Thursday, 21 August 2008

Nigerians: Another response

A commentator takes Rohan Swee to task on his thoughts. You can read the full comment here.


I'd like to respond to a few points he makes.

"Ireland pre the 1980s was underdeveloped, backward (seems like we're still workin on this one) and insular. If you're Irish you'll know pretty damned well there were parts down the country where ud seriously suspect inbreeding of the worst kind. We became rich and wealthy because we used the EU to our full advantage. We got so much money in grants, loans and payments for infrastructure and set aside fields that we were dragged up to somewhere near the European average after a couple of decades."

True we were backward, but Ireland was not always so. We lead the world in the Middle Ages and developed advanced astronomy thousands of years ago. My own view is that we were backward because the Church had a stranglehold on the country, stifling debate, inquiry and innovation.

The EU aid was important, but if you add it up it came to less than half of 1% of our GDP over the relevant period. Now compare that to what Africa received, and they’re still in the shit.


" And on a wider point European and Western wealth as it exists now was not built over what "Rohan" calls "centuries of sacrifice".......it was built on centuries of using greater power and military strength to take advantage of every corner of the globe and rape mineral wealth to our hearts content."

Surely you don't believe that, my friend? That the only or main source of Europe’s wealth was the colonies? Ask yourself why Europe was able to dominate almost the world, with only a tiny percentage of its population. Because we were more advanced than the colonies. Colonisation has taken place since the beginning of time.

"Rohan needs to learn some history- political & economic..."

Maybe, but it seems you do too.

In any event, none of this takes away from the central thesis and the purpose of this blog: that large-scale, culturally-incompatible immigration, especially from Africa, is a disaster for any Western country.

17 comments:

Rohan Swee said...

"Rohan needs to learn some history- political & economic..."

Sir, allow me to thank you for filling in the gaps in my knowledge of political and economic history, and for correcting my misapprehension of the original comment. I had inferred that the claim was that Europeans had their nice countries because the Martians had handed it all to them on a platter. I now understand that the Martians had actually conferred all this bounty on all the other places, and that the Europeans then stole it. (With the exception of the superior military technology and organization, which was all the Martians had given to them. Perhaps because they noticed that only Europeans were given to killin' and stealin', and they wanted to enjoy a bit of sport? Perverse lot, those Martians.) I'm still not quite clear on how one can "steal" scientific and organizational knowledge, in the sense of leaving the original bearer bereft of these abstract items, but I'll look into it.

Thank you also for informing me that the Irish have had periods of poverty, backwardness, and misery. I had heretofore believed that they, alone among all the nations of the earth, had been spared these otherwise universal human conditions in their history.

I am now wholly persuaded that the Irish should desist in their selfishness and ingratitude and make room for as many millions of Third Worlders who wish to, to abide in your ill-gotten and undeserved territory.

Sincerely,
Rohan ""Rohan"" Swee

Rhein said...

I wasn't aware that Ireland had any colony... I guess you learn something every day.

In any case how does he explains the success of Canada, the US and Australia, who were themselves colonies?

None of the nordic countries had any colonies either yet their evolution matches that of the other White countries who did.

And about the inbreeding thing it's pure senseless White bashing so i'm not even going to bother. But just for the record, which race is the most diversified, or has any diversity whatsoever for that matter?

Anonymous said...

This guy has some nerve, saying Rohan should learn economic history. His comment shows he knows nothing about it. As Rhein says, what about the Scandinaian countries, probably the most advanced in the world?

Anonymous said...

There is only so far you can try to rationalise with people who do not want to hear the truth. My mistake was not googling this blog properly before posting....anyone who does will see the kind of support it receives from those who like to wear leather and play with white sheets and crosses....


I now realise that people like Rohan prefer to play with themselves & their Martian friends and that recognising the reality of European development ....built for an elite rich on the backs of the poor ( Europeans and those outside Europe)is not something he will admit to...

as to Ireland being some kind of Middle Ages beacon of light...again this kind of guff comes from far too much Christian Brothers indoctrination ......do we at the same time recognise that Muslims or other peoples in the Middle East were doing far more and far earlier than what was happening on a small scale in Ireland??.......no, didn't think so...

If I was Irish and if this blog is run by someone who's Irish I'd be ashamed to get references from people like Stormfront....

SAVANT said...

Anonymous - this is a typical peecee response. You've lost the factual argument so you resort to point and splutter and ad hominem (ad bloginem?) attacks.

Have you any idea of the extent to which western aid has been wasted in Africa?

Do you agree that large-scale black immigration into this country is good?

Do you truly, deep down, beliee that black backwardness is due to others?

And finally, the fact that sites like Stormfront link to us is irrelevent.

Anonymous said...

What crap. The Islamic world were the worst slae traders. They still hae slaves in Saudi and Sudan.

