinians" in a general sense but very specifically, he was referring to terrorists who target children within Israel...Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception...

I hope that helps.


Moreover, we will be conferring with others in Israel and abroad to attempt to verify that the no one has ever heard or seen this quote and whether it is authentic. At present, we understand that there is no reliable source and until proven otherwise, which we doubt can be done based on our archival mateiral and personal familiarity with Mr. Begin, we reject the veracity of the words supposedly either spoken or conveyed. The quotation is bogus. "

teacher.paris said...

A self-confessed Israei-idiot ought to know that Camera report does not deal with the quote we are discussing here.
I have suggested in other places that residents of Satan's Kingdom could go to a local research library and look at the cited issue of the New Statesman.
[When I researched a similar issue in USA I found that every copy of the relevant issue had been mutilated in the university libraries!]
There is nothing out of character in the Begin quote or contary to the remarks of mainstream rabbis while talking to Jews.
Anyone may write Mr. Lamb; his address is in my previous post.

teacher.paris said...

On CAMERA from Wikipedia:
CAMERA has been noted for its pro-Israel media monitoring and advocacy.[5][6][7][8] CAMERA releases reports to counter what it calls "frequently inaccurate and skewed characterizations of Israel and of events in the Middle East" that it believes may fuel anti-Israel and anti-Jewish prejudice.[3] The group mobilizes protests against what it describes as unfair media coverage by issuing full-page ads in newspapers,[9] organizing demonstrations,[10] and encouraging sponsors to withhold funds.[10] Gershom Gorenberg says CAMERA is "Orwellian-named"[11] and that "like others engaged in the narrative wars, it does not understand the difference between advocacy and accuracy".[12] Other critics have described CAMERA as a special interest group[13] fighting for a pro-Israeli bias.[14][15]

In May 2008, five Wikipedia editors involved in a secret CAMERA campaign to edit Wikipedia were sanctioned by Wikipedia administrators, who wrote that the project's open nature "is fundamentally incompatible with the creation of a private group to surreptitiously coordinate editing by ideologically like-minded individuals".[16]

Israelieejit said...

teacher.paris

I think you must be totally dense.

I already stated that CAMERA does not deal with the "Our race is the master rate quote".
However, some internet sites attribute the source of this quote as Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts" claiming Begin uttered it during a session in the Israeli Parliament.
As stated in the Begin Heritage site, in that Statesman article Kapeliouk claims Begin was demonizing Palestinians calling them bests walking on two legs.

Begin never made the "Ours is the master race" speech.
How do you explain that after being in Israel for 30 years, I've never heard of such an uttering and cant find any inkling of it in Hebrew, which was his spoken language?? How do you explain that Arab MPs would let such an utterance slide?? If Begin had made such remarks, the Arab population of Israel (20%) would have gone bonkers, rioting all over the place.
There's a saying in Israel: "Prove you dont have a sister". Wild allegations cannot easily be disproved.

Anonymous said...

To enola:


Funny how when an immigrant group moves into someone else's country, and 'sticks together' it also seems to me sticking it to the native population really really hard.

Basically you're saying that Jewish criminal behavior, deceitfulness, and nepotism are to be expected from their history of persecution. But you've failed to explain why any sane society would want such a traumatized group with those sorts of aberrant behavior.

No excuses for the Nazi's, than no excuses for the Jews.

Israelieejit said...

CAMERA is indeed active in contacting media outlets requesting them to correct innacurate, false or misleading "facts" about Israel. If you look on their site, you can see lists of such corrections and requests for corrections.
For example, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz wrote: (Ha'aretz Magazine, Gideon Levy, 1/21/05): Have you ever stopped for a moment next to a sign that leads to the Ofer camp, a euphemism for a mass detention facility in which about 800,000 Palestinians are now imprisoned, most of them without trial?
Correction: (On Web site as of 1/28/05, not corrected in print): Have you ever stopped for a moment next to a sign that leads to the Ofer camp, a euphemism for a mass detention facility in which about 800 Palestinians are now imprisoned, most of them without trial?

Uncorrected:
Error ( Guardian, Mark Crocker, book review, 1/21/06): Arabs "could neither appeal the decision, nor apply for compensation" for land they had lost in 1948.

Fact: According to the Israel Lands Administration Report for 1993 cited on CAMERA's web site, Arabs who lost property in Israel are eligible to file for compensation from Israel's Custodian of Absentee Property.

