Wednesday, 18 March 2009

Issues Jewish/Israeli

Over the last week or so several Israeli readers have taken me strongly to task on my postings.

The map under the headline ‘A telling progression’ showed Israeli-controlled territory almost tripling in size since the founding of the state. I made no comment on the maps, yet one reader accuses me of referring to the Israeli expansion as ‘a white cancer’.

Well my friend, I simply don't know where you got that, as I said nothing of the sort. I suggest an urgent visit to an optician. There have also been buckets of comments justifying or attacking this expansion. Various historical evidence has been adduced on both sides. My view? No matter what way you slice or dice it, the Israelis are taking over land occupied by Palestinians, and there’s very little justification for that.

One of the justifications used is the need for a buffer zone from rockets. Give me a break guys! Thirty or forty miles as the crow flies will make no difference in the risk of Israel being hit by rockets. These are getting more sophisticated and long-range the whole time. Which of course is a whole separate worry, and one reason in my view why Israel should try to make peace as soon as possible.

Then there’s the Freeman issue, where I made the point, not for the first time, that the Israeli Lobby in the US may have gained a tactical victory by getting him to withdraw, but risked losing the strategic war by overplaying its hand. One reader refers to Freeman as ‘a paid agent of the Saudi Government’. This may well be, but it’s very dangerous grounds for an attack.

This is because it opens up the whole area of US foreign policy being run by and for Israeli, well, ‘agents’. AIPAC, the Neocons and their associated groups have, indisputably, walked and goaded the US into the Iraq imbroglio and have been pushing hard for an attack on Iran for the last few years. The can of worms that this opens up is the vexed one of to what do American Jews owe their primary allegiance – the USA or Israel?

My point in the post ‘Overplaying your hand is dangerous’ was that America is in major decline, has in effect failed in Iraq, will inevitably fail in Afghanistan, and has an economy going down the tubes. Scapegoats will be sought out. Given their prominent involvement in all of these developments, Jews could find themselves facing anew and vicious environment. It’s happened before, and it’s happening now in Russia.

I make these points as a friend of, and frequent visitor to, Israel. I do see Israel as a beacon in the surrounding Islamic darkness. As most of my posts show, I'm a fervent admirer of the Jews and would rejoice were we to have thousands of them take up residence in Ireland.

I'd also like to emphasise a crucial point: There is no ‘Jewish conspiracy’ for the simple reason that Jews are divided on every issue (a reflection of their free-thinking mindset). Hence, you’ll get Jews on both sides of every argument. I just hope they make the right choices and that their influence in the US doesn’t turn out to be a poisoned chalice.

41 comments:

Cheeky Boy said...

Yep, can't wait till the war against Iran starts.Sure to make the world a safer place.

Cheeky Boy said...

http://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel

The Truth about the origins of the Jews and their supposed uniqueness????????

Anonymous said...

I think their going to get their commuppence. We're all pissed off here and they seem to be in the middle of everything.

IsraeliEejit said...

Savant, the term "A white growing cancer blessed by America" is written just above the map. This obviously wasnt written by you, but that fact that you print such a propagandous map shows you believe it true.
I already pointed out to you, that Israel is full of Arab villages and has cities in which both Arabs and Jews dwell. Jews would not be welcomed in Arab villages and all are Jewless. Despite this, all the white area is marked as "Jewish Land" as though only Jews live there. This is totally misleading.

I've never heard of anyone mentioning a buffer zone to protect against rockets. That would be ridiculous. Hamas smuggle in rockets from Iran that reach major cities such as Ashdod, Ashkelon and Beer Sheva. There are currently 750,000 people within rocket range. Those within Kassam range have 15 seconds to find cover and those within Katyusha/Grad range have 2-3 minutes. The ONLY reason that so "few" people have been killed by rockets is because since the Gulf War in 1991 all buildings included homes must have by law a solid concrete "security room" including blast-proof window and steel shutter plus solid steel door.
For the past 8 years, those within Kassam range have put their lives on hold. No children play outside and people only go out when necessary - to and from school, work, shop, etc.
Savant: "These [rockets] are getting more sophisticated and long-range the whole time. Which of course is a whole separate worry, and one reason in my view why Israel should try to make peace as soon as possible."
We are trying to make peace Savant, but there's a big difference between that and buckling under to Palestinian terror.
When "peace" was reached in Northern Ireland, the Catholics got shafted. The "British settlers" remained, the IRA got stripped of their arms and both the Catholics and Protestants got joint governing powers. Conversely, what everyone wants and what Israel has agreed to is that the settlers get marched out, the terrorists keep their arms and they get exclusive governing powers.
In 2000 Prime Minister Barak offered Arafat
Israeli redeployment from 95% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip
The creation of a Palestinian state in the areas of Israeli withdrawal
The removal of isolated settlements and transfer of the land to Palestinian control
Other Israeli land exchanged for West Bank settlements remaining under Israeli control
Palestinian control over East Jerusalem, including most of the Old City
"Religious Sovereignty" over the Temple Mount, replacing Israeli sovereignty in effect since 1967
Compensation to refugees

