Wednesday, 4 February 2009

The Gathering Storm



The Gathering Storm may not be as apposite as when used originally by Churchill in the mid-thirties, but it’s still appropriate for what we’re now facing. Workers are on strike and staging sit-ins all over Europe, there are riots in Greece, the Baltic states and even in sedate Iceland.

And remember we’re just at the beginning of this crisis, especially in Ireland, as our useless government flounders around and the banksters who got us into this mess line their pockets at our expense. The people are going to get angry, very angry. And, as the Incredible Hulk used to say, ‘you wouldn’t like to see me when I'm angry’.

But as I always say, every cloud has a silver lining. Here are some of the upsides I see arising from the storm of societal anger that's about to explode:

* The bloated inefficient public sector will have to be sorted out

* Politicians will have to take at least two paws out of the trough

* Our billion Euro ‘foreign aid’ budget will be decimated

* The Victim Industry will be starved of funds

* Ireland will be a less attractive immigration destination

* People will demand to know why they continue to pick up the tab for cultural enrichers who chose Ireland to live in

A lot of pain, yes. But maybe also a lot of gain.

23 comments:

clonycavan said...

Much of the 'Foreign Aid' budget never makes it's way out of Ireland. To give just one example; this year,2009, the foreign aid budget will be funding another 'Africa Day' held entirely in Ireland. See irishaid.gov.ie Other tranches of the 'foreign aid' go to pay the mortgages of quango staff living in comfort in Ireland.
Our Foreign Aid is a dishonest misnomer.

Anonymous said...

Savant,
in the UK the Public Sector is the employer of choice for Ethnic Minorities, 80% of whom work in it in one way or another.

If it is to be reformed the lefties will have to figure out a way of downsizing the white workers.


Jockney

SAVANT said...

Didn't realise that clonycavan. Wud explain why they havent cut it by more. Lets hope that those quango staff get shown the door as part of the cleansing hellfire!

Anonymous said...

i was watching the news this evening , 36,000 people lost their jobs in January , fuck !!!! the jobless total now stands at 320,000 that's higher than it was in the black 80's , a chap on tv was saying there is a real danger of social disorder ! don't tell the Africans ! it will be like south central la after Rodney kings cops trial ! it's gonna be great to watch all those rip off artists getting their shops looted ! anyone for the last flat screen tv ?

Exorcisethezeitgeist said...

Apparently one of these race relations organisations had to shut up shop in England recently, due to lack of funds. Every cloud...

Ben said...

People need to be more active & get angry (that's why left wing protesters get noticed).

Write to politicians and demand answers for why this kind of wasteful spending is going on.

Also, ask whether immigration will be slowed. Particularly those from low IQ populations who will burden tax payers for years to come.

"National Data, By Edwin S. Rubenstein
Memo to President Obama: Add Immigration Moratorium to the Economic Stimulus Package
[See also: So You Want To Boost The Economy? End Affirmative Action!, by Steve Sailer]
Dear Mr. President: What if government spending can’t turn things around? What if the banks continue hoarding TARP funds, and deny loans to deserving companies and individuals? Now think: what would happen if after years of monstrous fiscal deficits the U.S. is still mired in unemployment and slow growth?

The last time that happened—in the 1930s – the outcome was…. Well, you know how that played out. But even without Smoot-Hawley and beggar–thy-neighbor policy mistakes, the U.S. could face a similar fate today.

Consider this: Two to three percent GDP growth is needed just to absorb new entrants to the labor force.

In times of buoyant demand, this is no problem. In times of collapsing private spending, as now—it is a huge one. Even unbelievably large fiscal deficits—10 percent of GDP or more –will not stimulate enough growth to prevent unemployment from continuing to rise through the next two years. [Choices made in 2009 will shape the globe’s destiny, By Martin Wolf, Financial Times, January 7, 2009.]

One reason for our predicament: immigration is swelling the U.S. labor force beyond the ability of fiscal policy to generate jobs.

During the decade of the 1990s, 47 percent of U.S. civilian labor force growth was due to immigration. This represented the largest influx of foreign workers ever to enter the U.S. in a given decade—substantially exceeding the number who came here during the Great Wave of 1890 to 1910. [Andrew Sum, et al., Foreign Immigration and the Labor Force of the U.S., [PDF] Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, July 2004.]

