Wednesday, 11 March 2009

A pyrrhic victory?

Chas W. Freeman, Jr. was nominated to be the chairman of the National Intelligence Council under the Obama Administration. This did not please AIPAC, the Neocons or any other elements of the US branch of Israel’s Likud Party. This development was referred to as ‘this alarming appointment’ by one David Rosen on his blog.

By way of substantiation, he cited the following horrific examples of Freeman’s views on Israel:

"As long as the United States continues unconditionally to provide the subsidies and political protection that make the Israeli occupation and the high-handed and self-defeating policies it engenders possible, there is little, if any, reason to hope that anything resembling the former peace process can be resurrected. Israeli occupation and settlement of Arab lands is inherently violent. ...And as long as such Israeli violence against Palestinians continues, it is utterly unrealistic to expect that Palestinians will stand down from violent resistance and retaliation against Israelis.”

The next one:

“We [the US] have reflexively supported the efforts of a series of right-wing Israeli governments to undo the Oslo accords and to pacify the Palestinians rather than make peace with them. ... The so-called "two-state solution" - is widely seen in the region as too late and too little. Too late, because so much land has been colonized by Israel that there is not enough left for a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel; too little, because what is on offer looks to Palestinians more like an Indian reservation than a country."

Now I have considerable sympathy for Israel, and comparatively little for Palestinian society (see this post), but the cited statements to me seem absolute common sense. As long as the US provides virtually unconditional support for the Israeli Occupation Parties there will be no peace in the region. Now it could well be the case that even if they did withdraw back to pre-1966 borders, a lasting peace won't follow anyway. But we’ll never know as long as they continue to expand their occupation.

In any event, Freeman’s views, which are indistinguishable from those of the average European, showed a welcome willingness to re-examine the prevailing failed policies. But, as Daniel Pipes says in his blog “within hours [of the appointment being announced], the word was out; and three weeks later Freeman has conceded defeat.”

And that is true. Pipes and the rest of Likud-in-exile see this as a ‘great victory’.


Maybe, but it could be a pyrrhic one. I outlined my views in more detail in this post, which I entitled ‘Overplaying your hand is dangerous’ Essentially my point is this. The US is going through a massive convulsion, they’ve been duped into two humiliating wars abroad, the Wall St. bankers have robbed them of their life savings and landed them in a catastrophic recession.

As the worst is yet to come, the nation will become increasingly angry and will look for scapegoats. Jews have always been traditional scapegoats. And I believe they’re walking themselves into it in the US by actions such as this. A skilful demagogue could, despite limited access to the MSM, construct a plausible case that could unleash a wave of anti-Semitism throughout the country.

I've been to Russia recently and this very thing is happening. The ‘oligarchs’ who looted the wealth of that country were virtually all Jewish, many of them now hiding out in Israel with their ill-gotten wealth. If Americans feel that they’ve been similarly duped, and they’ve sacrificed their blood and wealth to further the interests of ‘The Jews’, the result could be very ugly indeed.

And the Freeman ‘victory’ might be a battle won, but one that lost the war.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

A powerful post. I think it's only a matter of time before the Israeli lobby overplays its hand and they reap the whirlwind.

Anonymous said...

No way. They have the MSM in the palms of their hands - there'll never be honest reporting here.

Samir

Anonymous said...

Jews have too much media in their hands for that to happen here in America Savant. Samir is right on that assertion.

Maybe on the net', but perhaps only 5-10% get much news from the net here in the USA.


Iraq has been repackaged as a noble mistake, and Afghanistan has been sold as cleaning out the Taliban and rebuidling the nation to make it strong enough for the Taliban not to make a resurgance, not as AIPAC's wars.

What will eventually water down AIPAC influence here in America, is something that AIPAC is empathetic to, the new populace as a result of changing demography. When blacks, Asians, and Hispanics number close to whites, and more and more whites are completely secular (and dont believe the Jews are "God's chosen people), AIPAC's influence will profoundly wane.

The Jesus-freaks AIPAC so hates, are its strongest supporters. The supporters of Israel in the US are Apocolyptic Christians who expect to be raptured up to heaven before a world war erupts in the middle east, in which God steps in and destroys all of Israels enemeis. These same Christians still adhere to God's prophecy to Abraham,. "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you". The holocaust really doens't have much to do with their devotion towards Israel. The holocaust has only really been effective in tarring people who question some of Israel's policies toward the West Bank and Gaza. Most Americans wish the problem would just go away, especially now that they have much more pressing concerns

Obama wants the media on his side, and the media is full of Jews........................so he isn't going to risk any capital over this guy.

Anonymous said...

For the Zionists, a Peace settlement is defeat.War(violence) is the only way that they can achieve their aims.

Joe O'Neill said...

Many people seem to forget that prior to the 6 day war there was not a Palestine, the ragheads claiming to be "palestinians"were in fact either Jordanians ( West Bank) or Egyptians( Gaza) of course neither of these countries want the Palestinians.In fact NO Arab country wants them that is why they are still in refugee camps.During these 42 years the Israelis have accepted 850 000 dispossessed jewish refugees from arab countries, as well as nearly two million European Jews ( Mainly Russian and other former Soviet countries) .The solution is simple.Let the Irish or the EU accept these Palestians as genuine refugees then we will all be happy.One of the amazing things that I see is this just below the surface anti semitism which is in actual fact simple JEALOUSY for the achievements of a superior race.Living in South Africa I see it every day not against Jews but against whites in general because they are able to achieve more than blacks given the same resources.When the dark ones talk amongst themselves it sounds just like the anti semetic talk in the western world .......Food for thought ?
As proof of the superiority of the races the jews who represent less than 2 in a 1000 of the world's population have won 165 ( mainly scientific) Nobel awards whilst the entire Moslem world ( Not just Arabs)which comprises 200 in every 1000 have managed to gain only 6 ( 2 scientific) Nobel awards.http://www.jewishmag.com/99mag/nobel/nobel.htm

Anonymous said...

re the comment on the armageddon freaks, what's not widely known is that those jews who dont become christians are damned as well!

moses

Anonymous said...

The opening salvo of an Obama strategy to draw attention to AIPAC's power in an attempt to lessen its nefarious influence?

There have been some very interesting theories propounded on other blogs concerning Obama's capitulation regarding Chas Freeman's nomination.

With Rahm Emanuel (dual US-Israeli citizen and ex-IDF) as one of his closet advisors, Obama will certainly have known what a firestorm the nomination would have created with AIPAC. On cue, AIPAC and the Israel-firsters launched a very public vitriolic campaign to bring down Freeman and when they succeeded very publicly bragged about it.

As is obvious from the enormous number of postings in this and other blogs, this ostentatious display of power by AIPAC has raised great concern with people not normally concerned about its activities and many are now questioning its undue influence.