Arafat refused the offer and refused to negotiate. He returned home, gave an order for an Intifada (uprising) and the suicide bombings and rockets continued with a renewed ferocity.
Israel has to reach peace but make sure it regains security. As long as the Palestinians are hell-bent on their goal to destroy Israel, we have the right to be wary.

Savant, again I disagree on the power of AIPAC's influence. Where does Irish American's loyalty lie? They are Americans first and will always have a soft-spot for the Emerald Isle. This is the same for many American Jews and Israel, although I'm sure there are some who couldnt give a shit about Israel or about being Jewish.
I would even go further and say Saudia Arabia's influence on US foreign policy is far, far greater than any Jewish influence. Bush Sr and Jr were business partners with the Saudis and those Sheiks can write huge cheques. It wouldnt surprise me if they were guaranteeing huge loans to the US in this economic crisis.
Again, please let me know how Israel has benefited from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'd love to hear. At present, Israel is seeking help from the international community regarding the Iran nuclear situation. This I admit. It didnt seek any help before it blew up the Iraqi reactor.
A lot of people dont know that Ahmadjihad avidly believes in the second coming of the Mahdi (messiah) and is part of a huge following in Iran. They believe the Mahdi will come after Armageddon and are so looking forward to his arrival that they yearn to bring on Armageddon to facilitate his appearance.
Now most of us would like to hang onto our lives as long as possible and tremble at the thought of nuclear missiles, but these Mahdi-believers seek Armageddon and The End of The World to reach Redemption. That's the difference between us sane ones and those nutters. We cherish life, they cherish death.
I understand your point about the Jews being made scapegoats (again), but of course cant condone it. Numerous banks have contributed to the credit crunch in the States, but people will always spot the Jewish Named Banks, Goldmann & Sachs, Lehmann Bros. etc even if they are no longer run by Jews. Merrill Lynch sounds pretty Irish to me, but I doubt a collective finger will be pointed at "those bloody Irish, for getting us into this mess". I'm sure the Gentile bankers probably outnumber the Jewish ones, but The Jews will always be blamed.
You yourself "blame" Israel for Iraq and Afghanistan even though we Israelis couldnt give a shit about them. Again, after 9/11 Israel was the only country to advise the USA not to go after Iraq as Iran was the main culprit.
Unfortunately (for me) the facts are irrelevant, for as you say, when the economy is bad, unemployment rising, people are getting more desperate the Jews will be the obvious target - as in Hitler's time.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Cheeky Boy

Re: "The Truth about the origins of the Jews and their supposed uniquenesss???" link you posted.


What a load of codswallop!!

See two rebuttals:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/999386.html


http://www.jewishpress.com/content.cfm?contentid=21499

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous

"I think their going to get their commuppence. We're all pissed off here and they seem to be in the middle of everything." says he.

I'm shaking in my boots.
Where's "here"?? The States?

You've gotta blame someone havent you? But not your shitty unregulated financial system, that just fed the fat cats and created a huge bubble. Well that bubble burst and the U.S. has crippled itself and the WHOLE BLOODY WORLD WITH IT. You have brought us all down!!!!
So who are you gonna blame?
The blacks? Na, they're too mean.
The Irish or Italians? Too hotheaded.
The Muslims? They might start blowing us up.
Poles, Russians? Not "different" enough.
Hispanics? Too many knives.

Oh, what about the Jews? The skinny, bespectacled bookworms. They wont fight back and its always their fault anyway!

SAVANT said...

My apologies israelieedjit, the caption does indeed mention the 'white cancer'. I was looking for it in my commentary.

I have just booked an appointment with my optician!

SAVANT said...

PS - I have edited the image and taken out the offending text.

Joe O'Neill said...