As of the end of 1993, a total of 14,692 claims had been filed, claims had been settled with respect to more than 200,000 dunums of land, more than 10,000,000 NIS (New Israeli Sheckels) had been paid in compensation, and more than 54,000 dunums of replacement land had been given in compensation.

Uncorrected:
Error (Guardian, Ghada Karmi, 5/15/06): .... Israeli forces in the 1948-1949 war were greater in number and better equipped than the Arab armies that attacked them.

Fact: Israeli historian Benny Morris laid out the relative strengths of Jewish and Arab forces at the start of the 1948 war in an article published in the New Republic on May 8, 2006.

When Israel declared its Independence in 1948, Arab forces possessed a decisive advantage in weapons and combat manpower. The following comparison illustrates this advantage:
1) Combat aircraft: Arabs possessed 70 — the Jews had 0
2) Standard armored fighting vehicles: Arabs possessed over 200 — the Jews had 2 (one of which was missing its cannon)
3) Artillery pieces: Arabs possessed dozens — the Jews had 2 batteries

Uncorrected:
Error (New York Times, Op-Ed by Rashid Khalidi, 1/8/09): Israel still controls access to the area, imports and exports, and the movement of people in and out.

Fact: Although Israel naturally controls it's own border with the Gaza Strip, the Gaza-Egypt border is controlled by Hamas and Egypt, and not Israel. This has been made clear by Egypt's periodic opening of the crossing point without regard to Israel's wishes. You can find a detailed discussion of this issue here.

The list goes on and on.

Wikipedia can be edited by ANYONE. CAMERA should have an open campaign to correct all the false "information" connected with Israel.

Once again, repeating the lie that Menahem Begin made that statement does not make it TRUE.

Likewise, the hoax Arik Sharon quote: “Don’t worry about American pressure, we control America,” which origniated from the pro-Hamas group, the Islamic Association for Palestine.

Israelieejit said...

teacher.paris

I'll throw the ball back in your court.
Why dont you ask Menahem Begin's son if his father made such comments?
He's currently serving in the Israeli parliament (Knesset)

Dr. Ze'ev Binyamin Begin
Phone: 972 2 6408022
Email: bbegin@knesset.gov.il

Israelieejit said...

Clarification:
Just seen that I posted earlier under "Afarsek" which is my sudoku user-name(!)
I'm not a sneaky, conniving little Jew posting under two identities, lest anyone think so.

Anonymous said...

Other right-wing rabbis have been quoted in the local media referring to Palestinians as subhuman or as animals, arguing that as non-Jews their lives are of inferior value.

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081002/FOREIGN/912383711

Anonymous said...

In fact I was going to make the same point as Israelieejit. If Begin had actually said that it would have explded all over the world.

Israelieejit said...

To Anon at 19:39

We were discussing a disgusting narrative attributed to Menahem Begin. Dont try to change the subject!

teacher.paris said...

Anti-gentile decrees are issued with greater frequency nowadays than at any time in the past. In 2004 the authoritative rabbinic holy book, "Romemut Yisrael Ufarashat Hagalut" ("Jewish Superiority and the Question of Exile") was issued by Rabbi Sadya Grama of Lakewood, New Jersey.

Grama is an alumnus of Beth Medrash Govoha, a prestigious Orthodox yeshiva (Talmud school). In his book-length decree, Rabbi Grama issued the following statement, "The Jew by his source and in his very essence is entirely good. The goy, by his source and in his very essence, is completely evil. This is not simply a matter of religious distinction, but rather of two completely different species."

teacher.paris said...

Merkaz Harav (the Rabbi’s Center) is the ideological and theological central nervous system of religious Zionism in Israel. Established in honor of Rabbi Abraham Kook, Israel’s first Chief Rabbi, the center, which is actually a religious college, teaches students that God Almighty created the entire universe for the sake of “the Jew,” and that all non-Jews ought to be slaves laboring for the “chosen people.”

As to the Palestinians, Merkaz Harav teaches that “non-Jews living under Jewish law in Eretz Yisrael (Land of Israel) must either be enslaved as water carriers and wood hewers, or banished, or exterminated.”

Some rabbinic authorities associated with Merkaz Harav have been preaching the view that Palestinians are descendants of the Amalek, or Amalekites, whom the Bible says must be totally exterminated.

teacher.paris said...