But records are made to be broken, and nowhere more so than in immigration. Over the period 2000 to 2007 foreign-born individuals accounted for:

38 percent of U.S. population growth
51 percent of U.S. labor force growth
56 percent of U.S. employment growth. (In other words, immigrants displaced Americans).
(Please see Chart 1 for the underlying numbers.)

All of which raises an obvious question: Why not impose a moratorium on immigration? By cutting labor force growth in half, this would allow our weakened economy to absorb a greater fraction of new—native-born American—entrants.

The unemployment rate would fall. And, equally important, average incomes would rise as jobs currently going to low wage immigrants would be filled by U.S.-born workers.

What would an immediate moratorium do? I have run the numbers for 2008.

You will recall that the unemployment rate was 7.2 percent in December 2008, up from 4.9 percent in December of 2007. Over that period unemployment rose by 3.6 million, swelled by job losers as well as new labor force entrants.

The civilian labor force grew by 611,000 last year, from 153.836 million in December 2007 to 154.447 million December 2008. Had a moratorium been in effect, about 305,000 fewer people would be looking for jobs.

That may not sound like a lot at a time when jobs are disappearing by more than 500,000 per month. But 305,000 fewer job seekers is equal to about 9 percent of last year’s stunning unemployment increase, the biggest for 22 years.

Implication: a one-year moratorium would reduce by at least 9 percent the stimulus spending required to restore the economy to its pre-meltdown state. That translates to $90 billion of federal savings.

Of course, if the moratorium were extended for several years, its effects would compound.

Plus, when (and if) the economy bounces back, employment of native-born Americans would increase that much faster.

You might consider a more sweeping change in immigration policy: enforcing the immigration laws. Neglecting them has permitted from 8 to 10 million illegal aliens to work in the United States. (That’s the official estimate. Private estimates are as high as double that).

Escort just half of them to the border and you will have rolled-back last year’s entire unemployment spike—and then some...

Their employers will squeal like stuck pigs. So will the ethnic lobbies and the religious Left.

But in this economy, no one can say the illegals are doing jobs that Americans won’t do.

Edwin S. Rubenstein (email him) is President of ESR Research Economic Consultants in Indianapolis."

https://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/090127_nd.htm

Ben said...

Maybe also send this report on the "Cost of Diversity" to your politicians and journalists. Quite interesting reading.

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/costofdiversity.pdf

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/

Ben said...

Interesting site with considerable research on IQ, hereditability of behavioural traits, & critiques of 'The Mismeasure of Man' and Goleman's book 'Emotional Intelligence'. Might be useful as Ireland will no doubt face pressure to introduce affirmative action in the years ahead.

http://www.affirmativeactionhoax.com/

Anonymous said...

That's a great comment from Ben. Problem is, there are now so many immigrants here - and in Irelnd too I guess - that the damage has been done.

Anonymous said...

Problem is, all those african freeloaders that are here now will be the last to go. They're here, living off the fat of the land - why go back to Africa?

We created this problem and now we're stuck with it,

Ben said...

Hi Savant,

I recently came across this comment by Captain Purplehead complaining about your blog.

I posted that I thought you actually make some sound points. His response was to abuse me. No effort to make any argument, just abuse. Quite telling really. People like him can't defend their position.

I've set out our discussion below for your interest:

"Sometimes it’s shameful to be Irish.

Filed under: Rantings & Ravings

Just a quick post. There’s an idiot blogger called the Irish Savant who seems to have cornered the market on idiocy. Savant means someone scholarly or learned which this moron clearly is not. I accidentally stumbled across his hate-filled, racist, xenophobic, homophobic and thoroughly moronic blog and I think that anyone reading this should just go to his site once simply to inform him that he is indeed an idiot. It’s people like him who we will have to drag kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I’m not going to include a link as its mere presence would sully even a blog as ordinary as this. Just google him and remind him that he’s an idiot. Don’t visit more than once as he really doesn’t deserve the exposure...


5.Irish Savant’s comments regarding intelligence and it’s importance in terms of immigration are supported by academic literature. Intelligence, like all behavioural traits, is significantly hereditary. It significantly predicts academic performance, and occupational success in more complex jobs (this is why the US army still uses the tests). As the economy becomes more complex therefore it is vital to have a well educated and highly intelligent population.