Israelieejit says it all and I agree 100%, but I would add, why is it OK for the Arab Nations to expel 850 000 Jews but not allright for Israel to expand into Arab land to house and feed them.What did all those Arab countries do with the land ,houses and property that they expropriated from the Jews ?

Cheeky Boy said...

ha ha! It would explain the multi-racial origin of the jews...also Arthur Koestler's book on the Khazars....Anyway who cares? Remember Sergeants Mervyn Paice and Clifford Martin?

Viking said...

@IsraeliEejit

"When "peace" was reached in Northern Ireland, the Catholics got shafted. The "British settlers" remained, the IRA got stripped of their arms and both the Catholics and Protestants got joint governing powers."

your otherwise sensible comments are spoiled by this demonstration of your complete lack of understanding of the situation here. The parallels between Northern Ireland and Israel are minimal, despite what many people think.
In spite of this, I agree with a lot of what you say. Many of us Europeans are pro-Israel, and I for one think Jewish-conspiracy theories are all rubbish.
Your people were left out in the cold politically and culturally for centuries and you responded by adapting and applying yourselves in the financial world and many others.
Jews are to be applauded for this. I fear, however, there will be some backlash in many countries.

Anonymous said...

Israel is not much greater in population than Ireland's four million people, but the former has received 10's of billions of US foreign aid monies courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer since its inception in 1948, all because of exceptionally strong Jewish lobby groups positioned in Washington, D.C.

So, the question should be raised as to why this small middle-eastern country merits so much more attention than Ireland or any other country in the world, every day of the week, year after year after year.

Here's a fact-filled commentary by a writer that appears to have done some serious study of Israel and its people.

Anonymous said...

go and read the old testament , and see what god commanded Joshua to do to the people of Jericho ! exterminate them all god said ! are these the words of a loving and divine creator , me thinks not !!! these crooks have been fooling the world for 3000 yrs ! go and read the worlds first peace treaty ,. the treaty of kadesh between the Egyptian empire and the Hittite empire , there's no mention of an israel on that document , the strip of land between these 2 empires ( Palestine ) actually belongs to Egypt ! seeing as how the Hittites are no longer around ! take no crap from these zionists , they are suffering from a cancer of the brain called guilt , there parents helped the nazis during the holocaust to save their own skins !

Anonymous said...

A topic that is not discussed enough is the screaming, in-your-face, hostile aggression that people must withstand when they dare to trample on Jewish sensibilities. I am not talking about the sophisticated rationalization one sees in the op-ed pages of the mainstream media, or even the smear techniques of organizations like the ADL or the SPLC. We are talking about interpersonal aggression. There is something absolutely primal about it.

Now comes a refreshingly frank blog post by Karin Friedemann, an ethnically Jewish anti-Zionist. She notes the “violent intolerance” that defenders of Israel show towards people with different opinions:

American Jews are actually being trained since childhood to interact with non-Jews in a deceitful and arrogant manner, in coordination with each other, to emotionally destroy Gentiles and Israel critics in addition to wrecking their careers and interfering with their social relationships. This is actually deliberate, wicked, planned behavior motivated by a narcissistic self-righteous fury….

The problem is that Gentiles are taught through emotional pressure and violence via the media and the school system to be very sensitive to Jewish suffering so when a Zionist becomes outraged at them for challenging their world view, the Gentile really has to fight against his own inner self in a huge battle against his “inner Jew” making him feel inadequate and intimidated. But the Jew doesn’t care how much he or she hurts others. Jews only care about what’s good for the Jews. …

I once reduced a 50 year old man to hysterical sobbing tears because I told him gently and lovingly that Jews were not that unique. I just told him the Jews, like everyone else, have had good times and bad times. Times when they were slaughtered and other times when they slaughtered others. Just like everyone else. Guess what he did next. He emotionally abused me in an insulting way and then cut off all further communication. Jewish behavior is so predictable that it’s truly scary. …

If you mention cutting off the money or if you mention the possible compromise of living with Palestinians as equals in one state they become very angry and start using bullying tactics, unless they have some reason to fear you, in which case they shun you and complain about you to the authorities, try to get you arrested or try and destroy your career or social status through character assassination. …

Zionists all believe in the myth of “1000 years of Jewish suffering” and feel that the world owes them compensation for their ancestors’ “unique” suffering. It’s a criminally insane viewpoint. They cope with the contradictions between their belief that they are the good guys and what Jews are actually doing to their neighbors, both in the Middle East and in the US, by developing mental health issues. Most Zionists are functional schizophrenics.