Could this have been a brilliant first tactical move to begin to create outrage against AIPAC in an attempt to lessen its influence?

Time will tell.

togo said...

re the comment on the armageddon freaks, what's not widely known is that those jews who dont become christians are damned as well!

Why should you give a damn about someone's else's theology as long as they're useful as allies? That's the position of the Israel lobby/Israeli
govt.

The "Armageddon freaks" also think the Mormons are going to hell, but I don't think that stopped them from working together on the anti-gay marriage proposition in California.

SAVANT said...

Joe - I agree with you on the history and also on jealosy being the source of antipathy to Jews. However, fact is, native Palestinians are being forced out of the places they lived for generations, often by people who just arrived from other countries.

The other fact is, this course is not sustainable, unless of course sustained my massive force and coercion.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Israelis being arrogant and antagonistic towards the Arabs.When this point was put to a former Israeli Prime Minister he simply said " Let them ( The Arabs) wander around the world for two thousand years being denied a home wherever they go and when they return maybe we will have something to talk about.To all Anti Jewish non muslim people ask yourselves this simple question would you rather have the jews in Israel or the Moslems in your country

Anonymous said...

anon 22.15 asks "would you rather have the jews in Israel or the Moslems in your country?"

My answer - I'd like the Jews in MY country. They'd sort out the crap that we've landed ourselves in!

Anonymous said...

In my estimation, it's more than coincidence, that there are so many Jews in positions of influence in western nations. For instance, the so called 'Struggle' for freedom in South Africa, seemed to have a disproportionate amount of Jews at the forefront of the ANC and various other assorted cronies in the Communist Party. Just off the top of my head I can recall such people as Goldberg, Pogrun, Slovo, Kasrils, Goldreich, Bernstein, Hepple, Wolpe, Kantor, Suzman and Schwarz. These were all involved in one way or another, I would bet there were many more. I suppose someone will tell me, they were involved, to free the black man from his shackles.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, Savant: the Middle East is one place where you have to take sides. You're either with the obnoxious, pushy Jews or the homicidal, woman-beating ragheads!

Since Western Civilization is founded on Christ(Jewish) and the Bible(Jewish), and not Mohammedanism, I know which side I'm on.

Johan Potgieter

Anonymous said...

If you go to a Jewish area in any city it's beautified, clean, crime-free...Go to a Muslim area and it looks like fucking Kandahar. And how many Jews are on welfare?

Allah-akbar!

J. Potgieter

SAVANT said...

Johan P - if I had to choose sides I'd be with you on your choice. However, I dont think it's in the Isrealis' interests to be blackmailed continuously by the religious/occupation parties.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Dear! How is the Israeli taxpayer going to pay for that assault on Gaza, so soon after the invasion of Lebanon?
There will be no Israeli taxpayer exhaustion. The USA pays Israel's 'defence' costs.
Thanks to this ill-judged US policy, Israel is uniquely immune to the incentive of a peace dividend. And Palestinians know they are being bullied in circumstances which are not viable long term.

Anonymous said...

"anti Jewish non muslim people ask yourselves this simple question would you rather have the jews in Israel or the Moslems in your country"

Robert Mugabe is more welcome than either of them.

"My answer - I'd like the Jews in MY country. They'd sort out the crap that we've landed ourselves in!"

How do you know that they aren't the people who caused the crap in the first place?

Did either of you see the South Park episode where Cartman is left a Million dollars and buys himself a theme park? (you can't come) The reaction of Kyle is very revealing.

SAVANT said...

I think almost all of us would prefer to have jews rather than muslims, but it's hardly the point. The point of the post is that the Likud lobby could ned up causing all sorts of trouble for American Jews, and as well enable Israel to continue what have to be failed policies.

IsraeliEejit said...

A few comments from Israel:
1.Savant: "Now it could well be the case that even if they did withdraw back to pre-1966 borders, a lasting peace won't follow anyway.But we’ll never know as long as they continue to expand their occupation."
The 1967 lines were never meant to be borders, but were just demarkation lines from the War of Independence Armastice. In 1967 Israel was attacked by Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq simultaneously. While forcing back the advancing enemy troops, Israel pushed them back beyond its own boundaries, thus becoming the occupiers of the Golan Heights from Syria, Judea & Samaria from Jordan and Gaza from Egypt. Israel did not want to be occupiers and offered the lands back in return for peace. The parties who drew up UNSC Res 242 and 338 admitted that Israel's withdrawal to the actual 1967 lines would be suicidal. The resolutions called for Israel to withdraw from SOME of those territories in exchange for PEACE. The Arab League held a summit at Khartoum and reached the "Three No's": No negotiations, no peace and no recognition of Israel.
The Arabs demand Israel's withdrawal to the 1967 lines and the world has become used to this demand and accepts it without question. The 1967 lines were never a border and actual borders have yet to be established.
Israel withdrew from the whole of the Sinai in exchange for peace with Egypt. Unfortunately, Egypt did not want the Gaza Strip. Israel also made a peace agreement with Jordan, but unfortunately the Jordanians did not want any parts of Judea and Samaria.
We withdrew from the whole of Gaza, literally dragging out the Jewish residents kicking and screaming. We thought the Gazans would make use of their newly acquired land together with all the hothouses and equipment to better their lives, but instead we got thousand of rockets.
Different parts of Judea and Samaria have become Jew-free, with settlements dismantled and homeowners dragged off elsewhere. However, if Hamas & Co. take over all that land you can be sure we will receive thousands of rockets all over central Israel.

2. To Anonymous -
Iraq and Afghanistan are NOT AIPAC wars. Israel gains no benefit from these wars. After 9/11, Israel was the only country to advise the USA, that Iran was (and is) the demon, not Iraq. I'm sick and tired of hearing claims that Israel wanted these wars. When we had a problem with Iraq, we resolved it ourselves. They built a nuclear reactor and we blew it up.
3. Re Jewish control of media (yawn)
If that was the case, why are BBC, CNN, French TV, The Guardian, The Independent, etc. so vehemently anti-Israel???
4. Savant "However, fact is, native Palestinians are being forced out of the places they lived for generations, often by people who just arrived from other countries."
Not so Savant. Palestine consisted of both Jews and Arabs. Jerusalem was predominantly Jewish. The majority of Arabs flocked into the area from surrounding countries when work opportunities were made available. Such opportunities were created by Jews and the British Mandate.
My own home town was established in 1891, when early settlers arrived and purchased worthless swampland. They imported eucalyptus trees from Australia to dry up the swamps. 100s died of malaria in the process. Finally the swamps were dried and citrus orchards planted. Jobs were created and labour needed.
OF COURSE, nowdays, the Arabs LOVE to claim this land as theirs. Now that it is rich and fertile!
5. AIPAC lobby. This lobby does not control America. The only reason the US supports Israel in the way it does is because it is in US interest to do so. If the US did not benefit, believe me we would not get the support. It is a two-way street.