This guy needs to get out more!

Rohan Swee said...

That Anonymous 11:46 sure is an endless source of illumination, isn't he? Who knew that in Europe (and I guess only in Europe) a class of elites tended to push the poorer and less powerful around for their own benefit? Maybe one of these days he'll put two and two together and finally figure out that massive, unwanted immigration is itself one of the preferred modern methods of the "elite rich" for getting richer at the expense of the native chumps lower down in the food chain, and multi-culti as useful a rent-seeking and greed-enabling ideology as any old-school dogma.

OT - but since Anony has been so generous with his wisdom I feel I should reciprocate in some way: Anony, though ellipses have their uses (see rhein's comment, above), their exclusive use gives one's writing a limp, vapid tone. Several other types of punctuation can be incorporated to give your comments a crisp, authoritative aspect, and compel the reader to pay attention to the content of your thought, rather than being distracted by the hesitant and strangely girly quality of the all-ellipsis format. (Sorry, OT, but pet...peeve.)

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry what exactly is PC?? Is that a catch all phrase ur using to just cover any kind of thought that you don't agree with or like..

secondly, there's very little splutter in my comments. every one addressed the nonsence that you people are putting out on this blog.

you don't like the fact that it's a reality that western wealth was created largely with the industrial revolution at the same time as large scale colonial activity ..

so you ignore that ...


as to the waste of as you describe it "western aid"
in africa....

you conveniently only mention africa...you don't mention waste whatever its type in other parts of the developing world...or in EU countries ...

your implication is that waste is due to corrupt africans...again you trot out all the old tired cliches that serve to show you know very little about Africa or indeed the world. Why don't you talk about Enron?...about corporate fraud in the West?, about the aid that western aid agencies waste before it can get anywehere near anyone in Africa?

Myabe because you like to demonise Africans because they are the "other" you need to dislike and set yourself up against ...pasive agressiveness runs through most of the responses to what I've posted on here..

You ask- "Do you agree that large-scale black immigration into this country is good?"

who ever said that is what has happened, will happen or could ever happen? You really do need to get some perspective on the bigger world - for a Savant your intellect leaves a hlluva lot to be desired.

Ireland gets miniscule immigration from Africa..the only reason you even notice it now is because pre 2000 there were hardly ANY black faces in Ireland anywhere...

In any case you flatter yourself that Africans would want to mass migrate to Ireland. Most would choose to go to other parts of Europe every time before Ireland...Britain, Spain, France, Germany, Italy....they have all exoperienced some reasonable level of immigration from outside Europe....
IRELAND HAS NOT...

go look at the stats available...% wise its a tiny proportion of the population...


In your foolishness you also come out with this gem-

"Do you truly, deep down, beliee that black backwardness is due to others?"

When did I ever say that??? Go on quote me....naaah didn't think so...

I don't think anyone has a complete handy answer as to why Africa has problems that don't exist elsewhere....certainly not the good people on this blog.... Maybe it's because Africa is a different continent with a unique set of circumstances, history, economic problems largely stemming from trade inequalities and manipulation and militarisation during the Cold War by the superpowers ...after colonial era states had done a huge amount of damage already to indigenous social and political systems????

Also your presupposition that Africans are backward is just typically racist ....if you ever get to know people of different races you will realise there is no palpable difference btwn how God created us...except pigmentation...


AND YES THE FACT THAT STORMFRONT LINKS TO YOU IS RELEVANT BEACUSE IT SHOWS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF PEOPLE ON THIS SITE AND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.....EVERYONE WHO READS THIS SHOULD GO LOOK AT THEIR WEB PRESENCE AND DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHETHER THIS BLOG IS A DISGRACE OR NOT....


and finally but not least....for Rohan....you may not have a coherent argument but at least you think you can punctuate in a masculine way. that's probably all you got that's masculine ....when you finally grown into a MAN then other masuline attributes will follow...

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Anonymous - this is a typical peecee response. You've lost the factual argument so you resort to point and splutter and ad hominem (ad bloginem?) attacks.

Have you any idea of the extent to which western aid has been wasted in Africa?

Do you agree that large-scale black immigration into this country is good?

Do you truly, deep down, beliee that black backwardness is due to others?

And finally, the fact that sites like Stormfront link to us is irrelevent.

tvoh said...

It was not EU largesse, but Irish tax policy that got Ireland moving.

Ireland is moving so well, that the other EU countries don't like it and want Ireland to go back to confiscatory taxation.

SAVANT said...

Anonymous. Can I ask you to read the following three posts- they're not very long - and come back and tell me, in all sincerity, that you still hold the same views?

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2007/03/iq-is-key.html

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2007/01/inda-nibbles-at-bullet.html

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2007/08/elect-new-people.html


You seem to think that I have little or no expereince in Africa. Nothing could be further from the truth. I've done numerous assignments there, including one on a pro bono basis. Can you say that?