Also, it is quite clear that their are group differences in averages. Further, gene variants associated with higher intelligence gene variants (rs2760118-C on SSADH, rs324650-T on CHRM2, and rs760761-C on DTNBP1, for example) are not distributed evenly among the populations sampled in the Hapmap.

G. Cochran, J. Hardy, H. Harpending, Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence, Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659–693 (2006).

“Data from more than 8000 parent-offspring pairs, 25,000 sibling pairs, 10,000 twin pairs and adoption studies provide evidence that genetic factors play a substantial role in the variation of general intelligence, with heritability estimates ranging from 40 to 80%” –Burdick et al, Cognitive variation in DTNBP1 influence general cognitive ability. Human Molecular Genetics, 2006, Vol 15, No. 10.

“Heritability estimtes for intelligence quotient (IQ) range from 0.50 to 0.80. This makes IQ a suitable target for attempts to identify the specific genes involved.” Chorney et al, Role of the cholinergic muscarinic 2 receptor (CHRM@) gene in cognition. Molecular Psychiatry (2003) 8. 10-13.

“A substantial body of literature from twin, family and adoption studies documents significant genetic effects on human intelligence. Heritability estimates range from 40 to 80% and meta-analyses suggest an overall heritability of around 50%” Dick et al, (2006) “Association of CHRM2 with IQ: Converging Evidence for Genes Influencing Intelligence.” Behavioral Genetics.

“Multivariate genetic analyses indicate that general intelligence is highly heritable, and that the overlap in the cognitive processes is twice as great as the overall phenotypic overlap, with genetic correlations averaging around .80.”

Plomin et al (2004) “A functional polymorphism in the succinate-semialdehyde dehydrogenase genes is associated with cognitive ability,” Molecular Psychology 9, 582-586.

Rushton, J. P., & Jensen, A. R. (2005). Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 11, 235-294

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

Comment by Ben Richards — January 29, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

6.Also, it is good to have someone questioning the wisdom of mass immigration. Research doesn’t suggest it’s such a great idea.

For instance research on it by Robert Putman at Harvard shows that increased diversity leads to reduced trust and community engagement. Prof. Putnam cited other studies that have found people in “diverse” workgroups-not only of race but also age and professional background-are less loyal to the group, more likely to resign, and generally less satisfied than people who work with people like themselves. He also noted a study that found carpooling is less common in racially-mixed neighborhoods. Carpooling means counting on your neighbors, and people are more likely to trust people like themselves. Studies from Australia, Sweden, and Canada also show that ethnic diversity lowers levels of trust, and the same effect is found in non-Western countries.

Dora Costa of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Matthew Kahn of Tufts University analyzed 15 recent studies of the impact of diversity on social cohesion. They found that every study had “the same punch line: heterogeneity reduces civic engagement. In more diverse communities, people participate less as measured by how they allocate their time, their money, their voting and their willingness to take risks to help others.”

Even the economic benefits of mass immigration are questionable. The report last year in England by the Lords economic affairs said immigration had had “little or no positive impact” on the living standards of the existing population.

Comment by Ben Richards — January 29, 2009 @ 8:55 pm
7.

You may think this is trivial, but the implications of differences in group ability are considerable. Eventually Ireland will require ‘affirmative action’ and diversity programmes. However, as the US experience shows these are hugely costly & lead to resentment.

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/costofdiversity.pdf

Comment by Ben Richards — January 29, 2009 @ 8:59 pm
8.

Yep! You’re an idiot alright. After three comments and an unbelievably long-winded response, you actually appear to be a bigger idiot that I first thought.

Comment by captainpurplehead — January 29, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
9.

Yup. This is a gravely challenged individual.

Idiot.

Comment by Bock the Robber — January 29, 2009 @ 9:47 pm
10.

He’s one of those unfortunate idiots though. You know the ones. They come up with a whole doctrine to excuse their idiocy but just come up looking like more of an idiot that they originally did. What a fucking idiot..

Comment by captainpurplehead — January 29, 2009 @ 9:55 pm
11.

CaptainPurple Head,

Do you actually disagree with anything I’ve said in a factual sense? It seems you are committing the moralistic fallacy - it’s bad so therefore it cannot be true.

Seriously, can you explain why my post annoys you? And I mean what specifically you disagree with?

Comment by Ben Richards — January 30, 2009 @ 3:21 am
12.