6. Freeman was the wrong man for the job.
Freeman: on Israel's "efforts to bomb Lebanon into peaceful coexistence with it and to smother Palestinian democracy in its cradle," and his conclusion that "left to its own devices, the Israeli establishment will make decisions that harm Israelis, threaten all associated with them, and enrage those who are not."

Last week, Freeman's criticisms of Israel abounded in the blogosphere as word of his impending appointment made the rounds. Supporters of Israel jumped on his statements that the Jewish state was "the driving factor in the region's radicalization and anti-Americanism" and that "demonstrably, Israel excels at war; sadly, it has shown no talent for peace," as well quotations from a school textbook put out by the Middle East Policy Council stating that the Koran "synthesizes and perfects earlier revelations" and that Jerusalem's Old City is "Arab."

In a speech to Middle East Policy Council, Freeman once used the phrase, "Assuming, as we must, in light of the results similar US policies toward North Korea have produced, that Iran will eventually acquire a nuclear deterrent," before asking how regional neighbors "plan to deal with Iran as a nuclear power."

Anonymous said...

IsraeliEejit, wouldn't it have saved an awful lot of trouble if you lot had just relocated to Madasgascar, when superpowers were dishing out other peoples land to you?

Anonymous said...

The BBC aren't really anti Israeli, so stop talking shit. If they were anti Israeli, they would give Israel the anti South Africa treatment. Then my friend, you would know what 'anti' means. You would be lucky to import toilet paper, so piss off back to your JIDF site.

Anonymous said...

IsraeliEejit, your talking total crap re all the arabs came in from outside. This is bullshit and you must know it. Some of them did, forsure, but about 90% os Israelis did.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous 1 re Madagascar - Madagascar my foot! The Jews returned to their rightful land from which they had been expelled. Havent you ever read a Bible?




To Anonymous 2 re BBC - The BBC is totally anti-Israel. Why do you think Orla Guerlain got kicked out of Israel years ago?

a)BBC admits: We are biased on religion and politics


Internal corporation memo on ‘impartiality’ summit leaked to British media exposes truth on BBC bias

10.23.06, 16:10 / Israel News
LONDON – The British Broadcasting Corporation has been struggling for several years against criticisms and claims of biased reporting concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and distorted coverage of the global fight against terror.

Following a diplomatic incident with Israel, the BBC appointed an editor known for his objective reporting, however, the true stance of the corporation’s editors remained the same.

An internal memo, recently discovered by the British media, revealed what the BBC has been trying to hide. Senior figures admitted in a recent 'impartiality' summit that the BBC was guilty of promoting Left-wing views and anti-Christian sentiment.

Most executives admitted that the corporation’s representation of homosexuals and ethnic minorities was unbalanced and disproportionate, and that it leaned too strongly towards political correctness, the overt promotion of multiculturalism, anti-Americanism and discrimination against the countryside.

Okay to trash Bible, not Quran

A truly shocking revelation to come out of the summit was expected to invoke a storm in Britain, which has already reached the boiling point with regards to the treatment of Muslims and the issue of the veil.

For the purpose of illustration, the executives were given a scenario in which Jewish Comedian Sasha Baron Cohen would participate in a program titled ‘Room 101’, a studio program where guests would be asked for their opinions on different issues, and allowed to symbolically throw things they hated in a garbage bin.

The executives were asked what they would do if Cohen decided to throw ‘Kosher food’, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bible, and the Quran in the garbage bin.

The executives said they would allow everything to be thrown in the garbage bin, save the Quran, for fear of offending the British Muslim community.

According to the ‘Washington Times’, the BBC also reportedly revealed that its executives favored interviewing terrorist leader Osama bin Laden if the opportunity arose.

Among other issues raised in the summit was the question of whether or not veiled women should be allowed to read the news. The BBC’s diversity editor said that since news anchors were allowed to wear crosses, any news anchor should be permitted to wear anything they wished, including the veil.

One senior BBC executive admitted to the ‘Daily Express’, "There was a widespread acknowledgement that we may have gone too far in the direction of political correctness. Unfortunately, much of it is so deeply embedded in the BBC's culture, that it is very hard to change it."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3318582,00.html


b)Mar, 2008
Report accuses BBC of supporting Iran
British-Israeli attorney claims broadcasting network's Arabic-language radio station aired commentary biased against Israel during Second Lebanon War
A lawyer who has been managing a campaign against the British Broadcasting Corporation's news coverage of Israel for several years now has claimed that the BBC allowed its Arabic-language station to air a biased commentary in favor of Iran and Hizbullah during the Second Lebanon War.

After his 2004 report "What Went Wrong at the BBC: A Public Monopoly Abusing its Charter through Bias against Israel," Attorney Trevor Asserson, A British-Israeli citizen recently issued a new report arguing that the Arabic-language BBC radio's coverage of the 2006 war was biased against Israel and even supported Iran.
The research team observed the station's main commentary program "Hadith al-sa'a" (Talk of the Hour) during the Second Lebanon War, and concluded that commentators supporting Iran and its views were given preference.
The station's commentators, the report said, did not even try to hide their clear sympathy for the Lebanese side and Hizbullah fighters.
The BBC is a British public broadcasting authority, and its Arabic-language radio station has been on the air for many years now. It enjoys high ratings and is perceived as a reliable station.
The BBC recently launched an Arabic-language television station that is currently on a trial period.
According to the report, all of the BBC's departments must maintain the standards and ethical rules that the station has been practicing for years. The radio station cannot be subjected to different rules, the report added.

'Support for enemies intolerable'
The report went on to say that the BBC's policy towards Israel was a known reality, but that the fact that British soldiers were fighting on the front line while a station financed by their parents' money broadcast words of support for their enemies was intolerable.


Asserson claimed in the past that BBC reports on Israel were distorted and unfair, biased in favor of the Palestinians (for example, in refusing to use the words "terror" or "terrorist" which constitute a violation of the network's guidelines) and spreading antipathy. He also demanded that the British government refuse to renew the channel's public broadcasting license. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3523551,00.html

c)Aug, 2006
The Foreign Ministry is under pressure from Israeli citizens to resume its boycott of the BBC and to withdraw credentials from its reporters due to "one-sided" reports on the war in Lebanon, Israeli diplomatic officials said Wednesday.
For seven months during a wave of Palestinian violence in 2003, Israeli officials boycotted BBC news programs, declining interviews and excluding BBC reporters from briefings. The boycott was ended after the BBC appointed a panel to oversee its Middle East coverage and to ensure it would be unbiased.
The diplomatic officials said BBC had not been reporting the war fairly. Senior diplomatic officials in Jerusalem went as far as saying that "the reports we see give the impression that the BBC is working on behalf of Hizbullah instead of doing fair journalism."

