Monday, 31 March 2008

Do we need Christianity? (4)

This theme just rolls and rolls. So now we're on the fourth post. Here I look at some similarities between the Bible and the Koran.

Most informed people have recoiled at the horrors of the Koran. Since I raised the issue of Christianity, numerous commentators have drawn distinctions between Mein Kampf the Koran and the Bible. But the latter, at least the Old Testament, has its share of horrors as well. And this is not surprising, as the 'Prophet' cooked up his testament on the basis of half-understood biblical stories.

So, as you savour the following, you'll realise that maybe a little humility is in order, and realise how the followers of such a Book carried out so much evil. (I know, I know, they did good as well, but they'd still be burning witches and heretics - e.g. me - had not the Enlightenment triumphed).

Anyway, over to the Toxic Blogger

Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Human Sacrifice: Jephthah Burns His Daughter

"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back."...her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." (Judges 11:29-40)

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests:

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

The TB goes on : How seriously can intelligent humans take this kind of teaching, if at all? I think one can not. Only the narrowest of insecure minds, the most myopic of crutch-dependent malcontents will swear by these principles and blindly overlook the crude human intervention by which it was enacted.

Personally, I choose not to.


Anonymous said...

Thank you for this. So tell me, how exactly is Christianity better than Islam then?

Anonymous said...

I also am an atheist but it is obvious to me that Christianity is a far superior religion to Islam--for all kinds of reasons too numerous to go into here. Suffice it to say that the violent passages in the OT relate to particular wars and conflicts. There is no commandment to fight unbelievers forever as there is in Islam.
Westerners who try to draw a moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam are playing into the hands of Muslims who are only too happy to see us malign our own culture.

Anonymous said...

I have no time for any religion. All are man made.

Anonymous said...

Human rights and Christianity are compatible - human rights and Islam are not.

How many people are killed for becoming an apostate of Christianity?

SAVANT said...

I agree with all of these comments. Clearly the NT has a wholly different message to the OT. But we're told the bible is 'the word of God' - so did God change His mind?

I stick with my position - the Church(es) were forced by the Enlightenment to cede power over such issues. Islam isn't even close to that stage yet.

Anonymous said...

The Old Testament is a closed book as far as Christians are concerned. The New Testament takes precedence over the OLD.

Anonymous said...

I'll have two dollars worth of God please. Don't include the nasty ones--you know, sin, laws, clerics etc Just put in the soft center ones like getting Christian cultural retards to oust the mohammedan blackamoors from the emerald isle because you're too stupid or pissed to get off your fat bums and do it yourselves.

Whatever you do bucko, don't read the Book of Revelation. And thats in the near future. Your irritations at ancient Levitical absolutes will pale at what's on the menu there.

SAVANT said...

"The Old Testament is a closed book as far as Christians are concerned. The New Testament takes precedence over the OLD."

OK, but why have it in the catalogue at all then? Why not just get rid of it like we got rid of limbo?

Anonymous said...

You fool! If you read Revelations WITH AN OPEN MIND you'll see what's in store for us all.

Anonymous said...

Seems little different to Quoran, to me. Just that most Jews and Christians have given over this kind of thing.

Anonymous said...

Harsh, Savant? Yes. But if a bunch of us were thrown out together to survive in the wilderness against hostile tribes of kaffirs, we'd be hard-pressed to come up with a code half as enlightened.

Johan Potgieter

SAVANT said...

Fair point Johan P. Certainly better than the Jews amd Muslims' 'holy' books.

My point in the whole series tho is that we may need Christianity to give us back some form of cummunal identity to stop the Islamisisation of the West

Anonymous said...

Savant said

*My point in the whole series tho is that we may need Christianity to give us back some form of cummunal identity to stop the Islamisisation of the West.*

I am not sure you are saying this would be its sole reason for existing in future, or reason for allowing it to exist, but is this not a bit like giving up growing tomatoes as food but keeping up their cultivation because they are fine for throwing at politicians?

The need for Christianity, so to speak, has always been a spiritual one and will continue to be its reason for success. Any political value to it is icing on the cake.


SAVANT said...

leadbp: Seeing the back of religious Christianity to me is a great thing. If you want spirituality, do it in your (one's) own home.

The only use I see for it now is, as I said, as a reinforcement of communal unity and a bulwark against Islam, as the Church defebnds its market share.

Mary said...

I think you fellows are selling Christianity well short. I am very new to this site, I absolutely love it, but am a bit saddened to see you are not a Catholic Mr. Sexy Savant!

I am going to contribute more on this in the coming months.



SAVANT said...

Mary, it's hard to be as sexy as me and remain a Catholic!