The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, describing the difference between Jews and non-Jews:

We do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather we have a case of ...a totally different species.... The body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world [...]

The difference of the inner quality [of the body] [...] is so great that the bodies would be considered as completely different species.

This is the reason why the Talmud states that there is an halachic difference in attitude about the bodies of non-Jews [as opposed to the bodies of Jews] ‘their bodies are in vain’.[...]

An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.

teacher.paris said...

Again, all things being equal – which they are not – if there was no risk of provoking hatred, of stirring up antisemitism, Orthodox Jews would be forbidden to save non-Jewish life on the Sabbath. That means even if no other non-Jews were there and able to save that life. Which means that, in this case, the non-Jew would die while the Orthodox Jew sat idly by eating his chulent (Sabbath stew).

Spock said...

It seems like the Othodox are a nasty peace of work, but seems to me that they're not at all like 'ordinary' Jews. Every religion or group has it's extremists.

Anonymous said...

Is there a Master Plan in operation to destroy the 'white' race operated by a Jewish cabal?Reading the post and all the comments, I'm still none the wiser.

Israelieejit said...

teacher.paris

I see you've conveniently dropped the Begin issue.
Now you've handpicked a few radical rabbis as though their ideas and beliefs are mainstream among the Orthodox Jews.

However, most religions have their extremists be they rabbis, immams or pastors.

For the record, within normal Orthodox Judaism an observant Jew must desecrate the Sabbath to save a Gentile's life.

I could quote from dozens of Rabbis to prove this point but, to be honest, cant be bothered to translate and type them up. You would only ignore the proof and skew off in a new direction of Jew-attack.

Perhaps one day you'll learn to put aside your hatred and realise that Jews are as varied and multifaceted as any other people.

Israelieejit said...

To Anon @ 20:38

Re: Operation of a Master Plan

Who could be in charge of such a plan? Who/where's the boss and who/where're the operators?

How/ to whom do orders get sent down?

Which language is used to secretly influence the worldwide Jewish community? English, Hebrew, Spanish, French, German, telepathy, sign language?

Perhaps the Master Plan Code is inherited genetically through a special Jewish gene?
Alternatively, during the circumcision ceremony, perhaps a special Master Plan Code microchip is secretly inserted into every Jewish male's penis.

Just throwing out a few ideas.

kirk said...

Yeah, I agree. The EVIDENCE for a Master Plan is very weak. Lots of speculation, lots of quotations, lots of second-hand sources, but I for one am not convinced.

teacher.paris said...

At a psychology workshop in America, Jewish psycholgists 1 and 2 assigned readings by Jewish psychologists 3, 4, 5, and 6. When I asked for some more suggrestions, they added Jewish psycholgiest 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12.

teacher.paris said...

As as Maimonides stated the position:

Deaths of non-Jews with whom we are not at war and Jewish shepherds of sheep and goats and similar people should not be caused, although it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death. If, for example, one of them is seen falling into the sea, he should not be rescued. As it is written: “Neither shall you stand against the blood of your fellow” (Leviticus 19:16) but he [the non-Jew] is not your fellow.37

Laws of Murder and Preservation of Life, chapter 4, rule 11

teacher.paris said...

As Rabbi Abraham Yitzhak Kook, put it, “The difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews -- all of them in all different levels -- is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.

Israelieejit said...

teacher.paris

Why are you pathetically quoting Maimonides? He died in 1204!
Get out of the Middle Ages and fast forward to the 21st century.

"Is it lawful to save the life of a Gentile on Sabbath?
by The Jerusalem Council

I have been studying Rambam’s (Maimonides) Hilchos Melachim, and I am not sure how certain portions of it are applied in today’s world. I was wondering if you could possibly shed some light on this: If a goy requires medical treatment on Shabbos, does the Halacha hold that: a) A Jewish doctor is obliged to treat him, b) A Jewish doctor is forbidden to treating him, or c) A Jewish doctor is permitted to treat him, but may refrain from doing so if he so chooses. I understand there may be other factors involved that may complicate a ruling. Obviously I’m not asking for a specific psak, I just want to understand the general rule here. Thanks a lot.

The rule is that it is not only permissible, but it is commanded, and it is prudent to save the life of anyone, even on Shabbat, if it is within your ability to do so, whether the patient is either a Jew or gentile; and to even hesitate over such a decision on Shabbat, is itself a violation of Shabbat.

Please see the attached deliberation for details.