Foreign Ministry Deputy Director-General for Media and Public Affairs Gideon Meir, who declined to comment for this article, spoke on Channel 1 about a column that appeared in The Times of London on July 24 in which Stephen Pollard wrote that a BBC program appeared to have been written by Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

"The BBC's coverage has been overwhelmingly one-sided, with presenters and reporters editorializing against what they universally refer to as 'Israeli attacks on Lebanon,'" Pollard wrote.
Col. (res.) Miri Eisen, who is set to take over as Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's spokeswoman on August 20, called the BBC "the only international English-speaking news outlet that is downright hostile to Israel on every level." Eisen told an audience from the Jewish Federation of Central New Jersey on Wednesday that the BBC's coverage was fair during the first week of the war, but then the network moved its anchors from Haifa to Beirut, and since then it has been similar to Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya.
A Foreign Ministry official said the ministry had compiled a dossier of reports from Lebanon by BBC senior correspondent Jeremy Bowen that officials consider biased. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525841951&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

d) August, 2007
BBC still lying about Lebanon war casualties
Of all the distortions, half-truths and outright lies the BBC has published concerning the Middle East, one of the most egregious is its accounting of the casualties in last year's war between Israel and Hezbollah.

This story about an Israeli Arab who has died from wounds he received in a Hezbollah rocket attack during the war (I won't even get into what that says about Hezbollah's disregard for the lives of the people it claims to be fighting for) contains the following line:

Most of the 159 Israelis killed were soldiers. More than 1,000 Lebanese, most of them civilians, also died in the 34-day war.

The above line, or some variant of it, is inserted like a macro into every story about the Lebanon war that appears on the BBC's website. However, the most basic research shows that the claim that 'most' of the Lebanese casualties were civilians isn't true.

Most estimates, including those from the Lebanese government, the UN and Human Rights Watch put the total number of Lebanese dead – which includes both Hezbollah fighters and civilians – at between 1,000 and 1,200. While the Lebanese government figures didn't distinguish between civilians and fighters, its officials have estimated the number of Hezbollah dead at around 500, a figure with which the UN concurs. Israel claims to have killed at least 600 Hezbollah, while other estimates range from 700 t0 1,000. Links for all of the above references can be found here and here.

It is, of course, impossible to ascertain how many of the Lebanese casualties were civilian and how many were Hezbollah, given that Hezbollah hid and fought among civilians, its fighters often wore civilians clothes, and many of its wounded fighters were evacuated to Syria.
However, what is clear is that around half of the Lebanese casualties were Hezbollah fighters; in fact, if the lower figures for total Lebanese casualties and the upper figures for Hezbollah fighters are nearer the mark, then the majority of Lebanese casualties were Hezbollah. What clearly isn't true is the BBC's mantra that most of the Lebanese casualties were civilians.

The point of this post isn't to rehash the wider debate on civilian casualties in Lebanon or any other war, which has been well aired. The point is to draw attention to the fact that, more than a year after the war, the BBC continues to publish claims about civilian casualties which it must know to be false, and continues to play down the losses inflicted on Hezbollah.

The problems of the Middle East are intractable enough without the BBC – whose reports colour the perceptions of people around the world – constantly and deliberately distorting the debate, and demonising Israel at every turn. http://monkeytenniscentre.blogspot.com/2007/08/bbc-still-lying-about-lebanon-war.html

e)Caught: BBC's Shocking First Response to Terror Attack

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Caught_BBCs_Shocking_First_Response_to_Terror_Attack.asp

f) BBC Digs Another Hole
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/BBC_Digs_Another_Hole.asp

g) One Year Analysis: The BBC in 2007

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/One_Year_Analysis_The_BBC_in_2007.asp


Let me know if you need any more proof. Plenty more where those examples came from. And as for toilet paper, I doubt you use any you shithead.



To: Anonymous 3 re Arabs coming from outside.
I said THE MAJORITY, not ALL. Of course there were Arabs here and there still are now. 20% of Israelis are Arabs.

Anonymous said...

Israeli eedjit - are you serious about the Bible giving jews the right to return to Palestine? So any religious text, including the Koran, can be used for such purposes?

Boy, we'd sure have fun if that was the case!

Anonymous said...

Israeli eedjit, please don't insult me! When I say the BBC isn't biased towards israel, I mean it isn't biased enough. I will use a simple hypothetical scenario here, to show what I mean.

"A British army helicopter fires missiles at an alledged IRA commander's car in Andersonstown, Belfast, killing him, his wife and child. A bystander is killed and another seriously injured. The MOD says it was acting in response to home made rockets, being fired into a Loyalist area, several miles away, that claimed the life of a pensioner, who suffered a heart attack." NOW BACK TO TONIGHT'S EPISODE OF ER.

If this incident occurred it would rightfully, cause an international shit-storm. I would bet the language in response from Washington, would border on the threatening.

Now, not all the Goyim believe everything they see on TV. I personally, believe very little. However one thing I know, is that Zionists control the media and that is how Israel gets away with rocketing busy streets from helicopters.

The BBC may have a false veneer of an anti Israeli stance, but it isn't the rabidly hostile approach it would save for something it considers odious, say something like Serbs or white S Africans.

So please take your victim's complex somewhere else. We don't care!

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous

No, the Bible proves that the Jews were there in the first place. Unfortunately, they all got kicked out by the Romans. DNA tests have show that all Jewish women(including Europeans) descend from FOUR women from the Middle East.

When Palestine was carved up after the mandate period, Lebanon was formed as a Christian state, Israel as a Jewish state and Syria & Jordan as Moslem states. All the Israel-haters only have a problem with Israel - Lebanon, Syria and Jordan are perfectly legitimate in their eyes.

Furthermore, 850,000 Jews were forced to leave Arab countries where their lives in dhimmitude became unbearable even though they'd lived their for generations. Countries included Syria Egypt Lebanon Yemen Iraq Iran Tunisia Morocco Algeria.

Anonymous said...

Jews might have been there in the first place - thousands of years ago - but what right does that give them now?

The native americans controlled the land only a few hundred years ago. WOuld you hand over your property to them now if they came knocking?

IsraeliEejit said...

So it was ok for the American settlers to come along , kill the injuns and steal the land ?? That's downright hypocritical! The same happened in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and plenty of other places. Wherever the white man staked his claim, that was it!
Of course, apart from Israel. As Jews have to abide by different laws, even though the land wasnt grabbed, it was passed over from British rule under the United Nations.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous re BBC.
How many 1000s of rockets would you settle for before demanding that your government takes action to protect its citizens?? You're a hypocritical bastard, cos if your kids were within firing range, you'd probably be among the first to scream.