Also, I was a life-long liberal. But you know what they say 'a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged'.

Check out the posts and come back. If you can still face us!

Kilbarry1 said...

Savant

Based on my own experience, you will never persuade anyone that way. My own idee fixee is False Allegations of Child Abuse Against Catholic Clergy. On a number of occasions I have managed to persuade one of my "liberal" friends (well acquaintances) that such things exist e.g. by referring to an allegation of child abuse against a Christian Brother at a time when the latter was 2 years old!

I am always told that this is an exception. So I quote a second example - but people start getting testy and, after all, even two cases can be exceptional. I have NEVER been allowed to quote a third example - and nobody is going to read one either.

In general people will hold onto their own views against all evidence to the contrary. HOWEVER there is such a thing as water wearing away a stone but it is a long and horrendous process.

Anonymous said...

Savant I'm the same person who posted on this thread thruout as anonymous ...I'm not the anonymous you're seeking from other threads...(you however I suspect are probably posting away quite happily under other names)

so I'm not going to go trawling through your ramblings about IQ and your selective quotes from a single psycologist....that kind of foolishness proves what?....that one fool, who happens to be a psycologist, agrees with another fool...who happens to be a zenophobe...CONGRATULATIONS on that....


I'm only really interested in the threads you have on here related to Africa and showing them up for the nonsence that they are...

What really makes me cringe for Irish people is when I see comments from Africans on here showing hurt and disappointment at your attitudes and those of your fellow white supremacists...

My best guess is you're someone who is bitter about life and likes to oppose and create negativity rather than create and see humanity as something positive...

I guarantee you your experience of Africa is not a drop in the ocean ....

I have worked in Africa free...so you don't score on that one..

I have studied at Trinity and SOAS (london) and Boston....the best places to study Africa as an academic...

I have lived in Africa for long periods of time and live there some time every year.

I have travelled across most of the continet and seen the spectrum of life that is the continent...not some homogenous catch all you like to portray..

I have seen African culture and social mores up close and can appreciate that African culture is being negatively impacted on by Western consumerist nonsence..


Most importantly I know that you are ignorant on Africa beyond belief. I also suspect that a certain amount of this site is just guff and the worst kind of attention seeking imaginable....racism just to gain a web audience...

there are a lot of other easier ways to go about making a name on the web...

try one of them..

SAVANT said...

Anonymous - this all gets soooo confusing. Can't you at least give us a nom-de-guerre so we'll know whom we're interacting with? Others going under the anonmous tag do so, i imagine, for fear of loss or court actions.

No, I didnt expect you'd go through my 'ramblings' on IQ etc. You see, facts are inconvenient. Much easier to point and splutter.

In fairness, I'll acknowledge that, unlike so many with similar views, you have been to Africa and done pro bono work. I genuinely acknowledge that. But it seems to me, given our respective experiences, that you've seen everything thorugh rose-tinted spectacles, much like GB Shaw when he went to Russia in the twenties.

Zngr said...

This "anonymous" person has never set a foot on a university and I suspect he hasn't been closer to Africa than what he's seen from TV either.

Nobody with better than high school education and experience with producing text writes or articulates that bad. And it's not because he/she /it does not write English as primary language, the products of his keyboard diarrhea are well nigh unreadable...or do you agree...university professor... OF BOSTON...in...usa country of brave mens being too...I SAY...whitesupremacist...storm...fonfgty

Rhein said...

What really makes me cringe for Irish people is when I see comments from Africans on here showing hurt and disappointment at your attitudes and those of your fellow white supremacists...


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What about when young Irish lads and lasses get attacked or raped by an "enricher", does that make you cringe as well? or is your sympathy only for foreigners?

And why shouldn't the Irish be able to keep their demography and as such, their country? You're just another liberal/globalist that believes every thing he hears in the mainstream medias. Or maybe you know what's going on and want it to happen.

Btw "pc" means politically correct. You know, like when you tell the truth and then some troll barges in with insults and ideologies but not facts simply because he mistakes patriotism and common sense with racism. Altough you'll never seen those anti-whites racists attack the black panthers or any patriotic non-white entities. Liberals and double-standards...


"I have seen African culture and social mores up close and can appreciate that African culture is being negatively impacted on by Western consumerist nonsence.."

I agree entirely with you. And as such I can "appreciate" that Western culture is being negatively impacted on by enforced multiculturalism nonsense. Every race and nations have the right to their homelands and culture and are better off in homogenous populations. The sooner we get rid of the globalists/liberals and their insane policies the better.

Anonymous said...

rhein - your description of PC is perfect!

icr said...

So this blog is discredited because Stormfront links to it. During the so-called McCarthy Era in the US this kind of reasoning was called "guilt by association".