My take:

– These tactics are not restricted to critics of Zionism. As one who has experienced a barrage of hostile email from my faculty colleagues, I can certainly attest to this. A correspondent sent me the following recently:

I have encountered many liberal, politically correct Jews who react vociferously (almost violently) to the most innocuous comments about any topic related to Israel or Jews. One Jew upon my mentioning that my wife and I had been to Russia spent several minutes virtually frothing at the mouth about Russians. Another upon hearing me say I was sympathetic to the problems of the Palestinians demanded to know who I was and how dare I say such a thing. Often zero tolerance for any difference in opinion.

– The media constantly present images of Jewish suffering-most recently the endless glut of Holocaust movies. But the media ignore instances, such as the early decades of the USSR and now in Greater Israel, where Jews have inflicted horrible suffering. Right now I am reading E. Michael Jones’ The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Effect on History. It is striking to read his account of Jewish violence against non-Jews in the ancient world, particularly the persecution of Christians whenever Jews had the power to do so. Long before Christians had any influence on Roman policy, Christians’ complaints about Jews were not stereotypes based on historical memory but resulted from direct experience with Jews: “Origen understood that Jewish calumny helped to cause Christian persecution, and that Jewish hatred was a fact of life for the Christians, continuing unabated after the repeated defeats of Messianic politics” (i.e., the defeats of Jewish rebels at the hands of the Romans in 70 and 135 ad) (p. 69). This is the basis of my concern on what will happen to whites when Jews become part of a hostile elite in white-minority America.

– Non-Jews absorb these media images and as a result feel inadequate, emotionally intimidated. Eventually they identify with the aggressor, much like a browbeaten hostage or, as Friedemann suggests, an abused spouse. Or they maintain their friendships but studiously avoid talking about anything related to Israel. Non-Jews do the bidding of their “inner Jew” because they have internalized images of Jewish suffering. They therefore aid and abet Jewish brutality and aggression.

– Non-Jews who persist in criticizing the organized Jewish community are threatened with loss of livelihood and social ostracism. As I noted in a previous article the organized Jewish community does not believe in free speech. It is important to keep in mind that when Jews were dominant in the first decades of the Soviet Union, the government controlled the media, anti-Semitism was outlawed, and there was mass murder of Christians and the destruction of Christian churches and religious institutions.

As Friedemann notes, the situation is nothing less than a sign of serious mental health issues for the mainstream Jewish community: “Most Zionists are functional schizophrenics.”

I think this is what happens when people who deal with Jewish issues finally realize that there is no hope for dialogue and begin to think of what to do next. Honest people finally realize that when it comes to critical issues like Israel and multicultural America, the divisions among Jews are an illusion. (Friedemann herself has renounced her Jewish identity.) As Friedemann’s husband, Joachim Martillo, notes, “Jews, who want to be decent human beings, have no choice but to renounce being Jewish and serve the anti-Zionist struggle (right now).”

Exhibit A for this right now is the murderous Israeli invasion of Gaza. We know (see, for example, John Mearsheimer’s article in The American Conservative) that this invasion occurred after a prolonged period when Israel restricted supplies into Gaza and then attacked tunnels between Gaza and Egypt. We know that the invasion was designed to “to inflict massive pain on the Palestinians so that they come to accept the fact that they are a defeated people and that Israel will be largely responsible for controlling their future.”

The tone of Mearsheimer’s article suggests a dramatic shift in attitude where the usual inhibitions on public discourse are finally beginning to fall, even for a respected academic:

There is … little chance that people around the world who follow the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will soon forget the appalling punishment that Israel is meting out in Gaza. … [D]iscourse about this longstanding conflict has undergone a sea change in the West in recent years, and many of us who were once wholly sympathetic to Israel now see that the Israelis are the victimizers and the Palestinians are the victims.

The gloves are coming off. This is what happens when smart and honest people who work hard to get the scholarship right are nevertheless smeared as anti-Semites guilty of the vilest misdeeds. Not surprisingly, Abe Foxman - a premier defender of the racial Zionist status quo in Israel - devoted an entire book to smearing Mearsheimer and Walt. Quite simply, there is no point to talking to such people or taking seriously what they say about us.