All I’m suggesting is that in 30 years you will realise that the experience in Canada and the UK is not unique. Some immigrant groups will be overrepresented in violent crime and academic underachievement. Others (namely East Asian of Chinese or Japanese descent) will excel academically and be underrepresented in crime.

However, as a result of one group underperforming various diversity and affirmative action measures will be undertaken and you will be blamed for institutional racism in causing their underachievement.

Just giving you a heads up.

Rushton, J.P., & Whitney, G. (2002). Cross-national variation in violent crime rates: Race, r-K theory, and income. Population and Environment, 23, 501-511.

Comment by Ben Richards — January 30, 2009 @ 3:38 am
13.

You seem to have a plethora of quotes to bang away with but no historical substance to your argument. If anything, our race has shown that we’re easily led and quite happy to go with the flow - even if that flow happens to be a flow directed by bigotted dickheads like yourself and, say, Hitler. By the way, if you think that I’m bringing this down to level of hurling insults at you it is because I am. I find you and your fascist buddies to be the most detestable fucking knuckle-dragging morons that happened to spew forth into the midwife’s hands.

Comment by captainpurplehead — January 30, 2009 @ 9:21 am
14.

Oh and another thing; you’re an idiot! History is littered with idiots who thought they knew more than everyone else about race. The only difference with you is that you appear infinitely more vacuous than the rest.

Comment by captainpurplehead — January 30, 2009 @ 4:29 pm
15.

CaptainPurple Head,

I should probably mention to you ‘Godwin’s Law’ in case you haven’t heard of it previously.

If you were serious about history you’d realise that your view that their are no group differences, or that people are essentially blank slates has had equally dire consequences. For instance, the Chinese in Malaysia or Armenian Jews have been persecuted for their overachievement. Of course this overlooks research, such as I’ve cited above, that East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have a higher group average on intelligence tests. Therefore there occupational and academic success is entirely predictable. By not realising group differences it makes people believe differences must be due to unfairness. This leads to resentment & in some cases persecution as those examples show (also consider Pol Pot’s ‘Year Zero’).

Also, you must realise that group differences do not imply much about a particular individual (for instance you’ll have overlap amongst groups) so I’m not suggesting you prejudge individuals based on race.

Comment by Ben Richards — February 1, 2009 @ 11:23 pm
16.

“bigotted dickheads like yourself and, say, Hitler”

You forgot Gandhi & Albert Schweitzer (see their comments on living in Africa).

Seriously, mentioning Hitler is silly. A couple of points.

1. Nazis were killing people & trying to create an empire - I’m just suggesting you should observe overseas experience in immigration decisions.

2. I’m suggesting IQ is surprisingly effective in predicting a number of outcomes. The Nazis banned IQ tests because Jews outperformed the general population.

Comment by Ben — February 2, 2009 @ 7:18 am
17.

Yeah but you’re still an idiot.

Comment by Cap\'n P — February 3, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

http://captainpurplehead.blogs.ie/2009/01/24/sometimes-its-shameful-to-be-irish/

Ben017 said...

Hi Savant,

I recently came across this comment by Captain Purplehead complaining about your blog.

I posted that I thought you actually make some sound points. His response was to abuse me. No effort to make any argument, just abuse. Quite telling really. People like him can't defend their position.

I've set out our discussion below for your interest:

"Sometimes it’s shameful to be Irish.

Filed under: Rantings & Ravings

Just a quick post. There’s an idiot blogger called the Irish Savant who seems to have cornered the market on idiocy. Savant means someone scholarly or learned which this moron clearly is not. I accidentally stumbled across his hate-filled, racist, xenophobic, homophobic and thoroughly moronic blog and I think that anyone reading this should just go to his site once simply to inform him that he is indeed an idiot. It’s people like him who we will have to drag kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I’m not going to include a link as its mere presence would sully even a blog as ordinary as this. Just google him and remind him that he’s an idiot. Don’t visit more than once as he really doesn’t deserve the exposure...


5.Irish Savant’s comments regarding intelligence and it’s importance in terms of immigration are supported by academic literature. Intelligence, like all behavioural traits, is significantly hereditary. It significantly predicts academic performance, and occupational success in more complex jobs (this is why the US army still uses the tests). As the economy becomes more complex therefore it is vital to have a well educated and highly intelligent population.

