Tuesday, 26 August 2008

Nigerians: An update (3)

Our 'Kenyan' friend is back. First he puts Nel to rights by insisting that he's Irish born and bred. And proud of it. To which I'd ask, if you're so proud of being Irish, why do you want to change us via mass immigration?

Second point, a key one being lost in all such discussions. Namely, not all immigrants are the same or have the same impact. I have said before, many times, that Northern Europeans or anyone from the Anglosphere will integrate comfortably into Ireland, and that most of them will become productive citizens, eventually becoming more Irish than the Irish themselves, as the saying goes.

However, three groups of immigrants in particular are - with some exceptions - very bad for Ireland. These are blacks, Muslims and gypsies. And for different reasons. Blacks drag everything and every place down. This has happened everywhere, is happening everywhere. How our 'Kenyan' friend cannot, or will not see this, is beyond me.

Gypsies have a debased culture in which the men don't work while the women and children are sent out to rob and swindle.That's the truth.

I have many dear Muslim friends, but in general, Muslims don't make good immigrants, mainly because they try to force Islam onto the unwilling 'host' country. This, not terrorism, is the main problem. I ask our friend to check my posts on the disastrous situation with Muslim immigrants in the Nordic countries, France and Holland.

Anyway, here's his response


Skot German's comments above (20 August 2008 03:45 ) are so myopic and ridiculous they have to be taken apart-We should be ashamed to act ungenerously to immigrants because we have a history whereby we had large numbers of our people who HAD to emigrate to survive in the past(a German would not appreciate this)....just like Africans have to do now.They benefited from no immigration regime when this happened and were absorbed by host
countries.

Immigrants to Ireland can be absorbed in just the same manner.Immigrants help drive the economy, work harder, are more entrepreneurial, help bring down the average pop. age and enrich a society culturally and socially.MOST IRISH PEOPLE ARE FINE WITH THE LEVELS OF MIGRANTS NOW IN THE COUNTRY. It is just bigots like the people on this site and right-wing media people who like to portray themselves as anti-establishment, who make noise about immigration.

The killer and laughable point with people like this is, just like how Savant portrays himself, they often were quote "liberals" in a past life, prob. the 60's and 70's(again to be different) and now that is too mainstream they revert to anti-establishment conservatism so they're not agreeing too often with everyone else....lol...what's the common denominator in this behaviour? attention seeking self-portrayl as different and un-PC....pathetic and childish in most sane people's books...

Skot German says: Some of my standards are: racial survival is good, peace and harmony are good, low population is good and prosperity is good. Bringing in Africans is a sin by my standards.NO. Your simplistic concept of "racial survival" is ridiculous. All races have evolved and changed down through the centuries.

Irish people are a mongrel race..as are Germans and most others unless you're from Iceland lol.All Irish people reading this will know we are made up of Celts, Vikings, Normans, English and peoples from many other ethnic backgrounds.The same is absolutely true of most African nationalities who have a complex ethnological makeup.You will only have the peace and harmony you want in a globalised world by being fair to people globally.

You will not have prosperity in the future by insular narrow minded jingoistic protectionism. That is a recipe for degeneration. So for all those people arguing...let's close the borders, seal ourselves up in a vaccum and let the rest of the world go to hell in a handcart....GET A GRIP!!You would end up with a geriatric, undynamic and increasingly sidelined, poor economy and scoiety....your answers are a recipe for FAILURE. You need to understand and engage with reality and the world that currently actually exists ...not some mad racist utopia of your imagination..

22 comments:

Rhein said...

I seriously doubt he's White. Everybody knows how much non-whites love to call us mongrels and other smears, without ever backing up their claims of course. If he is he's one the most delusional and self-hating out of all the ones i've seen or met. You can tell from his post that he's trying to convince himself more than us. He's simply parroting what the msm and the government feed him.

And national identity should not be confused with racial identity. We're very compatible amongst our own race, not matter wich country you're from. But between different race it's another matter entirely. Like Savant said why is he utterly incapable of seeing this is also beyond me.

Anonymous said...

I dont think he's white either. There's just something about the tone - i dont know what - but there's something that tells me he's not.

Tell us your name, boy!

Anonymous said...

Has this guy lost his marbles? african immmigrants are PRODUCTIVE???

read the post about the number of Nigerians claiming fraud and living in free housing.

Rohan Swee said...

Oh, I have no reason to believe he isn't white. The left side of that bell-curve isn't unoccupied, ya know. I've met this guy a thousand times. It's no different than arguing with a religious fundamentalist - you can spend an hour talking to them and carefully examining and refuting every claim, and at the end of the hour they'll just come full circle and simply start repeating the exact same things they were spouting at the beginning of the hour, as if the discussion of the last 60 minutes had simply never occurred.