We know that the government of Israel is firmly in the hands of the racial Zionists - followers of Vladimir Jabotinsky and his view of the racial distinctiveness and superiority of the Jewish people. Indeed, the only question in the Israeli election is which brand of racial Zionism will form the next government. One knows that racial Zionism has completely won the day in Israel when Kadima - the party of Ariel Sharon, Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni and the Gaza invasion - is now described by Benjamin Netanyahu as the party of the left. (The LA Times dutifully calls it “centrist” but, as Israeli peace activist Uri Avnery writes, Livni “cries to high heaven against any dialogue with Hamas. She objects to a mutually agreed cease-fire. She tries to compete with Netanyahu and [Avignor] Liberman with unbridled nationalist messages.”) Indeed, Netanyahu’s only worry is that the openly racist Liberman - a disciple of the notorious Meir Kehane - will take away too many votes from Likud.

The situation is analogous to a US election where Pat Buchanan is the candidate of the far left. (I can dream.)

Avnery analogizes the election to a joke where a sergeant tells his men: “I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that you are going to change your dirty socks. The bad news is that you are going to exchange them among yourselves.”

Once again we see at work the general principle that within the Jewish community, the most extreme elements carry the day and pull the rest of the Jewish community with them. As I noted in “Zionism and the Internal Dynamics of Judaism,” “over time, the more militant, expansionist Zionists (the Jabotinskyists, the Likud Party, fundamentalists, and West Bank settlers) have won the day and have continued to push for territorial expansion within Israel. This has led to conflicts with Palestinians and a widespread belief among Jews that Israel itself is threatened. The result has been a heightened group consciousness among Jews and ultimately support for Zionist extremism among the entire organized American Jewish community.”

The fanatics keep pushing the envelop, forcing other Jews to either go along with their agenda or cease being part of the Jewish community. Ominously, if elected, Netanyahu promises that a top priority will be “harnessing the U.S. administration to stop the threat” of Iran’s nuclear program.

Incidentally, E. Michael Jones (The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Effect on History, p. 42ff) has expanded this argument to the ancient world. He shows how the Jewish community was pulled in the direction of fanaticism by the Zealots who expelled the followers of Jesus from the synagogue and adopted a disastrous path of revolution against Rome, leading ultimately to the defeats of 70 and 135 a.d.

A good example of the schizophrenia described by Friedemann comes from the fact that around 80% of American Jews voted for Obama but around the same percentage blames Hamas for the escalation of violence and believes that the Israeli response was “appropriate.” These results of the poll on the Gaza invasion were proudly announced by Abraham Foxman of the ADL, an organization that is one of the principal forces in promoting a post-European America. The Jewish left is a pillar of multi-cultural America but strongly supports racial Zionism in Israel.

This same schizophrenia was on display at a recent presentation at the Hammer Museum in Los Angeles by Chris Hedges and Mark Potok - he of the Southern Poverty Law Center. The program dealt with the usual bogey-men of the organized Jewish community: Christian fundamentalists, skinheads, David Duke, and (I am gratified to report) The Occidental Quarterly. In a comment on the alliance between Christian conservatives and Zionists, an audience member mentioned (to stifled applause) that “There are Jewish fascists.” But the moderator, Ian Masters, saved the day when he stated that “the vast majority of American Jews are secular and liberal” - a comment that brought much applause, presumably because it reassured the many Jews in the audience that they weren’t like THOSE Jews. For his part, Potok, that stalwart warrior against white America, expressed his support for what he sees as a beleaguered Israel on the verge of apocalypse at the hands of the Arabs. Schizophrenia indeed.

The politicians who are running Israel are, if anything, more racialist and nationalist than anything even remotely on the horizon in American or European politics. As Avnery notes:

In every other country, Liberman’s program would be called fascist, without quotation marks. Nowhere in the Western world is there a large party that would dare to advance such a demand [to annul the citizenship of Arabs]. The neo-fascists in Switzerland and Holland want to expel foreigners, not to annul the citizenship of the native-born. …

When Joerg Haider was taken into the Austrian cabinet, Israel recalled its ambassador from Vienna in protest. But compared to Liberman, Haider was a raving liberal, and so is Jean-Marie le Pen. Now Netanyahu has announced that Liberman will be “an important minister” in his government, Livni has hinted that he will be in her government, too, and Barak has not excluded that possibility.

The optimistic version says that Liberman will prove to be a passing curiosity. … There is also a pessimistic version: Fascism has become a serious player in the Israeli public domain. The three main parties have now legitimized it. This phenomenon must be stopped before it is too late.