"The racist Israeli fascist in me"
By Bradley Burston

LOS ANGELES - I was determined to duck it. I was resolved to fly to the States, speak about the situation in Israel, and reply with nothing more than a half-smile and a "next question, please," to the well-read and otherwise openhearted people who ask questions of the tenor of "Between you and me, what is wrong with these people, your friends, the Israelis?"
Subtextual Translation of the question: What is with these blights on the backside of humanity? A vast war machine pretending to be a tiny country, a mobilized citizenry sterilized of morality, drained of compassion, bereft of conscience, bestial in war, imperial in ambition, Goliathized in its marriage of high tech and high explosive; incorrigibly bigoted bullying simpletons, little more than racists who vote for racists, fascists who fall for fascists, an embarrassment to the West, an embarrassment to the Jews, an embarrassment, at root, to the progressive individual who asks the question.

I was all set to say nothing. On the plane coming over, however, I read an essay about Israel and Israelis that changed my mind. I have the extraordinary novelist Anne Roiphe to thank for writing the piece, which made my blood boil, and, in the process, forced me to say what I honestly thought.

Ms. Roiphe, it must be said, is a compelling, wonderfully compassionate writer, who clearly cares about Israelis and knows just about everything about them, except for the first, most basic thing.

"I couldn't feel worse," Ms. Roiphe begins her essay about the recent Israeli election, and especially about the Israeli Jews who voted for Avigdor Lieberman, whom she accurately terms dangerously demagogic and deeply unkind. "I feel as if my spouse had cheated on me with Mussolini."

Perhaps as a consequence, it develops that Ms. Roiphe has begun to see Israel, and Israelis, with the kind of tunnel vision that allows no light at its end. She suggests that the import of the election was a vote against peace.

"I would call it pathological that Israel is listening to leaders who don't understand that the entire West Bank cannot belong to Israel without making it a pariah nation, without violating the spirit of the Torah, and the scared memory of the Jewish people."

With a smirk and a slap, she lets us know that she gets us. "I understand peace has been so long in coming and that Palestinians have done stupid things: electing Hamas, tossing rockets into Israel, mocking those of us who thought that leaving Gaza might be a fine first step. I understand the despair and the frustration and the need to jump around waving one's sword in the air, slicing up whatever clouds appear in the sky."

May Ms. Roiphe pardon me, but she does not understand. I'm not sure that, at a distance of thousands of miles, anyone could. Examine the results of the election closely, and you'll find that a clear majority voted for parties who have gone on record as favoring an eventual Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza, and less than six percent voted for parties who categorically reject that solution.

What, then, explains the incomprehensible behavior of these people, my friends? What common denominator, other than evil intention, can explain the continued occupation of the West Bank, the risk of demographic disaster, the ill-understood rage of a people cast as the sole perpetrator of and, if at times the victim, then certainly the deserving victim of, wrongdoing?

You won't like the answer. But in all the blindingly complex bazaar of the Middle East equation, it really comes down to one word: rockets.

It was Saddam Hussein's rockets in 1991 that got us into this peace process, and it is Palestinian rockets right now, day after day after day, that sent that peace to its grave and which cover it with a little more silt and rubble every few hours.

It was fundamentally rockets and not racism that put Avigdor Lieberman where he is today. And it is rockets, more than any other single factor, that explains what happened to the Israeli left, to Meretz, and, in particular, to the Labor Party.

When Saddam Hussein fired 39 ballistic missiles into Tel Aviv, Haifa and Dimona, he radically changed the way Israelis viewed the importance of holding on to the territories. Overnight the threat was coming from 1500 kilometers away, so what good was it to hang onto and permanently settle the hills of Samaria in the West Bank, or the sand dunes of northern Gaza?
It was this, as much as any other factor, that paved the way for the opening of what we've come to know as the peace process, beginning at the Madrid conference in 1991.

In 2005, less than a day after Israeli forces removed every last Jew from Gaza, Palestinians set up rocket launchers on the ruins of settlements that had been just been evacuated. They took aim not only at Sderot, but at some of the very kibbutzim who had most strongly championed the cause of an independent Palestine alongside Israel.

This act, and the thousands of rockets that followed, utterly changed Israelis again. It put a sudden end to the idea of land for peace, because no one, even some of the most ardent advocates of Palestinian statehood in the West Bank, was about to agree to leave Ben-Gurion airport, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem within range of the rockets. Suddenly there was a consensus again. And the peace process, the peace movement, and with it Labor and Meretz, were kicked to the curb.

Ten years ago, Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah in Lebanon, electrified radical Islam and particularly the Palestinians, when he said that Israel was as fearsome and as fragile as a spider's web.

Push Israel with suicide terrorists, he indicated, and the whole web will tear and collapse. It didn't work. Suicide terror, in fact, acted to strengthen and unify Israel. In the eyes of the post-9/11 world, suicide terror changed Israelis from villains to victims, and Palestinians from an image of the valiant David to a creepy, loathsome version of Goliath.

The best way to destroy Israel

But now, Hamas is beginning to see something else. At this point, the best way to destroy Israel, is to leave it exactly as it is.

Titrate, adjust the flow of rockets fired at Israeli civilians to a level which is thoroughly acceptable to the rest of the world, but which is also entirely unbearable to Israelis.

Then, sit back and watch demographics and despair work their magic. No wonder Hamas officials who are seen as moderates urge a 50-year truce. By that time, Israeli Arabs will be able to simply vote the Jewish state off the map.

A clear majority of Israeli Jews know this as well. But I have yet to meet one Israeli, Meretz voters included, who is willing to hand over the West Bank while Ashkelon is even now in the gunners' sights, and rockets fly unabated.

I have long believed that in terms of their destructive effects on peace prospects, the settlements are the Qassams of the Jews. What I failed to recognize at first, was that the effect of Qassams is to enshrine West Bank settlements, and, more than any other single factor, protect them from eviction.

In the main, the world has no idea - nor does it particularly care - that when a rocket up to nine feet long flies up to 25 miles traveling at half a mile per second and lands with up to 44 pounds of explosives packed into its warhead - the human consequence could easily be carnage.

As far as the world knows, that rocket will fall without a sound. A house may be destroyed, childrens' nerves shot to shreds, perhaps for life. Entire communities, whole cities, suffer from post-traumatic stress. But unless 10 Israelis are killed, or 20, that rocket never existed. 10,000 rockets, fired at civilian areas, unprotected by anything - I am truly ashamed to acknowledge - other than miracles.

It is these miracles, these barely averted catastrophes, literally thousands of them, which have become the central fact of Israeli life.
That, and an anger which no one outside Israel can know or fully comprehend, an aching, soul-deep frustration, an always humming fear, a sickness and fever over the nearness of true disaster, as well as a sense of abandonment by those abroad who cannot be expected to know what these people, my friends, are going through or why.

It is not the world's fault if it believes that Israelis do not have a right to their anger. The world is really not at all to blame if it prefers to view Israelis as ferocious without provocation, hateful without just cause.