Also, it is quite clear that their are group differences in averages. Further, gene variants associated with higher intelligence gene variants (rs2760118-C on SSADH, rs324650-T on CHRM2, and rs760761-C on DTNBP1, for example) are not distributed evenly among the populations sampled in the Hapmap.

G. Cochran, J. Hardy, H. Harpending, Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence, Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659–693 (2006).

“Data from more than 8000 parent-offspring pairs, 25,000 sibling pairs, 10,000 twin pairs and adoption studies provide evidence that genetic factors play a substantial role in the variation of general intelligence, with heritability estimates ranging from 40 to 80%” –Burdick et al, Cognitive variation in DTNBP1 influence general cognitive ability. Human Molecular Genetics, 2006, Vol 15, No. 10.

“Heritability estimtes for intelligence quotient (IQ) range from 0.50 to 0.80. This makes IQ a suitable target for attempts to identify the specific genes involved.” Chorney et al, Role of the cholinergic muscarinic 2 receptor (CHRM@) gene in cognition. Molecular Psychiatry (2003) 8. 10-13.

“A substantial body of literature from twin, family and adoption studies documents significant genetic effects on human intelligence. Heritability estimates range from 40 to 80% and meta-analyses suggest an overall heritability of around 50%” Dick et al, (2006) “Association of CHRM2 with IQ: Converging Evidence for Genes Influencing Intelligence.” Behavioral Genetics.

“Multivariate genetic analyses indicate that general intelligence is highly heritable, and that the overlap in the cognitive processes is twice as great as the overall phenotypic overlap, with genetic correlations averaging around .80.”

Plomin et al (2004) “A functional polymorphism in the succinate-semialdehyde dehydrogenase genes is associated with cognitive ability,” Molecular Psychology 9, 582-586.

Rushton, J. P., & Jensen, A. R. (2005). Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 11, 235-294

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

Comment by Ben Richards — January 29, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

6.Also, it is good to have someone questioning the wisdom of mass immigration. Research doesn’t suggest it’s such a great idea.

For instance research on it by Robert Putman at Harvard shows that increased diversity leads to reduced trust and community engagement. Prof. Putnam cited other studies that have found people in “diverse” workgroups-not only of race but also age and professional background-are less loyal to the group, more likely to resign, and generally less satisfied than people who work with people like themselves. He also noted a study that found carpooling is less common in racially-mixed neighborhoods. Carpooling means counting on your neighbors, and people are more likely to trust people like themselves. Studies from Australia, Sweden, and Canada also show that ethnic diversity lowers levels of trust, and the same effect is found in non-Western countries.

Dora Costa of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Matthew Kahn of Tufts University analyzed 15 recent studies of the impact of diversity on social cohesion. They found that every study had “the same punch line: heterogeneity reduces civic engagement. In more diverse communities, people participate less as measured by how they allocate their time, their money, their voting and their willingness to take risks to help others.”

Even the economic benefits of mass immigration are questionable. The report last year in England by the Lords economic affairs said immigration had had “little or no positive impact” on the living standards of the existing population.

Comment by Ben Richards — January 29, 2009 @ 8:55 pm
7.

You may think this is trivial, but the implications of differences in group ability are considerable. Eventually Ireland will require ‘affirmative action’ and diversity programmes. However, as the US experience shows these are hugely costly & lead to resentment.

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/costofdiversity.pdf

Comment by Ben Richards — January 29, 2009 @ 8:59 pm
8.

Yep! You’re an idiot alright. After three comments and an unbelievably long-winded response, you actually appear to be a bigger idiot that I first thought.

Comment by captainpurplehead — January 29, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
9.

Yup. This is a gravely challenged individual.

Idiot.

Comment by Bock the Robber — January 29, 2009 @ 9:47 pm
10.

He’s one of those unfortunate idiots though. You know the ones. They come up with a whole doctrine to excuse their idiocy but just come up looking like more of an idiot that they originally did. What a fucking idiot..

Comment by captainpurplehead — January 29, 2009 @ 9:55 pm
11.

CaptainPurple Head,

Do you actually disagree with anything I’ve said in a factual sense? It seems you are committing the moralistic fallacy - it’s bad so therefore it cannot be true.

Seriously, can you explain why my post annoys you? And I mean what specifically you disagree with?

Comment by Ben Richards — January 30, 2009 @ 3:21 am
12.