Israel b. Betzalel
Dayan
The Jerusalem Council Beit Din (Law Court)

My understanding of Torah is that the ruling would be the same for a Jew, a non-Jew or even a donkey. If treatment would be given to a Jew on Shabbat, it must be given to the non-Jew as well. In fact, if one were to stop to question the religion or ethnicity of the person before treatment he has violated Shabbat. One must not hesitate.

Shalom
Yoseph

I agree with Yoseph’s post. And per Yeshua we are commanded to do good, which there was no “race” placed on the recipient.
Mac
I concurr.

Nevertheless, even Biblical violations of the Sabbath are warranted for non-Jews ‘on account of enmity,’ i.e., if the refusal to render such aid may imperil Jews. This stipulation is explicitly made by R. Moses Schreiber (Chatam Sopher, Yoreh De’ah, no. 131; cited in Pitchel Teshuvah, Yoreh De’ah, 154).

I would counsel that since one never knows if saving the life of a goy could one day save yours, it is prudent to save the life of anyone within your means, even on Shabbat, whether goy or yid – and that this is understood from the Torah when it says “choose life” – without precondition.

Israel

I should also mention that the rabbis at askmoses.com concurr:

Rabbi Jacob “jewish law requires that one save the life of anyone.”

It is written “Do not go around spreading slander among your people, but also don’t stand idly by when your neighbor’s life is at stake;” (Leviticus/Vayikra 19:16)

Israel

Israelieejit said...

"NEW YORK (Reuters) - Billionaire hedge fund founder Raj Rajaratnam and five executives from some of the most prestigious U.S. companies were charged on Friday with the largest hedge fund insider-trading scheme ever.

Investigators said they used court-approved telephone wire taps for the first time in a Wall Street insider trading case, sending shivers through the hedge fund industry which has traditionally picked up and shared trading tips to make big profits.

At the center of the case are executives from hedge funds Galleon and New Castle, which was a unit of Bear Stearns Asset Management, and executives from major American companies such as IBM, top consulting firm McKinsey & Co and chip giant Intel Corp.

"This is not a garden-variety insider trading case," Preet Bharara, the U.S. Attorney for Manhattan, said at a news conference. He said the scheme made more than $20 million in illegal profits over several years.

One of the criminal complaints accuses Rajaratnam, 52, considered the richest Sri Lankan in the world, of conspiring with Intel employee Rajiv Goel and Anil Kumar, a director of powerful management consulting firm McKinsey & Co. The alleged offenses took place over three years starting in January 2006.

Galleon had as much as $7 billion under management, the complaint said. Intel Capital is the investment arm of Intel.

A second criminal complaint accused three other people -- Danielle Chiesi, Mark Kurland and Robert Moffat -- of insider trading crimes and earning millions of dollars in illegal profits."

Why is the religion of these people not mentioned?
Is that fact irrelevant when no Jews are involved?

teacher.paris said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22yeshiva-t.html?_r=1

"The Orthodox Paradox" by Noah Feldman is a law professor at Harvard University and adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

"One time at Maimonides [ private Jewish school in New York ] a local physician — a well-known figure in the community who later died tragically young — addressed a school assembly on the topic of the challenges that a modern Orthodox professional may face. The doctor addressed the Talmudic dictum that the saving of a life trumps the Sabbath. He explained that in its purest form, this principle applies only to the life of a Jew. The rabbis of the Talmud, however, were unprepared to allow the life of a non-Jew to be extinguished because of the no-work commandment, and so they ruled that the Sabbath could be violated to save the life of a non-Jew out of concern for maintaining peaceful relations between the Jewish and non-Jewish communities.

Depending on how you look at it, this ruling is either an example of outrageously particularist religious thinking, because in principle it values Jewish life more than non-Jewish life, or an instance of laudable universalism, because in practice it treats all lives equally. The physician quite reasonably opted for the latter explanation. And he added that he himself would never distinguish Jewish from non-Jewish patients: a human being was a human being.

This appealing sentiment did not go unchallenged. One of my teachers rose to suggest that the doctor’s attitude was putting him in danger of violating the Torah. The teacher reported that he had himself heard from his own rabbi, a leading modern-Orthodox Talmudist associated with Yeshiva University, that in violating the Sabbath to treat a non-Jew, intention was absolutely crucial. If you intended to save the patient’s life so as to facilitate good relations between Jews and non-Jews, your actions were permissible. But if, to the contrary, you intended to save the patient out of universal morality, then you were in fact guilty of violating the Sabbath, because the motive for acting was not the motive on the basis of which the rabbis allowed the Sabbath violation to occur.