The world only knows what we in the media choose to reveal. For a decade, we have dismissed the rockets as little more than toylike, backroom-cobbled nuisances, convenient pretexts for military onslaughts by Israeli politicians keen to evade graft raps.

The fact, however, remains. Day in and day out, Palestinian rockets target and, at times, demolish, homes, day care centers, health clinics, synagogues, kibbutz dining halls, town squares, factories, elementary schools, high schools, apartment houses. For years now, by some miracle, an enormous number of Israeli lives have been spared. These are people trying to live their everyday lives under fire, and who have no other defense, no protection whatsoever, except the intercession of some form or another of poorly understood providence.

On the weekend that Ms. Roiphe's article appeared, I wonder how many of her fellow New Yorkers heard at all that a Katyusha rocket had crashed into a empty schoolroom in Ashkelon, close to where worshippers were gathered in a synagogue, and, soon thereafter, another landed 600 feet from that city's Barzilai Hospital and its thousands of patients and staff. No one killed = Nothing happened.

The world long ago grew tired of its Israelis and their whining. The world could not care a whit less about the miracles that save them. The world has even had time to grow tired of its Palestinians as well.

But the world should know this: No matter how progressive the government in Israel, no matter how grave the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza, without an end to the rockets, there will be no peace process and certainly no peace. While the rockets are flying, nothing else moves.

Nothing that Israel has tried, neither diplomacy nor brutality, has been able to stop the rockets. Only Hamas can do that. The world and Washington could have made the rockets a priority years ago, and perhaps brought this to resolution. But the world has other things to think about, and Washington as well.

Back in New York, Anne Roiphe seems to have given up on her brethren in Israel. "Under the present conditions, it is vitally important that American Jews, liberal, decent, democratic, continue to play a major role. We may have to be the ones to carry the Jewish nation forward, in all its intelligent moral purposes."

I wish a had as much faith as she in her fellow American Jews, my direct people of origin.

As it is, I have next to nothing in common with my direct neighbors, Russian Jewish immigrants to Israel, other than the fact that, in a sense, I am one of them. I guess destiny will out. Had my family stayed in Russia before the war and not emigrated to Los Angeles, had they survived the Holocaust and Stalin, had I been one of the million former Soviet Jews who moved to Israel 20 years ago, I might well have found myself a proud voter for Avigdor Lieberman, angry with my fellow Israelis who disdain me as non-Israeli, angrier with the Arabs that toss rockets, furious with Israeli Arabs who support the tossing of rockets, and finally, contemptuous of - even as I uselessly blare my loyalty to - a place which is contemptuous of me.

Ours are dreadful times. Ours are ugly choices. You want to see peace, Ms. Roiphe? Pray for a miracle. But more so, pray for the event that no one expects, the shocking occurrence that no one could have foreseen - a journey by Netanyahu or Lieberman that resembles those of Begin and Sadat, Rabin and Sharon - the event that jars everyone from their accustomed outlook and despair, and forces them to reconsider the possibility that the humans of the Holy Land might still someday have a common future.

Anonymous said...

Even Israeli sources addmit that Hamas didnt fire rockets until Israel reneged on its part of the bargain a continued its blockade of Gaza. This is what started the whole thing offf again.

IsraeliEejit said...

Anonymous, which "Israeli sources" are you talking about??? Gazans have been rocketing Israel for 8 years!! I think you're confused.

Israel's War to Halt Palestinian Rocket Attacks
Ambassador Dore Gold


An Israeli Response to Hamas' Escalation

Israel's just-completed ground incursion in the Gaza Strip that began on March 1, 2008, should not have triggered much international debate. After all, for more than seven years Palestinian terrorist organizations have been intentionally firing rockets indiscriminately against Israeli civilian targets, especially at the Israeli town of Sderot which has absorbed roughly 45 percent of the nearly 3,000 attacks that have been launched.1 As Israeli Minister of Public Security Avi Dichter noted on March 2, with the inclusion of the city of Ashkelon in the Palestinian target list, the number of Israeli civilians under rocket threat from Gaza has increased from 25,000 to 250,000.

In complete contrast, Israeli military operations in Gaza in response to Palestinian rocket attacks have been directed at military targets, including rocket factories, rocket squads, and terrorist commanders. When Palestinian civilian casualties have occurred, they have been an unintended by-product of Israel's self-defense efforts. The fact that the Palestinian terrorist organizations often position their launch sites in urban areas and stockpile their weaponry in densely populated territory like the Jabaliya refugee camp in many cases makes them a party to the loss of Palestinian civilians ­- who serve, in effect, as human shields.2 While it is often forgotten, Israel completely withdrew from the Gaza Strip in August 2005; it was clear from Israel's disengagement that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) had absolutely no interest to operate in Gaza over the last number of years, unless Israel was attacked from Gaza territory. If Gaza rocket attacks on Israel did not occur, there would be no reason for the IDF to operate there.

Nonetheless, Israel very quickly became the subject of harsh international criticism. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned Israel's "disproportionate and excessive use of force."3 The EU presidency followed this language, referring to "the recent disproportionate use of force by the Israel Defense Forces against the Palestinian population in Gaza."4 Western armies are engaged in asymmetric warfare against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Al-Qaeda in Iraq, yet no such statements are made with regard to these legitimate battles in the war on terrorism. To their credit, the U.S. and Britain rejected efforts to have the UN Security Council adopt a draft resolution further condemning Israel, but the discussions in New York demonstrated how UN member states had little idea of the magnitude of the rocket threat that Israel was facing and could also face in the future.

In order to best understand the main factors affecting the Palestinian rocket threat to Israel from Gaza, it is useful to examine the data in the accompanying maps and chart (see maps and chart below), based on data from the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, which uses the IDF General Staff Operations Division as its source. What emerges from this data are the following conclusions.

Rocket Fire Began and Grew When Fatah Controlled Gaza

The Kassam rocket threat started in 2001 and grew when the Palestinian Authority was under Fatah control. Hamas introduced the Kassam rocket for the first time in 2001, and there was a steady increase in Kassam rocket fire against Israel from 2002 through 2005. Even after the death of Yasser Arafat in November 2004, Kassam rocket fire from Gaza continued under the regime of Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen). True, Abbas called on Palestinians to stop firing rockets into Israel in 2006, but on the ground, he and the Fatah leadership were either unwilling or unable to halt the Hamas attacks as they increased - with only one exception. In August 2005, Kassam rocket attacks were dramatically reduced so that they would not get in the way of Israel's Gaza pullout.

Additionally, Fatah-affiliated groups in Gaza developed their own rocket systems: both the al-Aqsa rocket and the al-Yasser rocket. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades of Fatah in Gaza also fires rockets into Israel, and a Fatah squad in Tulkarm in the West Bank made two attempts to launch rockets at Israel.