All I’m suggesting is that in 30 years you will realise that the experience in Canada and the UK is not unique. Some immigrant groups will be overrepresented in violent crime and academic underachievement. Others (namely East Asian of Chinese or Japanese descent) will excel academically and be underrepresented in crime.

However, as a result of one group underperforming various diversity and affirmative action measures will be undertaken and you will be blamed for institutional racism in causing their underachievement.

Just giving you a heads up.

Rushton, J.P., & Whitney, G. (2002). Cross-national variation in violent crime rates: Race, r-K theory, and income. Population and Environment, 23, 501-511.

Comment by Ben Richards — January 30, 2009 @ 3:38 am
13.

You seem to have a plethora of quotes to bang away with but no historical substance to your argument. If anything, our race has shown that we’re easily led and quite happy to go with the flow - even if that flow happens to be a flow directed by bigotted dickheads like yourself and, say, Hitler. By the way, if you think that I’m bringing this down to level of hurling insults at you it is because I am. I find you and your fascist buddies to be the most detestable fucking knuckle-dragging morons that happened to spew forth into the midwife’s hands.

Comment by captainpurplehead — January 30, 2009 @ 9:21 am
14.

Oh and another thing; you’re an idiot! History is littered with idiots who thought they knew more than everyone else about race. The only difference with you is that you appear infinitely more vacuous than the rest.

Comment by captainpurplehead — January 30, 2009 @ 4:29 pm
15.

CaptainPurple Head,

I should probably mention to you ‘Godwin’s Law’ in case you haven’t heard of it previously.

If you were serious about history you’d realise that your view that their are no group differences, or that people are essentially blank slates has had equally dire consequences. For instance, the Chinese in Malaysia or Armenian Jews have been persecuted for their overachievement. Of course this overlooks research, such as I’ve cited above, that East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have a higher group average on intelligence tests. Therefore there occupational and academic success is entirely predictable. By not realising group differences it makes people believe differences must be due to unfairness. This leads to resentment & in some cases persecution as those examples show (also consider Pol Pot’s ‘Year Zero’).

Also, you must realise that group differences do not imply much about a particular individual (for instance you’ll have overlap amongst groups) so I’m not suggesting you prejudge individuals based on race.

Comment by Ben Richards — February 1, 2009 @ 11:23 pm
16.

“bigotted dickheads like yourself and, say, Hitler”

You forgot Gandhi & Albert Schweitzer (see their comments on living in Africa).

Seriously, mentioning Hitler is silly. A couple of points.

1. Nazis were killing people & trying to create an empire - I’m just suggesting you should observe overseas experience in immigration decisions.

2. I’m suggesting IQ is surprisingly effective in predicting a number of outcomes. The Nazis banned IQ tests because Jews outperformed the general population.

Comment by Ben — February 2, 2009 @ 7:18 am
17.

Yeah but you’re still an idiot.

Comment by Cap\'n P — February 3, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

http://captainpurplehead.blogs.ie/2009/01/24/sometimes-its-shameful-to-be-irish/

SAVANT said...

Ben - you're too kind and logical to be engaging with these guys. Reading your sequence it beggars belief how incompetent they are. All he does is say you're a moron, ya na na nana. Pathetic.

Your facts and logic are wasted on such wankers.

And yes, I have received a plethora of messages in response to his campaign. all virtually verbatim. 'Savant, you're a moron'

Powerful, compelling stuff.

Ben said...

Hi Savant,

I actually find it quite heartening. If that's the best they can do it suggests that if you challenge them there's not much they can come back with. I think they've been so brainwashed that they automatically react with hostility. However, the facts are there & they can't deny them forever.

kerdasi amaq said...

Captain Purplehead eh? could he be circumcised?

Viking said...

hey Ben - I'm sorry you wasted to much time debating with that guy. I've had similar problems - in the end an attempt to be reasonable and look at the evidence is usually laughed at. while reading your post, it did strike me that "diversity" is a uniquely western thing. Nigerians wouldnt stand for hundreds of whiteys moving into downtown lagos - there'd be riots! and of course, that would be 'imperialism'. I've just returned from two years in South Africa, and driving through the townships I was glared at, yelled at, and basically told what the hell was I doing in their area. In fact, I was bringing diversity!

FishEagle said...

Viking, you were not shot at! You were lucky!

Ben, I had a very similar discussion with a fellow white South African on another blog. My comments were promptly deleted. At first my response was instinctive disbelief. Now I just have a deeper understanding.