Maybe, bless their hearts, it's a necessary anchor in an alien bewildering sea of fact and logic. (Well, I guess they don't say exactly the same thing at the end of the hour. At the reprise they usually throw in an extra but requisite bit about "white supremacists" and such. I often wonder if the bulk of the traffic at sites like "Stormfront" is from scandalized lefties who visit regularly for the pleasure of squealing, like the proverbial bluenose who seems so strangely familiar with the perviest shores of porn. That is, if sites like that get enough traffic to merit the phrase "bulk", or if they exist at all - I've never mustered enough curiosity to so much as click a link, though our Anony seems familiar with the minutiae of their blog-roll. Tsk.)

An interesting recent development in the bleat-speak of the eternal sophomore class, though, is the incorporation of what once would have been anathematized capitalist-fat-cat propaganda into their saviors-of-the-oppressed cant. Think open borders is a stupid idea? You and Kim Jong Il, jack! "Protectionist!" It's the new "racist!"

Anonymous said...

Rohan swee is spot on. You just go around in circles. For example he doesn't respond to the points about the experience of other countries and why we'd be different, or if he's so proud of being irish why he wants to change us.

Anonymous said...

What the African says

... mup da doo didda po mo gub bidda de dat tum muhFUGEN BIX NOOD

Anonymous said...

so we know Rohan is American....are there actually any Irish racist bigots posting on this site or ex Savant are you all Zuid Afrikaaners, English & American...

& u question whether I am Irish...tsk

SAVANT said...

Anonymous frined asks "are there actually any Irish racist bigots posting on this site or ex Savant are you all Zuid Afrikaaners, English & American..."

No, there are no racist bigots of any stripe posting here. We mainly have sensible people conerned with the undermining of society, and a few not very sensible people who think black immigration is a good thing.

b/t/w - my analytics show that approximately 30% of the hist come from Ireland.

Anonymous said...

ha ha...touch a nerve Savant??
nearly all the multiple posters spouting nonsence about race ex you seem to be non Irish....says it all...

in fact reinforces my belief in Irish people

SAVANT said...

jesus, anonymous, you'getting less logical with every input. your 'logic' is that because 70% of readers are from outside ireland, irish people in general support your views.

anyway, if oy think your views are so popular, why dont you give us your name?

kerdasi amaq said...

I don't see how the fact that Irish people have been forced to emigrate since the middle of the 19th century gives any foreigners the right to migrate here. This, in my opinion, is a crime against England(their ruling class actually) and has made Ireland the sort of country it is. Keep Africans in Africa! and keep other foreigners foreign!

Rohan Swee said...

kerdasi amaq - particularly since the Irish in Ireland are, after all, the descendants of the people who didn't migrate, eh?

Hmmm, are these people suggesting that people of a given race or ethnicity are connected to one another in some meaningful way, across space and time? My, my, my. Ah well, let's grant them the sauce for the gander - if the Irish migrated Somewhere, some of the denizens of Somewhere ought to be able to migrate right back. So maybe you should be on the hook for a few Australian aborigines, and any Iroquois, Apaches, Old Stock Anglo-Americans, or the odd tribal member from South America, who might have taken a shine to your island. But the last I looked, the Irish diaspora was not livin' large in Nigeria (or China, etc.).

Anonymous said...

Godd point, rohan swee.... good point

Anonymous said...

mmm...

our American redneck friend Rohan is back with this gem-

"But the last I looked, the Irish diaspora was not livin' large in Nigeria (or China, etc.)."

maybe Rohan that's because of the circumstances of the times when Irish people had to emigrate ...they went to countries of opportunity...

as to Nigeria or China...I think many more Americans will probably be speaking Chinese before long...so pull your head out of your behind..


Rohan you don't really seem to grasp the concept of an Irish diaspora....ask Irish-American people in the US if they're Irish as 2nd or 3rd generation & you'll get an emphatic YES...

Rohan Swee said...

"our American redneck friend Rohan..."

At your service, amigo. (Or should I say, "pengyou"?)

"maybe Rohan that's because of the circumstances of the times when Irish people had to emigrate ...they went to countries of opportunity..."

Ya think?

"as to Nigeria or China...I think many more Americans will probably be speaking Chinese before long...so pull your head out of your behind..