So I have a suggestion for the Foxmans, the Potoks, the neoconservatives, and the secular Jewish liberals of the world: If you want to fight racism and ethnic nationalism, start in your own backyard. And my suggestion for the rest of us is to get rid of what Friedemann calls the “inner Jew.” I know it’s hard to do. But once you tune out the screaming hostility (and assuming you don’t fear losing your job), it’s easy. Just don’t expect a pleasant or rational conversation.

Anonymous said...

Damn, and there was me, thinking Madoff was a Buddhist!

kulak said...

"I'd also like to emphasise a crucial point: There is no ‘Jewish conspiracy’ for the simple reason that Jews are divided on every issue (a reflection of their free-thinking mindset)."

Right conclusion, wrong reason.

There's no Jewish conspiracy any more than there is a negro conspiracy. But the negro still ruins everything everywhere he is imported.

That is, everywhere he is imported and fraternized with as an equal.

Do not fraternize with them as equals.

Yes, of course you will find Jewish allies. But so what? As a group in America, they still vote like Puerto Ricans. Courting them politically is as retarded as courting Puerto Ricans politically.

The good news is we don't have to court them. When we have won (and we will) they will court us.

IsraeliEejit said...

Savant, your apology humbly accepted and ammendment appreciated!


Joe O'Neill - Re the 850,000 Jews forced to flee Arab lands for their lives.
I know from talking to many such Jews that families had to literally disappear into the middle of the night, so the Arabs wouldnt detect their departure. They left with only the clothes on their backs and minimum baggage.
Homes, land, businesses were abandoned.
The World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries estimates that Jewish property abandoned in Arab countries would be valued today at more than $300 billion and Jewish-owned real-estate left behind in Arab lands at 100,000 square kilometers (four times the size of the State of Israel).

Anonymous said...

Northern Ireland is a [sadly] surviving settler-state.
Though all these places are similar,( eg Algeria, East Timor, Tibet)the model being followed in the West Bank is that of East Prussia.

Anonymous said...

Fuck you and your apology Savant. These guys (goys?) have you eating out of their hands.

Joe o'Neill said...

Anonymous 19 March 2009 19:35
Ireland has received a hell of a lot more aid from EU taxpayers than Israel has received from US Taxpayers.

Joe O'Neill said...

Anonymous 19 March 2009 23:29.

By their Shiboleths shall we know them.You did not publish your name ( fear )however the use of the word 'faculty' indicates that you are in some seat of learning.As such you have may probably never had to fight for your country you have probably left that to others, however at some time in the future ( very near) you will have to decide whose side you are on and the choice will be stark, you will not be able to wriggle out by saying you want another choice, it is simply ISLAM or ISRAEL, if you choose the wrong one then you have really gone and fucked it up for all your descendants

Anonymous said...

Not for the first time Joe Oneill is talking thru his asshole. Ireland has recived about €14 billion over 30 years, Israel rewcives about $4 billion ANNUALLY from the US taxpayer

Anonymous said...

Have the Israeli apologists read about the rabbis urging the soldeirs on the murder Palestinians?

Come on guys, speak up! You've justified and waffled around everything else - is this too much even for you????

Anonymous said...

anonymous 19 March 2009 23:29 makes a number of great points. I too am 'on faculty' in the US - and whats wrong with that, as Isrealieedjit seems to imply?

I support his position re hostile almost violent rreaction to any criticism of Jews. The irony is that this is the mirror image of the Islamists in our universities.

These (the universities) now are becoming vicarious theatres to continue the Israeli/Palestinian conflict on American soil.

And we americans are shouted down if we disagree with either. And by the way, gaining positions on faculty now is often determined by whether the Islamists or the Zionists are in control. Pity us Americans!

The Prof.

Viking said...

anonymous 21 March 2009 12:32

"Northern Ireland is a [sadly] surviving settler-state."

And I suppose the Irish just fell out of the sky?

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous @ 19 March 2009 19:35

re - "Here's a fact-filled commentary by a writer that appears to have done some serious study of Israel and its people."