I think most liberals just use the internet to look for a pat on the back and to fill an emotional void in their lives. Fortunately politics requires logic just like everything else. The moral of the story is that liberals probably just need a good fuck to clear their minds!

Sufferthelittlesheep said...

Captainpurpletwat certainly sounds like he was finally aloud to drink with the Marxists at the student union. Now, let me guess, he probably studied some pointless modern day degree that ain't worth the paper it's printed on. This poor soul probably believes what he hears on TV without reservation and is told what and how to think in the paper he reads (these cretins are everywhere). However this unfortunate individual's real problem is, he is a COWARD, who doesn't have the guts to come out of his little stupor and grasp some unpleasant facts about the world he lives in today. What will he do when his comfort zone no longer exists, he'll get no help from people like me. I for one will be glad to see the end of his kind.

Ben said...

"hey Ben - I'm sorry you wasted to much time debating with that guy. I've had similar problems - in the end an attempt to be reasonable and look at the evidence is usually laughed at"

I think it's still important to stand up to these guys. The facts aren't on their side.

If you refer to research on IQ, and the downsides of diversity, all they can do is call you names. Maybe other people reading will start to question some of the liberal propaganda.

"Ben, I had a very similar discussion with a fellow white South African on another blog. My comments were promptly deleted."

Again, censorship is really there best weapon. There's an interesting book called "The IQ Controversy" by Snyderman & Rothman. It documents how the media has effectively distorted academic research on intelligence. With the internet their grip is weakening though.

Ben said...

The increasingly farcical discussion with Captain Purplehead continues...



"I must say that “Ben” has won this “debate” easily. He has all the facts and empirical evidence on his side, the other side just resort to name calling and wishful thinking.

Comment by martin_uk — February 7, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

Captain P,

This is an example of the kind of problem having groups with differing average abilities leads too:

“Seven black firefighters are suing the city, contending that the Houston Fire Department’s test for officer promotions adversely affects blacks.

“This is systemic discrimination,” said the firefighters’ attorney, Dennis Thompson. “Selection rates for African-Americans are abysmally smaller than for white candidates.”

What the article doesn’t mention is that gentile whites would also score below Ashkenazi Jews or East Asians on psychometric tests, but this is never due to systematic discrimination. The reality is that groups tend to have different abilities on average, so achieving proportional results is impossible. However, people will blame it on racism and bring these ridiculous lawsuits.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6247438.html

Comment by Ben Richards — February 8, 2009 @ 3:27 am

Admit it, Captain Purplehead, Ben has won the argument hands down.

Comment by Dave M. — February 8, 2009 @ 6:44 am

Ah well now that Martin and Dave have declared a winner I suppose it must be fact. Listen Ben; just because you’ve got a couple of your racist buddies to lend a hand means fuck all. You’re a racist. If you want one example, take a look at the new American president and compare him to the old white clown that he succeeded. You, Martin and Dave are morons. That’s not name calling; it’s just a simple fact. It’s not your fault that you’re morons but that doesn’t alter the fact that you are. Grow up and grow a brain. You sit at a pc spouting racist bullshit when your time would be better served doing something decent.

Comment by Cap'n P — February 8, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Cap’n P — This creature has an obsession with black people. I don’t know why you entertain it.

You realise, Cap’n, that it gets its jollies from this kind of argument and that it’s typing these comments with one hand.

Comment by Bock the Robber — February 8, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

I think Ben’s position is far more persuasive, Cap’n. He has research to back up his position, so far you have just called him names. Indeed, name calling is the last recourse for an exhausted mind.

Comment by Martel — February 8, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

“If you want one example, take a look at the new American president and compare him to the old white clown that he succeeded.”

Captain P, read my posts above again. They refer to group averages. There is overlap amongst the groups. For instance there are gentile whites who outperform Ashkenazi Jews academically. This doesn’t alter the fact that the group averages are different.

Comment by Ben Richards — February 8, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

An exhausted mind? Hhmmm, you could have something there, “Martel”. My mind does become exhausted from too mush exposure to people like “you”, “Dave” and “Martin” but I haven’t resorted to name calling, I’m merely describing you all quite accurately. “All” of “you” keep alluding to the fact that he has researched his racist theories but taking a couple of random suggestions simply because they support your idiotic argument isn’t research.