Quite right, anony. The Chinese are busily colonizing Anglosphere countries, whose leaders are selling out their citizens as fast as the Chinese can grease the sell-outs' greedy little paws. I hope to see the traitors hang one day, but one can hardly fault the Chinese for taking advantage of suckers and traitors when they find 'em. The Chinese are very nation-conscious and look out for their own. No multi-cult b.s for them, no sir. I admire that in a people.

But is there some sort of point here and not just some randomly generated generalized diss? The Americans are letting themselves be rolled by the Chinese, ergo, the Irish have a moral obligation to admit all comers from China? Does that come anywhere near making sense? (Does the illiterate fondness for the misuse of ellipses interfere with the ability to follow and articulate a coherent line of thought?)

"ask Irish-American people in the US if they're Irish as 2nd or 3rd generation & you'll get an emphatic YES...

2nd and 3rd generation? Is this one of those "I'm my own grandfather" riddles? Sounds like the wind-up to some Englishmen's Irish-razzing joke. What's the punchline?

Actually, the Irish-Americans I know are, as per stereotype, witty and highly verbally adept, and only take on the pose of illogic when they're enjoying messing with their interlocutor's head, via the skilled and deliberate practice of the far-famed Irish bull. So I'm beginning to see some evidence for the other commenter's contention that you're not a native Irishmen. (Of course, PC education has been dumbing-down the native wit over here, too, so maybe it's also having its effect on the Irish. Humanity's tragedy, if so.)

Anonymous said...

Not one of the 'naysayers' have put a single meangful argument against what this post says.

Must improve, guys!

Skot German said...

Ho-hum, the Kenyan has said nothing new and nothing that has not been adequately addressed by Savant and others.

Some people think arguments are won by writing a tome rehashing all of the things they have ever read or heard from the MSM on the subject. Perhaps this should be called the "wagon load fallacy" and be discussed in logic textbooks along with the non-sequiter and post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc.

One thing the Kenyan said on which I will comment is : "Your simplistic concept of "racial survival" is ridiculous". There is no arguing preference. If my views are simplistic and ridiculous to you, so be it. Your enthusiasm for immigration and national and racial suicide are preferences I will never share.

To me, the European gene pool is worth preserving. It is my narrow-minded bigoted belief that from it have emerged civilizations, arts and sciences that are far superior to anything else that has ever appeared on the planet. I can't think of anything right now that Non-Europeans have produced that makes me envious, certainly not Africans. I want to keep non-Europeans out of Europe and the US and Canada too. If I never see another Non-European, my itty-bitty pea brain would be content.

Anonymous said...

Skot german say "It is my narrow-minded bigoted belief that ...."

Thank you, you've explained yourself fully!

Munin said...

"The European gene pool is worth preserving", wrote Skot German.

That is a "narrow-minded bigoted belief", commented Anon (31 August 2008 10:02).

I doubt, that Anon would categorize someone, who wishes to preserve the gene pool of some particular plantlife or variety of fluffy animal, as someone with "narrow-minded bigoted beliefs".

For some peculiar reason (never explained by the likes of Anon) it is only the gene pool of varieties of homo sapiens he (or she) considers utterly devoid of intrinsic value.

Anonymous said...

So true Munin. You should see the way Japanese and Arabs want to preserve their gene pools. Why is it that only whites get stick for this?

Anonymous said...

Oh no Munin had to go and post an inane comment (below)...so here goes....

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF BIO RESERACH AND ENGINEERING???

The answer to you ridiculous post is...yes of course I would "categorise someone who wishes to preserve the gene pool of some particular plantlife or variety of fluffy animal, as someone with 'narrow-minded bigoted beliefs'.
That's what all these anti-GM fanatics are busy running about the countryside trying to do....just like you racialist, xenophobic Stormfront types, they cannot understand that an open mind means you do not have to segregate every plant, flower or organism just as it is. There is benefit from using our intelligence to understand that difference between species and their mixing can be a good & positive thing...

Savant you need to weed out the intellectually stunted if you want the cream of racist claptrap on your site..tut tut




"The European gene pool is worth preserving", wrote Skot German.

That is a "narrow-minded bigoted belief", commented Anon (31 August 2008 10:02).

I doubt, that Anon would categorize someone, who wishes to preserve the gene pool of some particular plantlife or variety of fluffy animal, as someone with "narrow-minded bigoted beliefs".

For some peculiar reason (never explained by the likes of Anon) it is only the gene pool of varieties of homo sapiens he (or she) considers utterly devoid of intrinsic value.

SAVANT said...

"Savant you need to weed out the intellectually stunted if you want the cream of racist claptrap on your site..tut tut"

Good one, anonymous, I have to give you that! I admire the verbal skills, if not the sentiment.