Oh my God!!!
Either you know absolutely nothing about Israel, its history, Jews and what is happening here or you are trying to "pull my leg".
I considered sitting and typing a 3-hour point by point rebuttal with references, but what's the point? If you think this page of horse's manure is "a fact-filled commentary by a writer that appears to have done some serious study of Israel and its people", then I truly feel sorry for your lack of knowledge.
Why dont you come for a visit some time and see for yourself? Visit Nazareth and other holy places where Christians thrive. The Islamists in Gaza are murdering the Christians, attacking churches and Christian schools. Sorry, but I cant go over the the lies and false information in that blog - it is disgusting. Its sickening to see people using the web in such a spiteful and hate-filled manner. In the "real world" that blogger would be sued for everything she has.

IsraeliEejit said...

To Viking

Re: Northern Ireland
I agree that I'm not fully aware of all the intricacies and details of the peace-deal. However, we Israelis are used to having foreigners compare our situation with N. Ireland and that Tony Blair will solve the problem.

Viking, thankyou for your support of Israel. I truly appreciate it. The operation in Gaza was very hard and we mostly hear only how much we are hated. The situation is very complex.
If you have time read the link from anonymous 19 March 2009 19:35
at "here's" see what kind of material is being passed off as the truth. Unfortunately, the poster "anonymous" apparently believes it all.
regards!

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous at 19 March 2009 23:29 re Jewish hostile aggression and Karin Friedemann's blog post.

Maybe I'm missing something, but its the Islamists who have the hostile aggression and high sensitivity. Were not THEY the ones who rioted all over the world because of a caricature of Mohammad? THEY put out Fatwahs (death orders) for Danes, Zalman Rushdie, Geert Wilder and anyone else slightly critical of Islam.

As for Friedemann's post: what a load of crap!
It"s Friedemann herself who's mentally ill. Inner Jew, schizophrenics, racist Zionists - what is she talking about?

Also, " A good example of the schizophrenia described by Friedemann comes from the fact that around 80% of American Jews voted for Obama but around the same percentage blames Hamas for the escalation of violence and believes that the Israeli response was “appropriate.” "
So? Perhaps 80% of American Jews voted for Obama believing he was the best candidate for America's domestic needs. They also blamed Hamas and thought Israel's response was appropriate. What is schizophrenic or contradictory here?? They didnt vote for Obama because a)he's black, or b) his middle-name is Hussain. But because they thought he was the best man for the job.

"We know (see, for example, John Mearsheimer’s article in The American Conservative) that this invasion occurred after a prolonged period when Israel restricted supplies into Gaza and then attacked tunnels between Gaza and Egypt."

Who do you mean when you say "We"? I know that this invasion occurred after Israeli communities had been bombarded with thousands of rockets for eight years. A six-month "ceasefire" was agreed upon, although sporadic rocket fire still occurred. At the end of this "ceasefire", Hamas raised rocket launches to up to 80 a day. Israel warned them again and again that there would be dire consequences if rockets did not stop. Hamas ignored warnings.

"Abe Foxman - a premier defender of the racial Zionist status quo in Israel - devoted an entire book to smearing Mearsheimer and Walt."
Foxman was quite right to smear Mearsheimer and Walt who wrote a whole book to smear Jews with false claims of conspiracies, controlling media, controlling White House, etc., etc., yawn.

"This is the basis of my concern on what will happen to whites when Jews become part of a hostile elite in white-minority America." I can safely say - dont worry your little head, you can sleep safely at night. BTW, werent Jesus, Joseph, Mary and all our other friends Jews themselves? I dont think there were many Christians around in 70ad.

"– Non-Jews absorb these media images and as a result feel inadequate, emotionally intimidated." Why dont you just speak for yourself? You sound as though you have no backbone.

The more I read your post, the more I wonder why I'm bothering to comment. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

"The Immigrant Absorption Ministry announced on Sunday it was setting up an "army of bloggers," to be made up of Israelis who speak a second language, to represent Israel in "anti-Zionist blogs" in English, French, Spanish and German." Read MORE.

It seems they're already at work in this thread.

Repeat after me..."Israel can do no wrong!"

Again....."Israel can do no wrong!"

O.K.... you're accepted.

kulak said...

To anon @ 22 March 2009 06:01

Maybe I'm missing something, but its the Islamists who have the hostile aggression and high sensitivity.

It wasn't a muslim who recently dropped trou in front of that fine Southern gentleman and defender of liberty, Ron Paul.

It was, of course, a Cohen.

Muslims in America don't behave like Muslims in Araby. For one thing, they don't have much political clout. Should they ever acquire it, judging by their behavior in Araby, I would expect them to behave just as badly as Jews in America.