Comment by Cap\'n P — February 8, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

“All” of “you” keep alluding to the fact that he has researched his racist theories but taking a couple of random suggestions simply because they support your idiotic argument isn’t research.”

Captain P, what do you disagree with?

human intelligence:

* can be measured;

* matters, a lot;

* differs by heredity (50% to 80%);

* (most controversially) differs, on average, among various groups, such as races.

Here is an explanation that may help you in relation to how it is distributed.

Seligman does not argue that this means any white you stop in the street will be necessarily smarter than any black. Group averages tell nothing about individuals. Blacks score at all ability levels, including the very highest. Individual black scores as high as 200 have been recorded. There are about 5 million American blacks who score above the white average.

And for those who still believe in white supremacy, Seligman has bad news: On average whites score lower in IQ tests than East Asians.

So why drag all this into the open at a time when reasonable people want better race relations? Seligman’s answer: Since IQ is a good measure of potential job performance, it cannot be ignored in hiring and promotion, as affirmative action quota policies dictate. He suggests that, in attempting to ensure equal representation at every level, public policy may be on a collision course with reality.

Intelligence in a population, Seligman points out, is distributed in a “normal” or bell-shaped curve around the average, or median, score. The further from the median, the more dramatically the number of individuals in that range shrinks.

Thus an IQ level of 115 is considered the threshold for top managerial and professional jobs. Only about 16% of whites, or about 30 million, score at or above it. There are many individual blacks in that range. But their proportion of the total black population is smaller, because the 115 threshold is further from the black median IQ.

Seligman cites University of Delaware sociologist Linda Gottfredson’s work: “It suggests that the distribution of income and occupations may already be about what the IQ numbers would predict.”

“The black-white IQ gap is only one chapter out of 15 in the book,” Seligman says. But, he adds resignedly, “It’s what people really want to talk about.”

Comment by Ben Richards — February 8, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

If you’re still asking what I disagree with, you’re a bigger idiot than even I took you for - and I think you’re an idiot of gargantuan proportions. You can take control groups or you can manipulate them to get favourable results based on your particular ethos. You’re a racist and I hate racism.

Comment by captainpurplehead — February 8, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

“If you’re still asking what I disagree with, you’re a bigger idiot than even I took you for - and I think you’re an idiot of gargantuan proportions. You can take control groups or you can manipulate them to get favourable results based on your particular ethos. You’re a racist and I hate racism.”

1. So people have manipulated results to show East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews outperform gentile whites on average? Hmmm…

2. If I pointed to research showing groups do better in different athletic pursuits would that be racist? If groups have some variance in physical traits because of evolving in different areas, why is pointing that out racist?

3. If it’s simply a case of manipulating the study, why not get some neutral group to fund some research?

You don’t like what a century of psychometricians have come up with? That’s fine: but what have you come up with? You don’t think I.Q. tests are valid as a way to quantify smartness? Then what do you think is valid? What methodology would you suggest? Where is your data? What hypotheses have you generated? Where did you publish your results? What do your results say about group differences?

In science you have to walk the walk. I.Q. deniers are like the Intelligent Design folk: long on critique, pitifully short on research, on data, on work, on science.

Comment by Ben Richards — February 9, 2009 @ 12:37 am

Cap’n, when you’re in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. Ben is all over you, let’s face it. Your mistake was to actually believe the Establishment bullshine about racial equality in every conceivable thing (to the hundredth decimal place). But do you think the Establishment elite actaully believe it themselves? I’ll tell you what, they always make sure that their own children attend all white schools!

Comment by martin_uk — February 9, 2009 @ 1:00 am

http://captainpurplehead.blogs.ie/2009/01/24/sometimes-its-shameful-to-be-irish/

SAVANT said...

Ben - I dont see why you continue the, er, dialogue with this clown. I'm very much in favour of interaction and disagreement, but this guy cant get beyond 'ya boo, you're a moron'.

Your research and logic deserve better.

Viking said...

Ben - I agree, leave the guy alone! read his blog - he has little to say beyond what kind of sandwich he ate whilst on holiday. I understand it's frustrating, but not everybody who has their own blog has an able mind!

Robert said...

Captain PurpleTwat is an example of a Lysenko Creationist, they deny that evolution by natural selection applies to modern human brains. Like the Fundie Creationists, they elevate the human animal on a superstitious sacred pedestal.