Later, in class, the teacher apologized to us students for what he said to the doctor. His comments, he said, were inappropriate — not because they were wrongheaded, but because non-Jews were present in the audience when he made them. The double standard of Jews and non-Jews, in other words, was for him truly irreducible: it was not just about noting that only Jewish lives merited violation of the Sabbath, but also about keeping the secret of why non-Jewish lives might be saved."

Israelieejit said...

A load of crap teacher.

I again state emphatically:
"The RULE is that it is not only permissible, but it is COMMANDED, and it is prudent to save the life of anyone, even on Shabbat, if it is within your ability to do so, whether the patient is either a Jew or gentile; and to even hesitate over such a decision on Shabbat, is itself a violation of Shabbat."


Now you're referring to orthodox doctors. Any hesitation on their part would seriously violate the hypocratic oath to which they are bound.

When my friend's daughter went to a university interview before becoming a medical student, she was asked a hypothetical question. This was during a particularly tense period of suicide bombings in Israel.
She was asked, "If you came across a traffic accident with the injured being a Jew and an Arab, who would you treat first?"
Obviously, the sought-after answer was that she would quickly assess the injuries and then first treat whoever was in the most serious condition.
I have LIVED this reality for the past 30 years. Go to any Israeli hospital on a Saturday and see Orthodox doctors doing their shifts as usual. Working alongside Arab doctors.

Anonymous said...

Israeliiejit -
YOU FUCKIN ROCK DUDE!

I lived in Israel & they look after you, Jew or Gentile.

Potgieter

Israelieejit said...

Thanks Potgieter!

You're welcome back to Israel any time!

teacher.paris said...

The Jewish Problem
Jews have a huge problem and it will not go away by ignoring it. Or blaming others. Denial causes the problem only to become bigger. It has been around for more than two thousand years, and if we don’t fix it now, the consequences will be catastrophic.
I want to make it very clear: The problem is not anti-Semitism. The latter is just a symptom of the problem, not its cause. The problem is Jewishness itself.
Being Jewish does something to the human brain. It affects how we think, feel and act. It makes us feel both superior to and afraid of non-Jews. It makes us treat other human beings in ways that cannot be reconciled with universal human values.
What makes a Jew a Jew?
The answer to the question what makes a Jew a Jew is not as easy as it might seem. Since modern Jews consist of three ethnically distinct groups, Eurasian Ashkenazi, Afro-Iberian Sephardic and Middle-Eastern Oriental Jews, it is not ethnicity. Given the fact that the vast majority of modern Jews are atheists or agnostics, it isn’t religion either. The determining factor is merely the belief of being Jewish and the state of mind that comes with it. That state of mind has much resemblance to clinical manic-depression. On the one hand, there is this strong sense of superiority and chosenness, on the other hand an intense paranoia.
Jewish Supremacism
The reasons for the strong sense of Jewish superiority vary from person to person in any possible combination:
• Chosenness: founded in Torah teachings that God favours Jews over non-Jews,
• Religious racism: founded in Talmudic teachings that non-Jews are animals in human shape, created by God to serve and enrich Jews,
• Ethnic racism: founded in beliefs that Jews have historically proven to be more intelligent, clever or otherwise genetically superior to non-Jews,
• Social-Darwinism: founded in the belief that Jews are an ethnic group superior to others, to which they are in competition for the survival of the fittest.
Jewish Paranoia
Jewish paranoia is caused and maintained by the typical Jewish diet of reports on acts of anti-Semitism, especially the gruesome narrative of the so-called Holocaust. In fact it is almost impossible to be a Jew without being constantly bombarded with stories, books, news, films, conferences, museums etc containing the most graphic descriptions of acts of hatred against Jews. While this daily dose is strong enough to brainwash even the most robust adult into believing that the world is full of people out to kill him, the effect on impressionable young children and teenagers is in fact traumatic.
Jewish Psychopathy
It is unclear whether the high occurrence of clinical psychopathy amongst Jews is the result of the limited Jewish gene pool or the deadly mix of Jewish supremacism and paranoia. What is clear though is that the unconditional support of many Jews towards other Jews, even to the most horrid gangsters and psychopaths, protects and encourages those monsters and makes it difficult for society to rid itself of those threats to human society.
Our mission
The mission of Jews Anonymous is to help Jews realise that they have a huge problem that they can no longer ignore. That Jewishness is neither a race nor a religion, but a pathological mental condition that requires urgent treatment for the sake of mankind as a whole. That for a Jew to become a valuable human being, he must recant Jewishness and become what’s known as former or recovering Jew. He must become Earthian, no more and no less.This is the first step for Jews to embrace all of mankind, regardless of heritage, nationality, religion or race.
For more go to: http://www.jews-anonymous.org

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Anonymous said...