Perhaps 80% of American Jews voted for Obama believing he was the best candidate for America's domestic needs.

That's exactly right. And what's best for America's domestic needs in their opinion is what is best for the Jews.

The purpose of Jewish political behavior in the United States is to destroy white America, and try to make the whole country look like New York City.

And that's all there is to it.

On the other side of the coin, I welcome the rise of Avigdor Lieberman. Seems like a right sensible fellow to me...

His program obviously isn't quite applicable here, since loyalty oaths aren't worth squat from you lot. We will not repeat Napoleon's imprudence and embarassment of justice.

Instead, we will do business.

Anonymous said...

The more I read about the subject on this site, the more I think that maybe there is something to the idea that Jews have deliberately stoked up the whole multicultural/PC thingy to weaken Western Christian society. Might be something to it.

jeremy

Viking said...

@ jeremy

and any other would-be conspiracy theorists.

"The Jews" are not out to destroy Western Christian civilisation. Why would they do that? They need us, we are their only allies and Islam wants to wipe them off the face of the earth.
The worst thing you can say, maybe, is that the reason Western culture is so weak-willed and passive, is that we feel ashamed about the holocaust. Well, that is our problem, and we need to grow a pair and get over it. Blaming the people who have helped us build our society make us no better than the Africans who blame us for their shit societies.

Anonymous said...

kulak - why should jews want to destroy us? (Amercia). We're their best (only?) friend they got.

IsraeliEejit said...

Kulak,

Correct me if I'm wrong but most Jews over there are "white Americans". So why would they be wanting to destroy themselves?

In your opinion, do they want to destroy white America so the Muslems can take over??

IsraeliEejit said...

To Anonymous @ 22 March 2009 16:46

Re "army of bloggers"

Does this mean that any time an Israeli or Israel supporter contributes to a blog, it automatically means they're part of some "big conspiracy"? Oh, how often that word is being used concerning Jews!

Anonymous said...

Israelueedjit - as the man said 'just because I think their out to get me doesn't mean I'm paranoid'.

Fact is, there IS an organised campaign out there on the blogosphere.

Anonymous said...

Fact is, Jewish settlers are forcing Palestinians out the whole time. This is my objection. People who have been there generations should not be forced out by newcomers from Russia or wherever.

kulak said...

To Viking:

"The Jews" are not out to destroy Western Christian civilisation.

Some Jewish individuals certainly are. But I agree with you in the behaviorist sense that mass populations do not have purpose.

Why would they do that?

They can't help themselves, given the environment presented by the rest of us.

The worst thing you can say, maybe, is that the reason Western culture is so weak-willed and passive, is that we feel ashamed about the holocaust.

There's no business like Shoah business.

Well, that is our problem, and we need to grow a pair and get over it.

Absolutely.

kulak said...

To anon @ 23 March 2009 23:30

why should jews want to destroy us? (Amercia). We're their best (only?) friend they got.

Do you think the blacks of Detroit, as a group, wanted or like the current state of Detroit?

No, they don't. Yet it is neverthelss the end result of their behaviors and the decisions their elected officials have made, left to their own devices.

Anonymous said...

It's too sweeping a statement to say 'there is no Jewish conspiracy'. Sure, not all Jews are involved. But if sufficient numbers of Jews are involved - as they are - in subverting America's foreign and aid policies to the advantage of a foreign country (Israel) then that qualifies as a 'Jewish conspiracy' in my book.

Habibi

kulak said...

To: IsraeliEejit

Correct me if I'm wrong but most Jews over there are "white Americans".

A Jewish friend of mine dated and was in love with a very bright goy girl. She loved him too, and I said they should get married. He told me that if he ever did marry, he would marry a Jewish girl.

At the time this puzzled me. "Why?" I asked. "You don't believe in a god any more than I do."

To this he gave no answer.

Today I understand his reasons for not marrying her, and do not begrudge them.

But I do begrudge his silence.

Back then, yes, I assumed Ashkenazim are white just like me and welcomed them as such.

But not too long ago there was a seminar held in California, by one of many Jewish groups (there's a bazillion of them, it's hard to keep track) on the subject "The Myth of Jewish Whiteness."

Who am I to argue?


In your opinion, do they want to destroy white America so the Muslems can take over??

No. But there is a certain symmetry between what happens in Israel and what happens here. I do believe that the multicultural anti-white psychos here in America would be quite happy to extinguish the explicit Jewishness of Israel.