Palestinian Rocket Fire Jumps After Israel's Gaza Disengagement

Kassam rocket fire did not start with Israel's Gaza disengagement. Nonetheless, after disengagement the number of confirmed rocket strikes against Israel increased by more than 500 percent. During the year 2005, Israel absorbed 179 rocket strikes. Gaza disengagement was implemented in August 2005. The number of rocket strikes in the year 2006 shot up to 946 - a five-fold increase. What initially allowed the Palestinian organizations to develop their rocket capability with impunity was Israel's original withdrawal from most of the Gaza Strip in 1994 in accordance with the Gaza-Jericho Agreement under the Oslo Accord.

The 2005 Gaza disengagement provided Hamas with a sense of empowerment and self-confidence that led to a clear-cut escalation in the employment of the rocket capabilities that they had previously acquired. Politically, this led to the victory of Hamas in the Palestinian Authority parliamentary elections in January 2006. But militarily, Gaza disengagement also led to a dramatic increase in rocket attacks, as previously described.



Loss of Control Over Egypt-Gaza Border Led to Iranian Rockets on Ashkelon

The disengagement from Gaza led to the loss of Israeli control over the Philadelphi route between the Gaza Strip and Egyptian Sinai, allowing for a significant increase in the range and quantity of rockets in the Palestinian arsenal. What is dramatically new in the rocket attacks in 2008 are the range and quantity of rockets being fired. Ashkelon, a city of 120,000, was repeatedly struck by Katyusha (Grad) rockets in late February 2008. In 2007 and 2008, the Israeli city of Netivot was also a Palestinian target.

Prior to 2006, the number of Palestinian rocket attacks rarely reached 50 per month. By early 2008, Palestinian organizations displayed a capability of launching 50 rockets per day. Two events further contributed to the ease with which Hamas and other organizations could import materials and know-how for expanding their rocket forces: first, the Hamas military takeover in Gaza during June 2007, and second, the breaching of the Egyptian-Gaza border fence in January 2008.

As a result, the quantities of explosives and foreign-produced, longer-range rockets that could enter Gazan territory increased dramatically. Yuval Diskin, the head of the Israel Security Agency, told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in early 2006 that the amount of explosives smuggled into the Gaza Strip from Egypt had grown drastically - by more than 300 percent.6 True, the Palestinian organizations had used tunnels in past years to smuggle weaponry from Egyptian Sinai into Gaza. But clearly, once Hamas was fully in control in Gaza and the Egyptian border was regularly breached, the scale of this smuggling mushroomed.

According to Diskin, by November 2006, 33 tons of military grade explosives had been smuggled into the Gaza Strip since the 2005 disengagement. That number increased to 112 tons of explosives by October 2007.7 Increasingly longer-range rockets came into Gaza freely as well.8 Israeli security forces recently discovered in the western Negev the remains of a new 175 mm. rocket of Iranian origin that has a range of 26 kilometers.9

Should present trends continue, Israel will have to contend with yet another generation of rockets that could be deployed beyond the Katyushas that are hitting Ashkelon. Hamas spokesmen have already expressed their ambition of extending the range of their rockets to Ashdod, Israel's second major seaport for handling international cargo. Israeli security sources expect that Iran will try to smuggle its Fajr rockets to Gaza in the future. A 45-kilometer-range Fajr 3, for example, could be smuggled in sections and assembled in Gaza.10



The Failure of EU Monitors

In the aftermath of the Gaza disengagement, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice brokered the Rafah Crossing Agreement on November 15, 2005, to regulate the Gaza-Egyptian Border. The agreement provided for third-party monitors who were supplied by the European Union. The European monitors did not succeed in halting the flow of weapons or cash to the terrorist organizations. Moreover, as the security situation in the Gaza Strip deteriorated in 2006 and 2007, the EU monitors repeatedly withdrew from the border crossing area. In addition, Egypt has been completely unhelpful in the Rafah border area; Cairo even allowed Hamas operatives to leave Gaza in transit to Tehran, where they were trained by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) before returning to Gaza.



Two Key Areas of Concern

Israel currently faces many difficult choices in the face of continued Kassam and Katyusha rocket attacks on its cities, and Israel's security establishment will ultimately have to address two specific areas:

The Philadelphi Route - As long as the Philadelphi route along the Gaza-Egypt border is open for Hamas smuggling, the risk to Israel will grow, as Iran exports rockets of increasing range to the Gaza Strip. The port of Ashdod is the next likely target, but should Fajr rockets reach Gaza, there is no reason why Hamas cannot pose a threat to Tel Aviv.


The Northern Gaza Launch Sites - The short-range Kassam rockets used by the Palestinians are locally produced and, therefore, cannot be halted by efforts to close the Philadelphi route. However, control of the launch areas in northern Gaza could significantly reduce the ability of Hamas to harass Sderot and the communities of the western Negev with rocket and mortar fire.
The repeated lesson of the last seven years is that only Israel can ultimately be responsible for its own security. The use of European Union monitors in the Rafah crossing area did not work out; nor will other international monitors provide security in the future in such a dangerous area. Egypt understands that a Muslim Brotherhood regime in Gaza endangers its own security, but there are limits to what Egypt can realistically do to confront Hamas, without alienating Egyptian domestic opinion. Furthermore, even when the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority was in control of Gaza, it never fully halted the Hamas rocket attacks that emanated from territories under its jurisdiction.

Israel's war against Hamas is hardly over. As Hamas attacks continue, Israel will have to take further measures to suppress Hamas rocket fire. Presently, the Hamas leadership understands that repeated Katyusha attacks against Ashkelon will result in an Israeli ground incursion that can cost them nearly one hundred of their personnel. But without addressing the Philadelphi route or the northern Gaza launch sites, it is doubtful that these kinds of deterrence calculations alone will bring the Hamas rockets to a halt and alleviate the misery of the Israeli residents of Sderot.

In parallel to its military response, however, Israel will need to wage a strong diplomatic effort to safeguard its right of self-defense, which many in the international community seek to erode. Even in this latest round of conflict, as Israel sought to defend itself from Palestinian rocket attacks, it has already faced harsh criticism, which will only foster new international pressures when struggle with Hamas is resumed.

Dr. Dore Gold, Israel's ambassador to the UN in 1997-99, is President of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs and author of Hatred's Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism (Washington: Regnery, 2003) and The Fight for Jerusalem: Radical Islam, the West, and the Future of the Holy City (Regnery, 2007).

IsraeliEejit said...