@ teacher_paris. But doesn't the fact that 'Jews Anonymous' are themselves jews give the lie to this? It's a point that Savant makes all the time - namely that the most effective opponents of 'misbehaving' Jews are Jews themselves.

teacher.paris said...

No.

There have always been a handful of Jews who defect to the human race. They are always rejected by the remainder.

When her only child was dying of cancer, Mrs. L. did not visit him on his deathbed because he had rejected the persecution of Palestinians.

I did.

Anonymous said...

teacher_paris: Are you saying you're, as it were, a 'refrmed' Jew?????

Israelieejit said...

So that's your new angle teacher.paris?

Jews are manic-depressive, superior, paranoid, inbred psychopaths.

What a load of bullshit rolled up into one narrative!

Anonymous said...

Savant says " Also the most effective opponents of ‘The Jews’ have time and again been, well, the Jews."

This may be true but it proves nothing. Any group will have exceptions, and these ARE exceptions.

SAVANT said...

onon 9.43. maybe they are exceptions, but there's one hell of a lot of exceptions, you must agree.

Israelieejit said...

Savant, from growing up in Britain I can honestly state that the English always look down on the Irish. The people are "educated" to believe that all Irish are absolute idiots, always drunk, bad-tempered and mostly ginger-haired. This kind of stereotyping is bloody annoying!

SAVANT said...

I know that Israelieejit, and yes, most annoying for those of us to whom it did not apply.

Still, as I said in this post, http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2007/11/brits-and-paddies.html the reaction was all too often justified.

Anonymous said...

As Maxim Gorky put it: "Whatever nonsense the anti-Semites may talk, they dislike the Jew only because he is obviously better, more adroit, and more capable of work than they are." Whether driven by culture or genes -- or like most behavior, an inextricable mix -- the fact of Jewish genius is demonstrable. It can be gainsaid only by people who do not expect to be believed.

Anonymous said...

Israelieejit...you're trying much TOO hard in trying to score points over such a minor issue as to who said what. So, I do question your motives.

Now, Benjamin Freedman is one Jew to whom I would consider credible.

teacher.paris said...

(AP) – Oct. 27, 2009

BERLIN — An ultraconservative British bishop was fined $16,822 (euro12,000) in Germany for denying the Holocaust in an interview with Swedish television, his lawyer said Tuesday.

A court in the Bavarian city of Regensburg issued the fine against Richard Williamson for incitement in connection with his Holocaust denial, Williamson's lawyer Matthias Lossmann said.

"We received the order of punishment on Monday and my client has time until Nov. 9 to react to it," Lossmann said. He gave no indication how Williamson would react.

An order of punishment is a German legal tool that involves no trial but is equivalent to a conviction if accepted by the defendant. If the defendant objects, it goes to trial.

The investigation of whether Williamson broke German laws against Holocaust denial was launched after the interview was aired earlier this year. In it, Williamson said he didn't believe any Jews were killed in gas chambers during World War II.

The interview was conducted near Regensburg and was granted shortly before Williamson's excommunication was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI, along with that of three other bishops from the anti-modernization movement of the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

The lifting of Williamson's excommunication sparked outrage among Jewish groups and in Israel. The Vatican's handling of the affair prompted criticism from German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Earlier this month, Williamson was quoted by the weekly Der Spiegel as saying he tried to have an injunction issued to block the interview's release in Germany.

"I tried to ... prevent my interview with Swedish television from being broadcast in Germany via the Internet," Williamson was quoted as saying. He could use that argument should the case go to trial.

Israelieejit said...

To Anon @ 27 October 2009 17:50

"Israelieejit...you're trying much TOO hard in trying to score points over such a minor issue as to who said what. So, I do question your motives." Anon.