Figures on Israel:

Iran-backed Hamas Rocket, Mortar Attacks and Nuclear Developments

9,400+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2003. [1]
3,200+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza in 2008 alone. [2]
6,500+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. [3]
543+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza into Israeli territory during the ceasefire from June 19 to Dec. 19, 2008. [4]
28 deaths caused by rockets and mortars fired from Gaza into Israel since 2001. The dead include Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers. Since the ceasefire ended, Iran-backed Palestinian groups in Gaza fired rockets and mortars that killed an Israeli-Arab construction worker and a mother of four who was seeking shelter in a bus station as a rocket warning siren sounded. [5]
1,000+ people in Israel injured from rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2001, including Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers. Since the ceasefire, 44 Israelis have been injured and 200 have been treated for shock. [6]
20,000 Hamas troops Israel is targeting as part of “Operation Cast Lead.” [7]
750,000 number of Israeli civilians Hamas is targeting and can reach. [8]
15 seconds Israelis have to get to a bomb shelter once a warning siren has sounded. [9]
8 years that Israel has been hit by rockets and mortars from Gaza [10]
3 mosques in Gaza used as weapons, ammunitions and explosives depots that were struck by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the operation in Gaza. [11]
4 UN Security Council resolutions passed since 2006 to try to stop Iran from enriching uranium. [12]
5,000+ number of centrifuges operating in Iran to enrich uranium, the material used to produce a nuclear weapon. [13]


Israel’s Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

179 truckloads of humanitarian aid that have been delivered through Israeli crossings into Gaza since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead, including basic food commodities, medication, medical supplies, donations of governments and blood units.
106 additional truckloads of humanitarian expected to arrive in Gaza on Jan. 31 [14]
6,500 tons of aid transported into Gaza at the request of international organizations, the Palestinian Authority and various governments since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead. The World Food Program informed Israel that it will cease shipment of food to Gaza because warehouses are at full capacity, with enough food to last two weeks. [15]


What Israel Gave Up in Hopes of Peace - Gaza Withdrawal Aug. 2005

100% proportion of the Gaza Strip evacuated and handed over to the
Palestinians. [16]
300 square miles of the West Bank evacuated. [17]
21 Israeli settlements uprooted in the Gaza Strip. [18]
4 Israeli settlements uprooted in the West Bank. [19]
48 graves uprooted in Gaza’s former Gush Katif Cemetery, including six graves of area residents murdered by terrorists. [20]
9,000 approximate number of Israelis, including 1,700 families, who lived in Gaza and the northern West Bank. All of them were moved out as part of the withdrawal. [21]
38 synagogues dismantled in the Gaza Strip. [22]
5,000 school-age children who had to find new schools. [23]
42 daycare centers that were closed in the Gaza Strip. [24]
36 kindergartens that were closed in the Gaza Strip. [25]
7 elementary schools that were closed in the Gaza Strip. [26]
3 high schools that were closed in the Gaza Strip. [27]
320 mobile homes, ordered by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, to serve as temporary housing for settlers. [28]
45,000 Israeli soldiers and policemen who participated in the Gaza withdrawal. [29]
$1.7 billion the approximate cost to the Israeli government for the withdrawal initiative. [30]
166 Israeli farmers who were moved out of Gaza. [31]
800 cows, which comprised the second largest dairy farm in Israel, moved out of Gaza’s Gush Katif community. [32]
$120 million value of flowers and produce exported annually from Gush Katif and lost following the evacuation. [33]
1 zoo, the “Katifari,” that housed hundreds of animals and was moved. [34]
10,000 people who were employed in agriculture and related industries in Gush Katif, including 5,000 Palestinians. [35]
60% proportion of Israel's cherry tomato exports that came from the Gaza Strip. Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza extinguished this economic resource. [36]
3.5 million square meters (almost 1,000 acres) of greenhouses abandoned in Gaza. [37]
70 percentage of Israel's organic produce grown in Gaza – another economic resource lost in the evacuation. [38]
60 percentage of herbs exported from Israel that came from Gush Katif. [39]
15 percentage of Israel agricultural exports that originated in Gaza – exports lost following Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza. [40]
$360,000 expected average compensation amount Israel expected to pay to relocate each family. [41]
$870 million approximate cost for Israel to facilitate the resettlement of former West Bank and Gaza residents elsewhere in the country. [42]
$500 million amount of money Israel's security establishment spent to relocate Israel Defense Forces bases outside the Gaza Strip and build new border crossing facilities. [43]


After Israel’s evacuation from Gaza…

430,000 West Bank Palestinians able to move freely within and between Palestinian-controlled areas. [44]
1 Israeli remaining in Gaza. Staff Sgt. Gilad Shalit was abducted from Israel on June 25, 2006 by Hamas in a bloody cross-border raid in which the terrorists also killed two IDF soldiers and wounded four others. [45]
1.2 million Arabs who remained full and legal citizens of Israel. All Israeli citizens – Christians, Muslims, and Jews – have freedom of speech, religion, press, and the right to vote. [46]
1.3 million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip many of them in Palestinian Authority-controlled refugee camps, who live under their own leaders. [47]
820,000 Jewish refugees forced to flee without their belongings from Arab countries between 1947 and 1949, and who have never been compensated by Arab governments for their losses. [48]
650,000 Arab refugees who left Israel from 1947-1949 and still need Palestinian leaders who will end terrorism and the culture of hate. [49]

Israel’s withdrawal from four northern West Bank settlements created an area more than twice the size of Gaza’s 140 square miles under Palestinian control and devoid of any Israeli presence. [50]

http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=hsJPK0PIJpH&b=689705&ct=6478505

SAVANT said...

It seems to me that israelieedjit is all over the rest of you guys. Facts can be damn inconvenient!

Anonymous said...

IsraeliEejit: To Anonymous re BBC.
How many 1000s of rockets would you settle for before demanding that your government takes action to protect its citizens??

I would probably move back to where I'd been, before I emigrated. I could not see the point in living in a country, where there will never be peace and will probably, in future, break out into a serious regional conflict.

If you think that is a good place for your kids to grow up, then that's up to you.

Then again, Israeli's think they have some God given right to the land, which in itself, is a recipe for disaster.

Please stop copy-pasting endless, convoluted web articles, speak your mind, not someone else's.

RonL said...

Because it is in Americas interest to have a paid agent of Saudi Arabia and China control what intelligence the president sees.

Grievance rots even a savant.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous

Copying and pasting is an ideal way to show facts and prove points that many people prefer not to acknowledge. Its ridiculous for me to write in my own words what is freely available if one cares to look.
There is enough land and resources here for everyone. If the Palestinians wanted peace. Yasser Arafat (the Egyptian) died one of the richest men in the world - his billions went to his wife Suha who now lives the life of Riley in Paris.
Its about time the Palestinians took control of their fate and started using such billions on education, housing, welfare and building a decent economy.
If they only stretched their hand out in peace, we could all prosper and turn this land into a Paradise. They need to understand that Israel is here to stay and its about time they revised their Charter which is to "drive us into the sea".
Its time to move forward.