My motives are truth, honesty and fairness.
As for your Benjamin Freedman source (whom I've never heard of). I only skimmed through the speech but it seems he had a very wild imagination. In 1961 he declared the U.S. would be imminently fighting for the Jews in Israel. Sending all the American boys over and would be up against all the non-caucasians in the world... Sounds a bit of a mad-hatter.

Israelieejit said...

Googling Anon's Benjamin Freedman, most of the links refer to the 1961
speech.
However, the first interesting rebuttal is "Twenty Five Lies of Benjamin Freedman"


http://bluwiki.com/go/The_Benjamin_Freedman_Speech

Anonymous said...

Freedman is but one person, and it seems to underline savant's point that the most effective opponents of Jews are other jews.

teacher.paris said...

PARIS — French judges ordered a far-right black comedian to pay 20,000 euros (30,000 dollars) Tuesday over an anti-Semitic stunt during a stage show in which he invited a notorious Holocaust denier onto stage.

The Paris court fined Dieudonne M'bala M'bala, a 43-year-old French stand up, 10,000 euros for his "public anti-Semitic insults" and told him to pay a further 10,000 in damages and legal fees to organisations that sued him.

He was prosecuted after he invited Robert Faurisson, an academic who has been convicted of Holocaust denial, onto stage during a Paris comedy show to receive a satirical award from an actor dressed as a Jewish deportee.

The comic admitted at the hearing that the show had been a "comedy bomb attack" but defended his right to free expression. Anti-racism and Jewish defence organisations welcomed the verdict.
Dieudonne, a former anti-racism campaigner whose father was Cameroonian, often courts controversy and this year tried to enter politics by standing for the European parliament as head of an "anti-Zionist" party.

In September 2007, Dieudonne was fined after he accused Jews of exploiting "memorial pornography" and attacked a "Zionist lobby which cultivates the idea of their unique suffering ... and has declared war on the black world."

Two months later he was back in court and was fined 5,000 euros for having compared Jews to "slave-traders". He remains under investigation over a video circulating on the Internet in which he appears to attack a "yid Zionist lobby" led by "racist liars".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z8AkcdnDIo&feature=player_embedded

teacher.paris said...

Jewish humorist.

http://curtmaynardsnewestblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/jew-larry-david-urinates-on-painting-of.html

Scottish said...

No because Jews didn't pull of the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 or control the post Russian economy through theft, murder, blackmail and terrorism which you forgot to mention George Soros and Lord Jacob Rothschild who forwarded the money to Khoderkovsky for the rigged privatisation auction and control the Russian mafia which is actually Jewish. The same can be said of Ukraine and the failed IMF attempt in Belarus.

Perhaps all these Jewish authors and reporters are lying.

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/open.htm

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/capitalists.htm

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/criruss.htm

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/commun.htm

Here’s hoping Oleg and Mother Russia all the best.

Best wishes from Scotland.

"Whosoever shall come to us with the sword shall perish by it. Upon this stood and stands the land of Russia". St Prince Alexander Nevsky, in the 13th century

john said...

Oleg is correct. The jews'intelligence' has nothing to do with it - their conspiracies, control of media and banking and ethnic solidarity are the obvious movers behind their success. The maybe not so obvious to most is the support from their father the devil ; Jesus said so himself.

Vamshi Krishna Kancharla said...


I have reliable proofs that "Oleg Bogdanov" steals the work of others. He stole my work ( project with exceptionally high impact that can change the lives/careers of so many people ) through various manipulative tactics ( Including but not limited to => Low balling, deception & blatant lies ). I am the victim just because not many people in the "Software Industry" know me personally. I am a nobody to them => 32/33 year old telugu boy from India.

How do you think he brings ideas from a different location through flight? Has anyone ever questioned his unplanned travels? Not sure if he has been doing it through-out his career, but know for a fact that he steals ( Direct experience ).

Vamshi Krishna Kancharla said...


I have reliable proofs to establish the fact that Oleg bogdanov Steals the work of others.
He has stolen my work ( project with exceptionally high impact that can change the lives/careers of so many people ) through various manipulative tactics ( Including but not limited to low balling, deception & lies ). I am the victim just because of poor visibility ( not many people in the Industry know me personally ). I am nobody to them => Just a simple 32/33 year old telugu boy from India.

How do you think he "gets/transfers" the ideas from a different location through flight? ( Its through his deceptive & interrogative tactics ). Has anyone ever questioned his unplanned & unorganized travels?